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| netscape Posts: 71/90 |
I'd say dishwasher as paper plates cost more money it seems. |
| Ruby Weapon 7 Posts: 10/13 |
Since I already do this, I would so pick constantly running the dishwasher because I am too lazy to keep buying paper plates over and over again plus having the same dishware would also save money in the long run. |
| Ziff Posts: 495/1800 |
OR USE A SINK AND YOUR OWN HANDS!
A dishwasher is completely and utterly pointless! Yeesh. edited to add: I'm simply making the above post more concise for the lesser members of Acmlm. |
| emcee Posts: 174/867 |
Now to way over analyze this:
An 8 place setting dishwasher from Wal-Mart will run you $298.77 According to this site the average life expectancy of a dishwasher is 10 years. So it will cost about 8 cents a day. Since its a 8 place unit an averaged sized family of 4 would need to run it an average of 1.5 times a day (washing their cups, silverware and bowls at the same time). A set of ten plates (extras since several will likely break over 10 years) will run you maybe 20 bucks. Or about 1/2 a cent a day over 10 years. According to this site a dishwasher uses about 700 watts for washing and 1400 for drying. So if you figure the first hour of running is washing and the last 30 minutes is drying it will cost you about 10 cents per load, or 15 cents a day at 7 cents per kwh. Alot of cities, like mine, charge a flat rate for residental sewer and water (in which case it wouldn't count since you need it anyway reguardless of washing dishes). If you live in the country, your cost would be for the electricity to pump up the water (the cost of the pump doesn't count, since you need it anyway). Looking around I found the average price of water to be about a dollar for 500 gallons. A dishwasher uses about 10 gallons of water per load, so if you pay for water it would cost another 2 cent a load, or 3 cents a day. Then there's the price of the detergent. You can get a 20 load box for about 3 bucks. So that's about 22 and a half cents a day. So total that's: 8+.5+15+3+22.5=49 cents a day. Paper plates is alot easier to figure out. They're about 4 bucks for a 100 pack, or 4 cents a piece, so for 3 meals for 4 people would be 48 cents a day, just a little less than reusable plates. But you still need to wash the rest of your dishes, or buy all disposible dishes, with figuring the cost of reusuable dishes, that includes the cost of washing your other dishes too (but not the cost of buying them). Also your cost of washing dishes would be much less if you hand wash, since you the soap is cheaper, it would use less water, and of course less electricity. So your cost of using reusable dishware would be a little less overall. I also believe it would be much better for the environment, but I don't feel like doing all the math and research behind that. |
| Ziff Posts: 494/1800 |
Originally posted by 182077607309.34 I went to my local grocery store (mind you, I live in big expensive city) it was 5-10 dollars for 120-150 plates. The 5 dollar plates were about the size of my fist, compared to the 10 dollar full size plates. I COULD go to China Town or something and get them for cheaper, but again...The long run states that dishware will be cheaper. |
| Snow Tomato Posts: 216/798 |
I assumed it was just disposable dishware vs. non-disposable. Mr. technical.
And no, I never used any other username. |
| 182077607309.34 + Posts: 113/218 |
I can buy 240 paper plates for $2 though, so I’d spend around $120 in five years… I think his logic of $10 a month is flawed. |
| Koneko Posts: 207/656 |
Originally posted by Kutske... Dude. He was arguing AGAINST paper plates. According to him, paper plates cost roughly $600 over five years. If he had said "a dollar" instead of "less than a dollar," then the total cost for five years of washing dishware would be about $260. And he said less than. Ergo, he argues for dishware. Also...Originally posted by Zamboni Name ChangerAhh, but paper plates can't be used for all the same things that dishware can, like my earlier example of pasta, or how about meat and potatoes smothered in gravy. Things like that would soak straight through. Originally posted by Zamboni Name ChangerEmphasis mine, of course. I believe you fail. Oh, and dishware gets my vote as well. All my reasons have already been stated. |
| Sin Dogan Posts: 219/861 |
Dishware. You don't always need plates and you don't always need to use a dishwasher. Here at college, I just use some dishwashing soap and have my own plates to use. Even though I wash them everytime I use them, it is far less than the amount of times I would throw out paper plates after one use. Also, the soap and dishes are free. Just picked them up from home. Another thing is that often times I find myself not needing any dishes at all while eating. |
| Ziff Posts: 485/1800 |
Bleech is required to make paper white.
The processing chemicals in paper pulping are ridiculous.  |
| neotransotaku Posts: 588/1860 |
Originally posted by Kutskealright, I'll stand corrected on my definition of renewable resource--consuming resources at a rate lower than being consumed. But one thing caught my eye Originally posted by Wikipedia on Renewable ResourcesMay include--which means there is inconclusive evidience that states that wood is a renewable resource. Trees can be regrown but it takes quite a long time to regrow a tree ready for harvesting. Most likely the shift towards paper plates will accellerate deforestation more than it already is happening now. |
| Kutske Posts: 138/171 |
Wurl: Dude, just buy a couple of bowls. They're easier to wash and more versatile. Nothing like a good ol' fashioned steak dinner served in a bowl. Scatterheart: I'd say that dish washers might occupy about a quarter of all households. The choice is definately "Dishware" for me. I've heard of alot of negative feedback from dishwashers lately...mainly consisting of the dishwasher not cleaning the dishes properly. But good old-fashioned cleaning-the-dishes-via-the-sink-and-detergent (IMO) far outweigh the benefits of constantly using paper plates. I just used the dishwasher as an example, washing the dishes by hand still costs money, what with the detergent and running water. Zamboni Name Changer: So basically, three meals a day minimum multiplied by 7. So, let's say 5 plates a day. So that's 35 plates a week, minimums, again. So, once a month you have to replace these plates (if you're using them only for yourself). So, that's 10 dollars a month, or 120 dollars a year. Now, spread that out over 5 years. For 25 to 30 dollars you can get enough plateware and silverware for 4 people from a Goodwill. Now, when you take that initial investment you've already spent two months worth. Now, the total cost of running water into a sink two or three times a week is probably less than a dollar. Ahh, but paper plates can't be used for all the same things that dishware can, like my earlier example of pasta, or how about meat and potatoes smothered in gravy. Things like that would soak straight through. neotransotaku: Paper/Cardboard + oil from food == unusable paper You misread, or perhaps you don't understand the term "renewable resource." That doesn't mean you recycle the paper plates, it means that paper can be generated infinitely. Coal and oil, for example, only exist in limited numbers on this or any planet, they can't be generated. Paper can be generated, however, because trees can be grown as much as needed, not to mention that many other forms of paper as well as forms of wood (cardboard boxes and tubes, old furniture, etc.) are recycled and can mix with the freshly-harvested wood in order to make more paper. Zamboni Name Changer: Ummm...Paper plates are REALLY bad for the environment, mostly because of the dyes that they use and the packaging that they are put into. I never noticed that part of Kutske's post. I don't mean to be annoying, but I'd like to see some resources before claims of that severity are made. Snow Tomato: Especially if the paper plates are made from styrofoam, which alot of them are. If the paper plates were made from styrofoam, then you wouldn't call them paper plates, now would you? You'd call them styrofoam plates. For the purposes of this topic, we're talking about paper plates, not styrofoam. By the way, did you use a different username on the old Acmlmboard, or are you a new user? |
| Koitenshin +∞ Posts: 381/873 |
Well since my water bill is part of my rent who gives a rats ass? I'll take the actual plates. Real men know how to take care of things when a woman is not around. |
| Tommathy Posts: 98/339 |
Dishwashers are disgustingly inefficient, energy-wise.
And there's a certain tranquility to be found in washing the plates after dinner and putting them away before bed. |
| NSNick Posts: 437/2228 |
Whatever you do, don't get styrofoam plates. You can't microwave them, and you can't cut things well on them. All in all crappy plates. |
| Snow Tomato Posts: 211/798 |
Originally posted by Zamboni Ice Cleaner Damn. He stole my point about paper plates being terrible for the environment.  ! Especially if the paper plates are made from styrofoam, which alot of them are.
So I say, dishware would be better. It's also cheaper to. It's like what, 5 bucks for dishwashing detergent? It usually lasts for about a month or so. And if you eat three meals a day, plus drinks and plastic forks and knives... that's going to add up to alot of money. |
| Ziff Posts: 479/1800 |
Ummm...Paper plates are REALLY bad for the environment, mostly because of the dyes that they use and the packaging that they are put into. I never noticed that part of Kutske's post.
Water treatment from dishwashers, etc. when it's not industrial (like big restraunts which use harsh chemicals on plates) is pretty simple. It's more ecologically feasible to use the regular dishware. Plus, as I mentioned, cheaper. |
| neotransotaku Posts: 572/1860 |
Originally posted by Kutske Paper/Cardboard + oil from food == unusable paper Most electricity is actually generated from natural gas and coal, at least in the US. There are also nuclear alternatives to generate electricity (but I won't get into that). There is a shift towards water, solar, and wind generation of electricity as well. Less destructive to environment to generate paper? you have to cut down trees, which displaces animals, etc. For water treatment, water in a sewer system is pretty much separated from the environment until there is a breach in the system, but that doesn't happen often. Plus, water treatment does not use a lot of chemicals either according to a microbiology textbook I read. |
| Ziff Posts: 477/1800 |
So basically, three meals a day minimum multiplied by 7. So, let's say 5 plates a day. So that's 35 plates a week, minimums, again. So, once a month you have to replace these plates (if you're using them only for yourself). So, that's 10 dollars a month, or 120 dollars a year. Now, spread that out over 5 years.
For 25 to 30 dollars you can get enough plateware and silverware for 4 people from a Goodwill. Now, when you take that initial investment you've already spent two months worth. Now, the total cost of running water into a sink two or three times a week is probably less than a dollar.  |
| Scatterheart Posts: 22/144 |
I'd say that dish washers might occupy about a quarter of all households.
The choice is definately "Dishware" for me. I've heard of alot of negative feedback from dishwashers lately...mainly consisting of the dishwasher not cleaning the dishes properly. But good old-fashioned cleaning-the-dishes-via-the-sink-and-detergent (IMO) far outweigh the benefits of constantly using paper plates. Even if you have but a few dishes to wash -- All you have to do, is stick a little bit of dishwashing detergent on the sponge, and the rest is easy-as-piss! 
If you're really into paper plates...then are you into plastic cups and cuttlery? 
In my opinion (which is loosely based on my personal experience), dissposable eating utensils are just for the lazy. |
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