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| Nightcrawler Posts: 14/18 |
Dragonsbrethren
Thanks for the links. Wow.. I didn't know there were so many bug fixes. I'm surprised people have spent so much time on fixing bugs in the original games. It's quite a job to add all of those. I think I'm going to add the section and then allow you or others to add them. I'm in the process now of allowing public submissions to the database that only pass by staff for approval. Once that is up, you can add those types of things yourself. xZeaLitYx It's certainly posible to tabulate views or downloads a hack gets, although I'd have to do the coding to do so. That's actually quite a bit of work. I'm not sure that would really do much. Only the most popular or well known hacks would be seen as they inherently be viewed most often. I agree with Dragonsbrethren that this would help out pushing other good hacks to the background. I think I am going to add user reviews(subject to approval as well to keep the crap out) and that's probably going to be it. Everything else just doesn't work well in my eyes. |
| Dragonsbrethren Posts: 53/442 |
That could work, but often times great hacks are passed up because they are for overhacked games. Maybe a combination of that and reviews would be a good idea, though. |
| xZeaLitYx Posts: 28/70 |
Those countless Mario hacks gave me an idea. Can the database tabulate how many views or downloads a certain rom hack gets, and then allow a visitor to view a descending list of rom hacks with the most views? This could be one way of separating popular or good rom hacks from a sea of other old entries. The other alternative would be a rating system, but I don't think many people are going to stop and take the time to rate a rom hack; they are there just to d/l it. |
| Dragonsbrethren Posts: 49/442 |
Here you go, Nightcrawler:
RPG Legion's Patch Section Assassin's Barren Webpage Tenchinohoukai's Patch Section Imzogelmo's Final Fantasy III Not-Even-Penultimate ROM Resource Dragonsbrethren's Temporary Index (Why not add Castlevania Retold 2.0 to the site while you're at it?) |
| asdf Posts: 202/4077 |
Well, that being the case, you should put those kinds of things in a completely seperate section. Don't clog up the main hacks section with spoofs and around 2.715e+86 demos. As forementioned, the entire hack section would be pointless if you did that, as it would be too difficult to sort through the junk to get to the good stuff. Even stereotyping based on content (GSLT tags) wouldn't work. One way or another, there has to be a way to seperate the good hacks from the bad hacks and the full hacks from the pure text hacks. I suggest making multiple hack sections. The one currently linked to could serve as the good, full, hack section. You could use something like "page=hax" for the mediocre hack section, where all the typical or lame hacks go. "page=spoof" could be used for spoofs and pure text hacks. "page=demos" is for demos, of course. "page=bugfix" works for bug fixes. I say this because quite frankly, using the search feature can be a little slow at times, and it takes a little while longer to find the stuff you're looking for. Granted, it's only a few seconds at most, but after a while, it begins to get really irritating. |
| Nightcrawler Posts: 13/18 |
Dragonsbrethren
Wait a minute.. I'm not really sure what you're saying here. You're suggesting we add a section or provision to the site to find patches that consist of bug fixes for the original ROMs? Is that right? That's an interesting idea. Point me in the direction of some of those patches and I will add a Bug Fix category to the site and add them! asdf So, you're pretty much advocating only complete patches or a rare exception for a demo be in the archive? That was my initial thoughts, but don't you think a good portion of the community might object to that? That was my thoughts. I received feedback from some others saying they would like to see all those countless Mario hacks in there as well as spoofs, demos etc.. |
| Gavin Posts: 99/181 |
Originally posted by XkeeperOriginally posted by GavinSounds to me like you're basically stating DahrkDiaz (who, last I checked, basically 'owned' this forum in a sense) is a part of the problem?Originally posted by XkeeperNo. It's that they're part of it. Yes, I absolutely am saying that. No, I misunderstood nothing about what you have said (unless you mean the spelling mistake). And if by "own" this forum you mean, "has an obligation to maintain the organizational integrity of the threads", then yes. But anything beyond that? Nope, not really. |
| Dragonsbrethren Posts: 48/442 |
I've got an idea related to bugfixes. A few games (FF3us/FF6 mostly) have a huge number of bugfix patches available but you usually have to go to the author's homepage to find them, most sites that host hacks don't have a section for these. They're too small to warrent a page for each of them but it'd be nice if you could go to a page with a list of all the bugfix patches available for a certain game.
Games I know for a fact have bugfixes/tweaks: Final Fantasy Final Fantasy II Final Fantasy IV Advance (I made them) Final Fantasy III US/VI Secret of Evermore Secret of Mana Seiken Densetsu III |
| asdf Posts: 192/4077 |
That would work fine. However, you still shouldn't put up demos, unless they are extrodinary. SMO, for example. There are one too many demos of hacks out there, so you should at least not allow short demos (IE: 1-2 World/Level Demos), and should get rid of the demos when the full hack is released. Publicly written reviews? That should work perfectly. |
| Nightcrawler Posts: 12/18 |
Mega-Dog
We are *NOT* the old ROMhacking.net/.org/.com. We're not associated in any way aside from having one staff member who used to be on board back then and some database refrences. I have personally started and constructed this site from the gound up and have no association with the people who ignored you then. In fact, I have already added the utilities you pointed out to us as well as a Bionic Commando one. You can't judge us based on them.  We do care and we do take action as I have hopefully already demonstrated to you. When you release your two upcoming new editors in the works, please contact us via the 'Contact Staff' section or board.(The 'Submit News' section is only for making the actual news posts to display on the front page, and not for general comments or requests) or create your own news update to be posted on the site.
Do that and you can be sure your utilitie will be added to our site. Anyone who uses our Contact Staff form goes directly to a special forum viewable only by staff, so each submission is documented, not forgotten, and handled accordingly. And in most cases, we respond to the submitter to let them know what action was carried out. asdf Yes, I have already started working on some code to allow ordering by any column as is demonstrated by the 'Date' column right now(despite being ugly blue!) Because you can sort by category such as 'Complete' or 'Demo', I figure that will give the flexibility to appease people who only want Complete hacks like you and I and those who like Demos or other immature hacks. We can easily filter only complete hacks. Do you think that is acceptable? To be honest, I had considered a public voting or review system. You bring up some valid points over the problems that can occur with one. Rather than votes, how about public written reviews? This is a little later on though and won't be in place for the initial section launch. Golden Yoshi Everything on the site is subject to approval by staff and we would continue with such policy. It's the only way to filter out the crap and prevent abuse. Having a search option for 'Complete' or 'Demo' should be acceptable, correct? Don't forget you can weed out junk hacks by choosing that the hack must have Graphical, level, and sound hacked for example. |
| Dragonsbrethren Posts: 47/442 |
I didn't even think about that, it makes sense now. |
| Golden Yoshi Posts: 77/153 |
1. I like the organization of the section so far, it will definitely help beat out endless hunting for a hack that someone desperately.
2. Primarily, I'd like to see only complete hacks there because they seem to be the only ones worthwhile. A select few demos can slip by such as Super Mario Odyssey or the work of DD, and not just some run-of-the-mill demo. 3. I'd give a green light on having a submission system to this site, but be very careful of which stuff you allow onto the site. As I've seen in the past few months of SMW hacking...a lot of the stuff has been utter crap, so you should require screenshots and substantial information from the author before hosting it. |
| asdf Posts: 188/4077 |
1. Just add in the ability to sort by category/creator/platform/etc., and you'll be all set.
2. Only put in complete hacks, and they have to stand out in a way (IOW, no stereotypical SMW hacks unless they're really different and/or good). Try to stay away from hosting hacks that aren't good, too. 3. Going with #2, we don't want this to turn into n00b hack central. Especially with all those...unethical SMW hacks crawling around. The requirements to get in should be fairly strict. Enough to keep the bad to average hacks out and the great hacks in. A voting system wouldn't be plausable in a situation like this (hell, not even ANY situation), due to voting bias. There would simply be a lack of votes. This will happen regardless of how much you promote the site, which could cause the better hacks to get buried under a sea, or worse - in the middle - of shitty ones. Text only hacks, monster hacks (for RPGs), stupid graphics hacks (good ones could get in, though), n00b hacks, ordinary hacks, etc. shouldn't be allowed in. Note that "ordinary" is defined as "average of all hacks for that game." It is really only a big factor with games like Super Mario World. In short, you should only host hacks that stand out from others in a positive way. |
| Mega-Dog Posts: 8/72 |
I reported to the old romhacking.net years ago about most of them and never got a reply. Also I don't get much time in the comunity now days busy with many other things, it is even hard to finish up my projects.
Originally posted by Nightcrawler |
| Apophis Posts: 197/734 |
He probably thought you were talking about the board as a whole (which is what i thought as well, actually) |
| Xkeeper Posts: 915/5653 |
Originally posted by GavinSounds to me like you're basically stating DahrkDiaz (who, last I checked, basically 'owned' this forum in a sense) is a part of the problem?Originally posted by XkeeperNo. It's that they're part of it. Aparrently you misunderstood me. |
| Gavin Posts: 98/181 |
Originally posted by Xkeeper No. It's that they're part of it. |
| Xkeeper Posts: 914/5653 |
Originally posted by Sliver XNot to rain on anyone's parade, but I give that place maybe a year before it starts being filled up with garbage like this one. (p.s.: most of the reason for idiocy here is because the people who actually visit it (i.e., the mods, people like you) don't actually say anything about it. ------ On a side note, good luck with this hacks section, heh. |
| Nightcrawler Posts: 11/18 |
Synthrax:
Thanks for the constructive feedback. I guess that's what I will do. I will add categories of completion like I have the Translation section. I was a bit reluctant because personally, I only wanted to host completed hacks, but that's not what's best for the community. All good suggestions. Thanks. insectduel: What is your problem? First, It's not possible to contact the hack author of the majority of the hacks out there. FuSoYa happens to not be a part of that majority, however, I don't think he'd mind from few the times I spoke to him, and if he does, we'll remove it. Plain and simple. Go away. Dragonsbrethren: The screenshots fit neatly in one row if they are small. Also, what about any future hacks such as N64 hacks where screenshots are 640x480 in size? Or PC hacks etc.. Just because the majority of hacks are NES or SNES, doesn't mean they're all small. That's the main reason it's there. The same was done for the translations. It keeps all the screenshots the same size for the layout rather than the screenshot size reflecting the resolution of the console and being uncontrollable in layout. Sliver X: I addressed this on the ROMhacking.net board. I assume you're talking about the images here, right? Go check out the topic you made there on DXO2 there. Thanks for coming. At least somebody isn't predisposed to dislike something different and help it be better. Mega-Dog: You are totally missing the point of the site. We're moving away from the rely on the staff and instead rely on the community. And I must say for somebody who would come here and point out that editors are missing, yet NOT report them to the site or even here so we can FIX the problem, you are not a model community member. It's up the commmunity to submit news about new releases as well as let us know if an entry is wrong or outdated. It's ridiculous to expect a few staff members to keep THOUSANDS of total database entries on the site always up to date. What do you think we do, sit on the computer and visit hundreds of web pages everyday looking for updates? No.. people have to REPORT the news to us. Maybe the site isn't for people with your mentality of thinking. So, why don't you report what's missing or not up to date and we'll fix it and you'll have nothing to complain about? |
| insectduel Posts: 235/768 |
OK, maybe I was being paranoid but I think FuSoYa don't even care if it's distributed to other sites other than FuSoYa's Niche. I think FuSoYa wan't everyone to enjoy DWTLC. |
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