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Arwon
Posts: 227/631
A compliated system of chains, straps and pulleys.
Billiards Koopa
Posts: 12/174
Corruption, Greed, and people who hate David Letterman.
Crayola
Posts: 29/94
greed,ignorance,and cowardice.Those I believe hold us back greatly.
PeteWentzxFanaticx
Posts: 11/11
Originally posted by mattp
I think idiots are holding america back.


i agree 100%
mattp
Posts: 135/174

Corporation lobbies to presidents and congress men and women and forces their hands to make decisions that benefit corporations instead of society.

Why not take away the power of the government to make decisions to benefit corporations? Once government decides to fuck with business, business will fuck with government.


This is why large scale farms throw away tons of grain every year, because it keeps grain prices high, where they very easily could ship that grain to Africa and help fight the horrific poverty and starvation that plagues that continent.

The US Government throws the grain away, and also we DO ship a lot of grain out for free.
Young Guru
Posts: 86/279
What's holding back the USA is corporation. They control basically every aspect of US society and as far as corporation has shown, it is corrupt. Corporation lobbies to presidents and congress men and women and forces their hands to make decisions that benefit corporations instead of society. Corporations are run on one mantra, and one mantra alone, make money, no matter what must be done. This is why large scale farms throw away tons of grain every year, because it keeps grain prices high, where they very easily could ship that grain to Africa and help fight the horrific poverty and starvation that plagues that continent. The USA needs to start policies to help the poor countries of the world, because it is moraly correct and also because it will benefit all the people of the world, even the wealthy corporations of the US.

On a slight side note, liberal laws are not always against Christianity. Liberal laws are what created welfare and other such social service programs. As far as I've learned from being a Catholic for the past 20 years, helping the poor is one of the greatest tenets of Chrisitanity. Liberals are the ones who fight agaisnt the dealth penalty and for socialized health care so that everyone can have hospital visits when they need them. Sorry, just a little rant I needed to get off from constantly hearing how liberals are so anti-religion.
mattp
Posts: 132/174
I think idiots are holding america back.
PeteWentzxFanaticx
Posts: 10/11
eh. i think its bush's fault why we are in this mess. heh my grandfathers nurse said she thinks bush is the new anti-christ. which i wouldn't be surprised. how did we go from looking for osama bin laden to war with iraq? meh. there was NO POINT of war with iraq!! maybe bush just did that on purpose so when he raised the gas prices and shizz that he can collect some money to get us out of debt. which of course will never happen cuz were something trillion in debt. thats alot. the gas prices are effing retarded dude. people were stupid to re-elect bush.. and people are like "omg i hate him as a president" and for you bush voters... WHY THE FCUK DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?!?!!?!. people in this world are freakin retarted these days.... ugh. like everything is fcuked up. even teh education part of america is retarted.. in my school we must have about 5-10 teachers that cant teach to save their lives. heh i dont blame the other countries for hating us. i would to. religion i dont really care about because im not into that religious stuff. i just slip in a prayer every once in awhile if i have a good reason. also, heres my example of fcuked up(even tho this is totally off topic); my boyfriend dumping me on easter for another girl!!! thats effed up!!! eh sorry i still have issues about that. but yeah bush is effed up and so are teh people that listen to him.. why dont we just get him impeached. cant we do that?? everyone knows he sucks ass and is doing shit to our government.. i mean come on.
Crayola
Posts: 24/94
Blue laws are a fine example wrote a little about them earlier but do a Google search to get better info.
Here is what wikapedia said about them:
A blue law, in the United States and Canada, is a type of law restricting certain activities, particularly shopping hours on Sunday, which had its roots in accommodating Christian Sunday worship, although it persists to this day more as a matter of tradition. The term blue law may have been first used by Reverend Samuel Peters in his book General History of Connecticut, which was first published in 1781, to refer to various laws first enacted by Puritan colonies in the 17th century which prohibited the selling of certain types of merchandise and retail or business activity of any kind on certain days of the week (usually Sunday). In Texas, for example, blue laws prohibited selling house wares such as pots, pans, and washing machines on Sunday until 1985; Texas as well as Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Minnesota car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. Many U.S. states still prohibit selling alcohol on Sunday, or at least before noon on Sunday. Many unusual features of American culture — such as the fact that one can buy groceries, office supplies, and house wares from a drug store — are the result of blue laws, as drug stores were generally allowed to remain open on Sunday to accommodate emergency medical needs. The ubiquitous "weekend" is also a result of blue laws, although it is practiced nearly worldwide, except in some Islamic countries who have their weekend on Thursday and Friday.

but other laws stemming from religion are less noticeable because they aren’t based on religion but rather based on the customs/morals that stem from religion .that’s why I want the government to rely on logic ,because true logic is in no form biased whereas customs and morals are. Customs and morals may frown on something even if there is no logical reason to do so, understand now?

And as an update to my original list:
I do not trust churches because of their septitude for corruption ,the church is run by man and man is a sinner. Evil begets evil and so on and so forth, read the bible it’s not corrupted as far as I know.

Arwon
Posts: 160/631
Laws come from religion?

Prove it.
Crayola
Posts: 23/94
On the issue of religion the thing that "holds us back" is that our laws are mostly derived from Christianity since that’s the biggest religion in America at this point. Why do you think there are many different places all with different laws? If there was one unified religion then most likely we would have similar laws. The laws are based on religion whether we like it or not, religion is where our customs and our morals came from. The government should be based on logic not religion not saying we should take religious politicians out of office but rather pressure them to base decisions on logic instead of morals, customs, or religious belief.
And about the anti-Christ coming back there is nothing to do to prevent this so there is no need in trying .
Deleted User
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Yeah that's one thing I must do, and I believe God wants that too. Basically I'm cool with anybody's believing something, and heck yeah sure I'll talk to them about my religion, but if they don't want me too I'll simply shut-up; otherwise it's foolish and really wrong to try to force religion on someone, God even doesn't want it forced on people, God wants all to have free will, but not to force upon others. That is why you got some people (Even on this board) thinking the christian world is almost trying to be a dictatorship; I hate it when someone claims Christ in his life, yet he preaches at people on the street in a negative manner telling them their going to hell, when instead we should be kind to them, and tell them things about the light, but then again their are so many different kinds of Christian religions, that we even bicker at each other. But thanks for saying that Jomb, I appreciate it. I like discussing in peace.
Jomb
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Actually Skyon, I find you to be one of the least preachy Christians I've ever met, you actually do seem to be respectable to others beliefs.
Deleted User
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Originally posted by Jomb
But you are a Christian right? So you'd be saved, especially if your god has any compassion on a true believer at all. But seeing as how its all already worked out and predestined then its just going to happen one way or the other and there is nothing you can do about it, thus no point in worrying about it.
I don't believe in prophecy or an all-powerful god, so i'm not so much worried about the rapture coming. Massive natural disasters on the other hand...
But if i were a believer, i would not be worried in the slightest about any of this, because however things are, they are that way because God made them that way and has all this in the master plan. An all-knowing God made you knowing all the choices you'd make, so why make someone just to send them to hell?


Yeah I shouldn't totally worry, but I'm just not living the best christian life right now, and some of it is sin (My belief). You're right if one believes something will come to pass, it'll happen and that one should shut-up and just let it be. I just freak out because I don't want it to be soon, that's the point of what I meant, sorry I didn't clarify. But I'm all around respectable to other people's beiefs, I don't preach at them, but I talk to them, unless they don't want me too . Didn't mean to trail off subject just replying is all.
Jomb
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But you are a Christian right? So you'd be saved, especially if your god has any compassion on a true believer at all. But seeing as how its all already worked out and predestined then its just going to happen one way or the other and there is nothing you can do about it, thus no point in worrying about it.
I don't believe in prophecy or an all-powerful god, so i'm not so much worried about the rapture coming. Massive natural disasters on the other hand...
But if i were a believer, i would not be worried in the slightest about any of this, because however things are, they are that way because God made them that way and has all this in the master plan. An all-knowing God made you knowing all the choices you'd make, so why make someone just to send them to hell?
Deleted User
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Sad to say, I'm not living the best christian life right now, I'm kind of in the darkness, and everything that brings the prophecy sooner just scares the crap out of me, because of what I believe. Everytime the liberal world brings in a law or an order, it goes against christian beliefs most the time, and it just means it's one step closer to the end time; I say these things not out of arrogance, but because I'm scared...
Jomb
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If America is destined to Deny Christ and all, then why would you care that the government wishes to be religion-neutral? If its going to work out that way regardless, then how is it holding us back? It would seem it would actually just be pushing your prophecy forward and accelerating your rise to heaven. no?
Deleted User
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Originally posted by Crayola
Ok there are three main things that I think hold back further improvement of the usa or the world in general.Pleese keep in mind that I have formed only opinions so far and not full blown belief in what im about to list,I just wanna here your opinions and or other things you guys might consider harmfull to americas growth (not talking about population but intellectually,financially,and freedoms in general)

1:religion:dont get me wrong religion is good and blah blah blah,but I think religion holds us back alot and I think when they say seperation of church and state that what they should have said was seperation of church and state except christianity.
reasons why I feel this way is because we have a moment of silence in class everyday,hmm that silence is supposedly to show respect for those who died in the 911 attack but what it really is,is a moment for prayer.anyways I dont pray in clase and I am forced to be silent.that is not the part that bothers me I think that they hide behind 911 as a ruse when what there really alowing time for is prayer in class,I dont care if they have prayer in class for that min but I think they should at least be honest about it and say what it really is.I know at this point most of you are like he is an atheist but this is not so If I had to pick a religion it would be christianity,I believe there is a omni-present being out there somewheres. ( and check out gods debris by the guy who draws dilbert)i loved it.there are also religious overtones all throughout the country mostly the bible belt you may have heard this term in history (blue laws)if you dont already know what they are ill explain.blue laws are basically laws based on restrictions in the bible.
most of the refer to restrictions on the day of the sabbath (sunday),there is many blue laws that restrict the sale of alcohol on sunday.

I have reached one conclusion with blue laws --its that there is a contradiction between separation of church and state ,and living in a democracy.
there is alot more I could wright about religion but i wont this post is big enough already. and I think they should keep GOD in the pledge,just sayin.and the catholic church is corrupt a s*&t how can they abolish limbo to attract more followerers aka:money ,anybody remember the Crusades I do and how indians and others were killed for not believeing the christian beliefs ,and how many states restricted other religions from entering them when america was first founded ,because of religious differences.ok ill stop now



#2:Government:no suprise here ,government is corrupt as can be almost as much as the news or the catholic church.Freedom of speech my ass .Ok I got kicked out of school for five days went to court twice and did 20hours community service cause I flipped off my principle,ok I know it wasnt the smartest thing to do but point is,is that i got in trouble for a finger ,does anyone else see how stupid that is?but i got off subject just a little what I really wanted to talk about was CORRUPTION............cough..cough...nixen...cough...bush....*
Let me be a little more to the point why would we need to go to war umm lemme see OIL!! there was 911 and I myself was all for restitution but not by killing innocent people.america is hated all over the world dont believe me learn a forign language and watch their news.the government abuses our american loyaltiy by taking our people and throwing them in a war which they dont belong over money,Im broke as I dunno what and I wouldnt risk someone elses life over it.
And at this point you would call me an anarchist but anarchy doesnt work (watch slc punks) .what I would really like to see is a reform we have kept the same basic laws for 400 years why not take a chance with something different ,with a new generation comes an accelerated need for reform because the beliefs of a new generation arnt the same as an older one .Think about the conflicts you have with your parents over difference of opinion ,what im saying is that we have a 400 year span of differences.THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS REFORM even if i have to be a dirty politician to reform it i will.

#3-human nature in itself holds us back I think we should all take a position as a Stoic or a Taoist ,ever seen a riot its a pretty nasty thing point is there isnt enough reason in this world today.Common sense-I hate this term the name itself makes me think about Conformity.I act of my own freewill I place no restrictions on myself and by doing that place no limits on achevements ,goals.exc..they say a man responds better in the job below the one he is qualified for because he feels limited and that he cant improve any further so there is notthing to work towards.It would be like winning the lottery and getting everything you could ever imagine what next,what could you offer a man that owns the world?what would improve his day?notthing point is ,is that he is restricted by his money in the amount of happiness he can have.I have personally never experience love itself by which im mean loving another person besides family any friends.I have made love but it was not anything near the deffinition of love since I met the chick like 3mins before it happened.me being a sceptic (because i was brought up around lies ,damn santa clause) I do not believe that love exists I have never felt it .but then youd say something like you cant touch air but its there.bulls*%t I have come to two conclusions love is either non-existant or over exadurated.but back to the main topic how does this hold us back?we spend the betterpart of our life looking for love (still am its like bigfoot to me) what could we have acomplished in the time it takes to comb our hair are wax our backs,could have cured cancer or aids by now(which im pretty sure the government has the cures to they make to mush money$$ from it to want to cure it)I have resolved to stop searching for love and let it find me (if it exists) that seems like the best solution,



Oh there is so much more I could wirght but ill wait for your responses to add them sorry in advance for the crude examples and bad spelling and ghrammer(i think i misspelled it ) but I apologize for nothing I said these are my opinions and I wouldnt ask for an apologie for anyone if they dissagreed or thought different than me,thats what makes america great differences.




On the religious section, It's not that religion holds america back, but instead it's only a matter of time before the government will overthrow religion to the point(I believe) of where the government will view christianity as a witchcraft, which witchcraft is illegal at least where I come from, because they will look at christianity as an illogical opinion of church leaders; that spirituality is not going to be "true". This all occur when (I believe) the antichrist comes, and claims he is the Messiah, and that he will save all people from the war, and there will be a "peace"; and yeah, there actually will be peace for a short time, and at this time anyone who was not saved through Jesus Christ will be left behind on earth, yet they will still have a chance to be saved during this time of trial and tribulation; that is why the liberal world scares me they always are against religious views or morals, because it digs deeper into this prophecy found in the book of 1st and 2nd Thessolonians and Revealations in the Bible and others too, but I don't remember. America will ultimately deny Christ; even being the religion that was originally founded this country. When this happens the "antichrist" will come then he will pass a law for everyone to bear a mark on their right hand or forehead, there have been signs already of the mark coming to pass, scientists have found a way to use microchips as a way to pass currancy; my opinion is it will be a microchip inserted into your right hand, but then again it's just a theory of what the mark will be. The mark hinders you and denies you to ever have a chance to see heaven, and being automatcally doomed for hell; during this time there will be "outlaws" that are christians, because they will not take the mark and they won't be allowed to buy or sell, but also will be prosecuted, and they will be viewed as haters (kind of like they're looked at now). Yes, you guessed it I'm christian, and this is a christian idea of how it does not hold America back, because sooner or later like I said there will be a law for no christianity, but that may be decades away, some people say only years, but I still think it's decades. But remember it's just a christion opinion, I'm not slamming anyone here...
Rom Manic
Posts: 99/557
Originally posted by Wurl
What do you consider biased? Maybe this is just me, but I support or don't support a politician on his/her actions and philosophies. And isn't favoring an ideology biased then? And if so, what's un biased? Agreeing half-half?


An unbiased politician couldn't exist. A politician belongs to a party because that is where the majority, if not all, his morals and virtues reflect him the best. If a politician were to become unbiased, they would have to strip themselves of any values, and look at eah side of any decision based purely on fact, and what is more beneficial in the end.

....Ok, maybe not PURELY on fact, but personal values would play a very small role in that.
Crayola
Posts: 22/94
Man I really need to edit my first post, that’s all that needs to be said but I haven’t got the time now. Maybe I ought to write a new "what is holding America back”
I think I will but right now I am too busy but i think I made a lot of good points but just didn’t express them clearly enough.
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