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Tanks
Posts: 534/596		 I beleive their is that event where you fight for the GC trophy. I'm pretty sure it can be acessed through an action replay. I remember soley buying one just so I could play the coffee shop test stage.
Lakithunder
Posts: 1274/1284		 Melee? No, there is not. Unless it's some universal secret, than I believe one does not exist.

HOWEVER!!! Luigi's "Break the Target" mission has you start off on a small Gamecube. I believe that's as close as it gets.
yoshi's friend
Posts: 41/56		 I want to know is there a stage in ssbm that you fight on top of the game cube,if there is how do you get,if there's not sorry for wasting your time.
Alastor
Posts: 8118/8204		 Mike Damiani, alias TSA, is a pretty well-known liar in the Zelda community... While he has done things like beat Ocarina of Time in less than five hours, he has also done things like totally lie about all sorts of meaningless things, such as saying that he recieved his copy of Twilight Princess at the same time as the press (He did get it early, but nowhere near that early), which is really just the most recent case I know of.

The 'cheat' part was really just a dramatization, though it's not technically untrue as he has made many a tool-assisted speedrun.
roadsarepoison
Posts: 32/34
Originally posted by Alastor
Also he's a liar and a cheat.


How is that? Did I miss something?
Alastor
Posts: 8114/8204		 Also he's a liar and a cheat.
Ziff
Posts: 1654/1800
Originally posted by sliafdnacinoS
I'm so glad I haven't had to GANNON-BAN any posts yet

Wouldn't that just be a vertkill (spike in air) Alastor?



The guy that made that Gannon-Ban website is a lonely, lonely human.
Alastor
Posts: 8113/8204		 Yeah, that sounds accurate...
roadsarepoison
Posts: 31/34		 No, alastor is talking about when you press down or back to let go of a ledge, then immediately jump up back to the ledge, attacking if you want to. It doesn't work too well with Ness/Peach/Yoshi/Mewtwo.
I think it's called ledge-hopping, but I'm not entirely sure. Does that term sound familiar at all?
Sonicandfails
Posts: 863/917		 I'm so glad I haven't had to GANNON-BAN any posts yet

Wouldn't that just be a vertkill (spike in air) Alastor?
Alastor
Posts: 8084/8204
Originally posted by Clockworkz
Ganondorf's Up Tilt is good for Edgeguarding
No, Ganondorf's Up Tilt is good for making the opponent fast fall and grab the edge, wait for the tilt to whiff, and then quickly drop, jump, and attack into their open body.

There's a term for that, I just don't remember it.
Clockworkz
Posts: 956/984		 Ganondorf's Up Tilt is good for Edgeguarding
That's about it though. Or if someone's shield got busted.

And roads; I know what L Canceling is. I'm a damn good player. But my friend competes in local tournaments.
So fighting him is essentially a wasted effort.

And Pichu = Down Smash. The angle at a high percent is deadly.
Alastor
Posts: 8081/8204		 Ganondorf's tilt up is much worse than them. At least you can randomly catch someone off guard with a half-charged flare blade or warlock punch; tilt up is utterly worthless and can only be done from a stationary position. I mean, sure, they're not very good or anything, but tilt up A is much worse.

Also, a few days ago I fought someone who attempted to block the Shield Breaker.

It didn't go very well for him.

(Also, to anyone wondering why I was using the Shield Breaker in the first place: It wasn't a particularly serious match, and I really wasn't expecting to hit anything, let alone hit someone who had their guard up with it fully charged.)
Lakithunder
Posts: 1228/1284
Originally posted by Alastor
And for the record, Fire Bird is fantastically easy to see coming, especially when used twice or more in a row. I mean, just run up and hit him out of it; it's not hard.
While we're on the subject, am I the only one that thinks Ganonclone's Warlock Punch and Roy's Flaming Sword (whatever, the B attack) are unusable unless you are playing either a noob or a group of people distracted from me due to a fistfight so that I can pwn them? I mean, those have to be the most dodgeable attacks in the game.
Alastor
Posts: 8080/8204
Originally posted by Tanks
I just had a big tournament with my friends on friday night. NO SLEEP WHAT SO EVER. All night was ssbm and I was always young link. I came out on top in the end but I nearly died fighting my friend who was Falco at the time. He always used his Up B move continuosly, to the point where he got the title of "Dick of the night". He claims that it's not cheap because I always use my Down A move. Now I know I wasn't using my Down-A move all the time (I made sure to throw in a variety of attacks) but he still claimed he had the right to continuously pound me with fire bird to the point where I'm up to 400% (amazing I could hold out for so long like that). Now what do guys think does my friend deserve the title "dick of the night" or not?
Rather than water down the excellent point, I shall merely recite the words once stated by a greater man than I.
Originally posted by David Sirlin
Doing one move or sequence over and over and over is another great way to get called cheap. This goes right to the heart of the matter: why can the scrub not defeat something so obvious and telegraphed as a single move done over and over? Is he such a poor player that he can’t counter that move? And if the move is, for whatever reason, extremely difficult to counter, then wouldn’t I be a fool for not using that move? The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing.
And for the record, Fire Bird is fantastically easy to see coming, especially when used twice or more in a row. I mean, just run up and hit him out of it; it's not hard.
Lakithunder
Posts: 1227/1284		 Exactly! You forgot to mention that Pichu hurts itself with every electrical attack, therefore it could possibly be the worst (at least one of the worse) characters in the game. Pichu may be smaller, but Pikachu is still small enough to evade effectively.

(Note I don't care to play as either, I was just curious)
roadsarepoison
Posts: 28/34
Originally posted by Lakithunder
Can someone (Alastor) please explain to me why Pichu is "better" than Pikachu. Some people at my school's video game club told me Pichu was better. I doubt that really, but maybe I'm wrong.




It's quite simple. Those people are lying to you. Pichu has a few small advantages over pikachu in some regards, but as a whole, Pikachu is way better.

Pichu's advantages:
-Small size
-Better Downsmash
-More powerful forward smash (if you hit properly)

other than that pikachu beats him at just about everything.
Lakithunder
Posts: 1226/1284		 Can someone (Alastor) please explain to me why Pichu is "better" than Pikachu. Some people at my school's video game club told me Pichu was better. I doubt that really, but maybe I'm wrong.

roadsarepoison
Posts: 27/34
Originally posted by Clockworkz
Marth is one of those characters I see someone playing as, and I just go, "Ah, shit."
I don't normally use him. I just don't like him. I'll take Dr. Mario, Ganondorf, DK, or Samus before I choose Marth. I just.... Don't like him

Alastor, perhaps you can help me. My friend is pretty fucking good at this game. No mater who I am, when he plays as Dr. Mario, he gets me off to the edge at around 20%, back throws me off the stage, then uses two back arial a's in a row without enough breathing room to air dodge, knocking me back so far that I can't possibly recover most of the time, and I die. Exceptions are with DK (sometimes), Ness (sometimes), Samus and Link. He recovers flawlessly everytime.
What can I do to counter this dick move combo?


Using DI against Doc's throw is a very good way to not getting killed by it. It has a huge effect, and I'm glad you know what DI is so I don't have to explain it. You can also try:
-Using DI against his back air
-When you get knocked off, you don't have to start going towards the stage ASAP. Being unpredictable is incredibly important, so try dropping down farther than him and then jumping back up (but switch around how far down you drop before jumping so he won't be able to predict what to do). It works a lot better with certain characters like Link or Peach that have harder to counter up-b's. Not as much for Falco or captain falcon.
-If you play as Peach/Jigglypuff/Samus, if you DI up from his back throw, you can usually get back on the stage from high up, before he can even get up to reach you.
-If you are Fox/Falco, consider playing as someone else . Doc's back air and cape are pretty ridiculous against them when edgeguarding.
Try learning how to L cancel.

Tanks: Using a move over and over again is generally seen as a poor strategy, since it makes you very predictable and therefore easier to deal with. Young Link doesn't really have anything great to use against falco, he's more of a long range attacker, which Falco nullifies with his reflector. Try link or marth, you can hit him with a big sword.
Ailure
Posts: 2438/2602		 You people remind me how much my SSBM skills have detoriated. It's probably been two years since I played the game seriously. Part of the problem is that playing against CPU opponents got old, and finding willing humans around... at your skill levels was hard (most people I played against that weren't my sister kinda sucked at the game). The automatic handicap setting evened out the skill level somewhat, but still.
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