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| Rom Manic Posts: 51/557 |
Meissner effect, perhaps? it doesn't require a ceramic disc, just a superconducting material spinning above a set of solenoids. |
| emcee Posts: 184/867 |
Originally posted by Rom Manic This is actually nothing special. You can buy a floating top that uses magnets at most novelty stores. The magnets are fairly weak, and the top will stay suspended about an inch and a half off its base as long as its spinning. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 50/557 |
I dunno about magnets. They would have to be very powerful...But that might work. There is an issue with practicality though, because everyone in the vicinity with a pacemaker will be affected and probably croak when they go near it.
Plus, metal will be hugely attracted to it, so any kind of metal not attached to something securely is gonna be attracted and attached to the magnets. |
| Clockworkz Posts: 320/984 |
In reference to the magnets idea; you'd need some sort of other force to keep them from repelling away from each other, and slinding off balence. It repels in a dome-like field. |
| The Onyx Dragoon Posts: 68/159 |
..couldn't this experiment be done with two magnets that have the same charge?
After all...doesn't "antigravity" show how objects repel rather than just "floating"? That's just my guess. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 44/557 |
Well, thanks for the correction  I didn't know Critical Mass only meant what you mentioned.
Also, I've been reading up on Podkletnov a little bit, and it seems that NASA has been trying the same thing for a while now. Unfortunately, their ceramic discs are very fragile, and are prone to breaking, especially the very large ones. Heck, even some university students have been trying out this eperiment and finding the same results. But Quartz may be a hoax. I regret to inform I haven't tried it yet, because my days off have been spent getting drunk or just completely fucked up. I think I have tomorrow off, not sure, but if I do I'm finally going to try the experiment. It's too early in the week to get messed up, anyway |
| netscape Posts: 56/90 |
Your experiment sounds cool, just be careful to keep your terms correct. Like Critical Mass for example refers to the amount of a fissionable matter needed for a self sustaining nuclear reaction. Also document everything. Keep detailed records of the parts used, their composition, mass, the temperature, the amount of power used. If the experiment is a success run it several times keeping detailed records of every possible variable you can with as accurate measurements as you can make. Then if you can think of alternate hypothesis to explain the phenomenon, and alternate experiments to test them.
If you succeed in generating antigravity, gravity shielding, or some other repulsive force. All that documentation will go along way to proving it, and if you don't you atleast get some practice with the scientific discipline to help you look for other sources. Good luck  |
| Rom Manic Posts: 26/557 |
Well, superconductors direct energy at an accelerated rate, hence "Super" conductor. Critical Mass is a term I used to describe the point where the superconductor cannot hold any more energy. When this happens, Bombardier theorizes they can direct a beam of that energy at a force of 1000 G's.
If you're unaware of how powerful this is, allow me to explain. We exist on earth at 1 G. Just one. Astronauts have been trained to take 6 or more, and even that is a strain for them. Thats 6 times the normal amount of gravity. So imagine ONE THOUSAND times the normal amount of gravity being exerted into one direction. It would most certainly pulverise anything in it's path, and possibly vaporise it into dust So, you want to know how this force will be exerted...I don't know, really, but I could try to explain. If you take Podkletnov's experiment using the meissner effect, the superconductors (The Ceramic Plate and the Solenoids) created an electromagnetic field between them, causing both negatively charged poles to repel and make the disk float and revolve at 5500 RPM's. How this can be accomplished through Bombardier's device is a little too farfetched for me, but I would imagine they would use the same principles. |
| Koneko Posts: 184/656 |
Okay. Superconductors charging energy, that's almost reasonable. But Critical Mass? I'm afraid you've lost me. Could I bother you to explain what critical mass has to do with a vaporization ray? Furthermore, how would 1000 Gs vaporize something? Gs in what direction? What would actually cause the ray to form, and how would it transmit these Gs to the target?
You know, I'm amazed by the general lack of skepticism here. And seeing as there's quite a bit of skepticism, by that I mean that there isn't enough. So I tossed in my forty cents. Go buy a soda. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 19/557 |
Cool  I didn't even know about TT Brown, but that looks really interesting. What I like about his experiment is that all of the weight is moved equally, and there is no lack of momentum. No g-forces when you turn or accelerate, etc...
Electrokinetics are widely used these days, though, to convert Electrical Energy to Mechanical Energy. Still, I think thats too complicated an apparatus for me to construct and try
Also, it seems that the recent experiment with the Meissner effect was done by a man named Eugene Podkletnov. His work was not only ridiculed, but he has reaped more pain than profit from his experiments. But it is important to note that he did not defy gravity, he simply blocked it with his experiment apparatus. Bombardier is currently experimenting with this new technology. Breaking off from Podkletnov's work, they plan on making a device that sends out a pulse of energy that will instantaneously emit 1,000 G's of gravitational force. This vaporize any object in front of the beam, which makes me wonder at the practicality of the device. Basically, a superconductor charges itself with energy, and when it reaches critical mass, the energy is released, creating the beam of gravitational force. If it works, I'll be impressed. But it just doesn't seem practical with 1,000 G's of force being exerted all at once. How will it stay afloat? Rockets? |
| Ziff Posts: 389/1800 |
TT Brown also works. But it is more based on ionic propulsion. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 18/557 |
We will find out Tuesday. If it doesn't work, I have a generator that should output more than the right amount of power.
However, we do know that even if Quartz doesn't work, there are still 2 other methods that defy gravity: 1) The meissner effect thing. Placing a non-conducting material over a superconducting material revolving at high speeds above a power source. 2) Grebbinkoff's theory of some insect shells having a superconductive property which, when charged and heated will defy gravity. However, one thing that disproves your statement is that Grebbinkoff directly compared his insect shell results to that of Kowsky's Quartz experiment. |
| emcee Posts: 152/867 |
The Kowsky/Frost experiment was a hoax. The magazine that published the story of it owned up to that fact in the next issue. |
| Ziff Posts: 386/1800 |
Oh, yes.
A nice little stub I got off Jane's |
| drizzt do'urden Posts: 51/57 |
Lol, that's true, then there is only one other option,
send it in to Myth Buster's they can make it work hehe |
| Ziff Posts: 385/1800 |
Not if those people are his friends...and since any experiment can have negative and unforeseen reactions...why would he put these people at risk? Hardly we need the snake of Proba saying "I dare you, daring's author..." |
| drizzt do'urden Posts: 50/57 |
What you should do is do it in front of a crowd so that people know it's real and not fake. It's easier to tell if it's real then. |
| Ziff Posts: 383/1800 |
It's easy to fake - either way.
Especially if he's using 8 mm which is a simple cut job  |
| Thexare Posts: 238/1104 |
Pictures can be edited.
Even video probably COULD be, but it's less likely to be suspicious, and probably harder to edit as well. |
| Sajin Gorotto Posts: 2/9 |
Now if you have photo-evidence of your accomplishes, you will receive a nobel peace prize or...something...or another for charity... |
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