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| HyperHacker Posts: 939/5072 |
Originally posted by Koitenshin If you had bothered to read the post: I stated that English is complicated for people who don't speak it natively because of its differences from just about every other language on the face of the Earth. It's easy as a first language, but those who speak something else tend to get confused by the weird rules. Also my alphabet was a random idea and designed to be used with existing languages (same words, different symbols) to make it easier for foreigners to learn and computers to interpret. |
| neotransotaku Posts: 541/1860 |
Originally posted by Koitenshinthousands of years? english is a universal language on this planet since many schools in foreign countries teach english as part of the cirriculum... |
| Koitenshin +∞ Posts: 274/873 |
Originally posted by HyperHacker English has been spoken for thousands of years and is generally accepted in most of the world so if we ever do have a universal language it would probably be that. Just like how most countries accept U.S. Dollars. |
| HyperHacker Posts: 899/5072 |
I actually think English is a poor candidate for a universal language. It's so complicated for someone who doesn't speak it natively, with all its grammar rules with 18475839 exceptions and words that are spelled the same but mean different and all that junk. Unfortunately it seems the most likely choice, simply because it's the US official language. 
What I think might work best is a language that's really simple, but doesn't suck like all the really simple languages I've seen. Sure, only having 25 words is great, except that you need to use all of them 14 times to make a sentence.  I did start working on a simple alphabet that could be used with Latin-based languages, though. It's actually based on Katakana, but with really simple glyphs. You have one 'outside' shape and one 'inside' shape. Each letter is (as in Katakana) a consonant followed by a vowel (though lone consonants and vowels exist as well). The outer shape defines which consonant, and the inner shape defines which vowel. It removed 3 redundant consonants (C (S or K replaces it), X (KS), and Q (KW)) in favour of individual consonants for CH, SH and TH, and doesn't have uppercase. (IMO it's fairly pointless; sentence beginnings and proper nouns can be marked by something else, such as a vertical line before the letter.) The major advantages of this sort of system are that it shortens the number of letters per word, has a lot less glyphs to memorize, can still be typed just as the Roman alphabet would, and is easier for computers to understand (as it's more phonetic). The downside is it adds up to 132 characters (22 consonants x 6 vowels, including the no-consonant/no-vowel characters), which would require some changes to how computers store files written with it. (Unless they just use Unicode.  )
But like I said, I didn't actually finish it, and I imagine there's a lot of improvements that could be made. Basically just a random thought. (Hell, there might even be one like this I don't know of.) |
| Ailure Posts: 476/2602 |
Originally posted by HyperHackerI dunno about that, it might be more close to german. 
And also, there's already been tries to make a international language. Like Esperanto... |
| Zem Posts: 517/1097 |
Originally posted by Uncle Elmo What's that? You want to get in a duel? Because my fanny pack rules the school? Because my fanny pack is really cool? Or just because you're a fanny pack fool? |
| Uncle Elmo Posts: 97/308 |
Mate, what you Americans speak ISN'T English, it's American, there's a difference. I don't think we've ever forgiven you for inventing the word "Fanny-Pack"
So you'd LIKE to see all languages and nuances erased eh? How boring! |
| HyperHacker Posts: 856/5072 |
It's called English.  |
| Zem Posts: 423/1097 |
Originally posted by dcahrakos |
| dcahrakos Posts: 204/499 |
maybe it will be like south park...soon it will be just one language, which consists of all languages mashed together. |
| Ziff Posts: 391/1800 |
The modern super economies are going to dictate the languages - plain and simple.
But that's not applicable to this discussion |
| Kutske Posts: 102/171 |
If you don't shove a gun down the throat of every non-English speaker and force them to learn the Godlanguage, then you support terrorism. There, I said it. |
| Wurl Posts: 199/842 |
Eh, I figure America, at some point, will force everybody to speak English. So this is pretty useless. |
| Ziff Posts: 390/1800 |
Given that most translation programs are fairly shoestring and won't be used for mass consumption they don't have big budgets. Also they generally don't have the amount of people that can be assigned to a project like this at firms where they usually make translators. It's quite possible that this will work. I'm not optimistic about it, but I'd finally like to see a translator that is pretty decent that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. |
| Ailure Posts: 447/2602 |
Sorry, but it makes me keep thinking on the Hungarian-English dictionary sketch by Monthy Python... the translation won't hopefully be that bad.
Although, I suppose the language the PSP learns is good enough for "shopping" "dining" and generally surviving in a foreign country. |
| Xkeeper Posts: 956/5653 |
It's ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US all over again, but with voices this time. |
| Zem Posts: 417/1097 |
Originally posted by Imajin Also true. I'd be surprised if this works well, because the amount of flaws in both translation technology and speech-recognition technology will add up and instigate monkey madness. |
| Imajin Posts: 74/273 |
Well, even with a massive amount of work I'm dubious about a translator based on speech, simply because of the likelyhood of misinterpreting the words said... |
| Ziff Posts: 382/1800 |
It depends on how much WORK is put into the translator.
The grammar of various Western languages - Gretian, Romance, Slavic, Germanic or the "mystery languages" (hell, even the Finno-Ugraic) - are very different. I've had German translators pump out some hilarious shit when I need to get some work done. And don't even get me started on the state of most Latin translators. It's very difficult to have a machine translate into ANY language because a machine can't interpret cultural nuainces and other aspects. |
| Kutske Posts: 96/171 |
The Japanese translating is going to be horrendous, Japanese is simply too different from those other Western languages, in terms of grammar, structure and pretty much everything, to accurately be translated back and forth. You'll try to say something like, "The gas station's on the left side, down that road." And it'll translate to, "Service station of the left side, profession." (I got that from a translator.) |
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