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| ||bass Posts: 155/594 |
Don't lie, you do it worse then Clinton. Anyone with half a brain can see that of the several possible reasons to close this thread, wurl was not one of them.
PS: Get off your high horse before you end up falling. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ziff Posts: 555/1800 |
||bass, I didn't close it due to your sentiments, nor geeogree's. I closed it because of the over-reaction of Wurl.
However, you've shown yourself to be supremely immature, I'm going to ask you to refrain from editorial commentary on my choices as a moderator. In addition to that your statements about me are quite unfair and furthermore I'll be further asking you to refrain from posting within this forum. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||bass Posts: 154/594 |
From what I've been able to tell, by your standards, "ugly" is any thread that isn't one big liberal circle jerk with everyone agreeing with each other about how socialism is the only way and how we should all live in a welfare state and then everyone congratulates themselves on being such wonderful people.
God forbid anyone even question the one and only "true path" of the extreme left. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ziff Posts: 553/1800 |
Y'know what? This thread is ugly and getting closed. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||bass Posts: 153/594 |
Originally posted by WurlHave fun and don't let the door hit 'ya where the good lord split 'ya. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wurl Posts: 384/842 |
Y'know what? Fuck this. I'm moving to not-America. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||bass Posts: 152/594 |
I propose a national sales tax of 24% with the abolition of virtually all other taxes. With the stipulation that the sales tax on food and "esentials" like soap, toilet paper, etc refundable to the end consumer.
This would provide a number of advantages. It's no wonder that they call this system FairTax. windwaker |
Posts: 34/235 Originally posted by neotransotaku Is it fair that the working poor remain poor... hm, working poor staying poor fai-- FAIRNESS AND EQUALITY IS COMMUNISM MAN. Seriously, if life was fair we all might be happy and not just some of us. Do you really want that? neotransotaku |
Posts: 690/1860 ||bass and a few others are advocating trickle-down economics, and higher taxation is advocating trickle-up economics (or some form of that), is there an economic theory that is a mixture of the two?
| the government can't make people spend money, so income taxation is the only way to do so, right? one thing bothers me is, if "rich people with empires built on the backs of the poor working class," provide jobs...is it fair for those in the poor working class to always remain in the poor working class? ack...it is soooo complicated windwaker |
Posts: 31/235 Dear ||bass and geeogree (if you reallyare different people),
| Read the thread. You are incorrect. Thanks, windwaker Rydain |
Posts: 203/633 I should have done this earlier.
| *Rydain whips out a STOP sign on a stick and a giant whistle FEW-WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! *Rydain chucks a bottle labeled CHILL PILLS into the thread Dear everyone: Please present evidence and explain viewpoints instead of insulting those who you disagree with. If you would like to convince people that your opinion makes the most sense, sniping at them is not going to help at all. I would like to see a good exchange of different schools of thought on economics and government services, not a pointless snipefest, so let's keep it civil from here on out. ||bass |
Posts: 151/594 Originally posted by WurlLogic tends to do that to the frail liberal mind.Originally posted by geeogreeHa. My head just imploded. Wurl |
Posts: 379/842 Originally posted by geeogree Ha. My head just imploded. windwaker |
Posts: 30/235 Originally posted by geeogree No; if these corporate empires don't pay living wages, then they will starve or do something illegal to make money. The government prevents that with welfare (although the corporations should be paying living wages). Have you ever known someone on welfare? Do you know what welfare is? It's not a handout. You know what is a handout? Rich assholes who take care of snotty kids like you. Rydain |
Posts: 202/633 Originally posted by geeogree Wait a sec. Do you really mean to say that the US government does not provide jobs? Last I checked, millions of people are employed by federal, state, and local government. Furthermore, not all businesses are empires run by the rich. According to 2001 tax statistics, 1.4 percent of small business owners with positive business income were taxed at the highest rate of 39.6 percent, and 2.3 percent were in the 36 percent bracket. Thus, increased taxes for the "rich" brackets would not affect the vast majority of small businesses in a negative way. (And I don't understand how they would affect the large "empire" companies, either, because I'd think that said companies would pay corporate tax on their revenue, which is a separate issue from the owner's income tax.) neotransotaku |
Posts: 681/1860 if the rich spend money that will find its way down to the poor, then tax cuts are good. but if the rich spend money that remain within the rich (or do not spend at all), then why shouldn't the rich be taxed more?
| anyways, raising or cutting taxes aren't the solution to the rich-poor gap, the solution is wiser spending and fixing corruption--since money is overspent in certain places and not spent enough in others and people taking advantage of the government for services they should not be entitled to geeogree |
Posts: 72/207 poor people don't need handouts they need opportunities...
| and who gives them chances to work? not the government.... not welfare.... rich people with empires built on the backs of the poor working class, that's where jobs come from. You guys want to tax the rich more? Go ahead and tax the rich more. Then there will be MORE job losses and fewer benefits on the job and life will get WORSE for the poor, not better. You guys think ||bass is backwards on this.... but he's got it figured out better than the rest of you do Arwon |
Posts: 99/631 Originally posted by ||bass FEMA's not a charity organistion. It's job is Emergency Management. That's what their charter says. They fucking sucked at it, to the extend that they basically killed people by taking so long to get resources (primarily, given the absense of the LA National Guard, the Army and out of state Guard units) in there to restore order, establish rationing and shelter and evacuation etc. Once it was clear that there was a potentially deadly lack of authority and coordination on the ground after the hurricane hit and the flood waters rose, it was FEMA's job to get someone in there as a stop-gap measure while it organised the broader relief effort. But yeah, that's more to do with the incompetent political appointees and the failure of anyone in any position power to actually comprehend how bad Katrina was going to be (despite the models) until it was too late, despite all the warnings. As for the rest of the argument, uh, asserting baseless libertarian articles of faith as "facts of life" is an incredibly inneffective argument technique. Especially when you're speaking from the worst wealthy country in which to be poor in, and arguing for even less help for them. Gavin |
Posts: 112/181 Originally posted by Randy53215 Thanks, I'm glad you said that. Beacause now I know for sure that he was wrong. Tommathy |
Posts: 114/339 What falls under the category of "mantaining order" in terms of your ideal government's responsibilities, ||bass? | This is a long thread. Click here to view it. | | ||||||||
