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| insectduel Posts: 198/768 |
Originally posted by Danielle What is that supposed to mean. I think it's a little odd about that. My example is this, If I want to commit suicide for all the bad things I done in the past then you're already dead. You cant obiously reverse the changes. What about the Suicide Bombers like on the 9/11 attack in my hometown (Not the Bronx) destroying the 2 twin towers. I get what you're saying so far. I know some people in the 9/11 attack have no choice but to commit suicide but don't want to die. Some people are fighting for the loved ones they see. It is very possible if you live a little bit longer if decide not to be dead. |
| Tarale Posts: 232/2713 |
Originally posted by w234ong I wasn't referring specifically to you (re missing points); and yes I am aware that other mental illnessses can be a cause for this too; but Unipolar Depression is what it's most commonly attributed to. I think I mentioned other mental illnesses in my first post but I was very drunk when I wrote the last one and made some omissions. I suffer from Unipolar Depression also so it's easier to speak from my point of view. For the record, I've had suicidal thoughts and been in a suicidal state. I can tell you now, once you kinda "come to your senses" afterwards, and remember being in that state, it is FUCKING SCARY. Particularly for the loss of control you have in that state.  I can't imagine anybody in their sane mind could want to do that!! |
| Danielle Posts: 1154/6737 |
Well I know that depression changes the facts a bit.. I was typically speaking in terms of no mental problems, big or small, to interfere. I know that if that's the case, then the person may feel like they want suicide when they really don't. =\ |
| Deleted User Posts: 3/-7750 |
Originally posted by TaraleI didn't miss your point. I myself suffer from bipolar depression. Maybe I'm not the best person to talk about suicide. (even though I never thought about doing it) I just don't see suicide only as symptom on Depression. |
| Snow Tomato Posts: 2/798 |
Well someone very close to me failed at attempting suicide, and after she initially did it before her hospital visit... she just wanted to live very very badly. It's a basic human instinct to survive, to live.. to see another day. You might think you want to kill yourself, but when you're almost there... I don't think anyone at the bottom of their soul really wants to die. They just want to feel loved. If you stick around long enough, it just might happen.
Clinical depression, I know that. If it's a chemical imbalance, more likely than not, it can be treated. But what I've noticed, is that alot of people don't like to admit that they have a problem. They deal with mental disorders as something that's "too messy" to deal with. My close friend didn't want to get help, and still hasn't. I think that if they take a step back to look at the big picture, suicide isn't the only answer. Suicide I think is an equation of loneliness, being bored with the life you lead and meaninglessness. I think if the person stepped back and examined these three things, and changed any one of them... the other two would follow suit. But alot of people, not just suicidal ones.. don't really step back and take a look at the big picture. When you die you only have your soul. And if we do live on at the end of life, then just stick it out here on earth and see where it takes you. Suicide is not the only answer. |
| Tarale Posts: 229/2713 |
Originally posted by Danielle But not everybody realises that, particularly if they have Depression and the related cognitive distortions. It's easy to see that you have family or whatever, and think "no, I can't bother them with my problem". It's easy to write off people you know as a potential source of help, or to assume that they don't care. So even though everybody has somebody; they might not know that until the fact is forced upon them. And there ARE people who literally have "nobody", or at least nobody who cares enough. I don't think that so many of the homeless people I see would be in that position if they had people who cared enough about them to help out. |
| Danielle Posts: 1085/6737 |
But most people who commit suicide don't WANT to die. They just think it's their only resort. If it's something that other people have stated, such as living in a hospital bed or something, that's a different story. But.. if that isn't the case, I don't think anyone wants to die.
And I very much disagree with your point. Everyone has somebody. It doesn't have to be family, it can be ANYONE. |
| Tarale Posts: 228/2713 |
I still think you guys are missing the point I made about suicide being a (very serious) symptom of Depression.
Now, Depression comes with a bunch of fairly serious cognitive distortions (aka false or irrational ways of thinking). What distortions you happen to get if you get Depression are pretty unique to you. BUT what they will pretty universally do is warp your thinking to the point where... * if you're told that people care about you, you won't believe them, or you'll demand to know why. -- and if you're told why you'll shoot down every reason that is given * if you're told that there are things to live for, you'll shoot down every reason given * if they're told that they'll hurt people by killing themselves, they'll counter that nobody cares etc etc etc. The problem with cognitive distortions is that if you're affected, your "truths" are completely and utterly different from somebody without that distortion. It may become an "unquestionable truth" that you're a "useless human being" due to a cognitive distortion. The people who are considering suicide most likely are not rational. And that's where this seems to get all fucked up -- from the outside, you guys give a bunch of rational reasons why they shouldn't or are fucked up or whatever for doing it. But in that person's head, they are NOT THINKING RATIONALLY. Depression fucks with your head. It fucks with the way you think, it warps the way you think so that you think things that you wouldn't normally think. I gave one example before with the burden thing, but that's only ONE example of what cognitive distortion will do to you. What ticks me off about this thread is that people keep placing rational qualifiers to people who commit Suicide as if it was a rational act. IT'S NOT. It is, as I stated before, a symptom of clinical Depression. And the sooner people understand that, and understand Clincal Depression, the sooner people can HELP others with this, and maybe even PREVENT suicides. 
For fuck's sake. |
| Deleted User Posts: 2/-7750 |
Not everyone got people who care about them. It's that simple.
Ran-chan said it'd only cause pain to those who care about you. But think of it: If they really care about you, wouldn't they let you die if you want to? Wouldn't it be sad to live because others want you to and not because YOU want to? It'd be selfish to not let someone suicide simply because you don't want him/her to die. |
| Trapster Posts: 1196/3604 |
"What I hear most frequently is "nobody would care if I was gone." That statement baffles me. If only the people who feel that way would open their eyes and see all the people around them that care. Family, friends, schoolmates, neighbors, even that friendly waiter at the local Denny's that has had a few conversations with you."
I knew Iīd see that in this thread and Iīm with Danielle on this one. Even if you think that people doesnīt care about you, they still do. They might not say it but they do care about you. I donīt think suicide is a good thing because itīll only cause pain to the ones who cares about you. Itīs okay in those cases Ailure mentioned, though. "But what a horrible thing.. (not to push religion or belief, this is just the way I look at it) how would that person feel looking down on you in heaven, knowing that their death not only killed them, but killed you too? It's not right. There's ALWAYS something worth living for." This woman speaks the truth. Iīve been severely depressed myself and have thought of commiting suicide but I never did it. I wouldnīt do it. It was just a thought I had at that moment. I donīt think you should do it. And I donīt think suicide is a good thing. |
| Ailure Posts: 297/2602 |
Would only be ok in two cases.
1. The American doom movie way, aka sacrificing yourself for saving humanity or something... (see, Indepdance day, Armageddon) 2. You have a uncurable diseas, lies dying in a bed with major pain. Other than that, there is no reason to do suicide. Myself have never thought on suicide, since i'm highly afraid of death. I want to avoid it at all costs.  |
| Danielle Posts: 1059/6737 |
I don't really think that's suicide though. Is putting your dog to sleep murder, if they can't walk and never eat and are generally near death anyway? |
| Cruel Justice Posts: 471/1637 |
It's a waste unless you have an uncurable disease and you want to avoid a slow and painful death. It would also be alright if your sacrifice benefitted an unselfish purpose. |
| Tzepish Posts: 30/117 |
My philosophy toward suicide has changed somewhat recently. I used to believe people should have the right to end their life whenever they want to, because heck, it's their life. But, now I'm pretty sure I was wrong about that, because it isn't just their life. That is, I cannot commit suicide, for example, because my life doesn't belong to just me, it belongs to all my family and friends as well. Even if I were miserable and truly believed I had to reason to want to go on, I couldn't take my life away from my friends, it's just be a jackass thing to do, regardless of how miserable I was.
As for samurai, honor is extremely important to me, and it's not difficult for me to imagine suicide as an honorable thing to do if you have been dishonorable/dishonored. When I quit my job about a year ago, without a backup job in place, I felt that I had dishonored my roommates, and so I vowed not to eat anything I couldn't personally afford (that is, don't eat anything I didn't buy, don't allow others to buy me food) until I got another job. I ended up eating a lot of ramen, and then a lot of nothing, but I felt it was something I had to do. If the dishonor is great enough, suicide as an honorable thing is something I can agree with entirely. |
| firemaker Posts: 27/194 |
Well I always thought that suicide was stupid. Happiness in life is what you make of it. With every cloud comes a silver lining. You've just got to find it. Anyway life is to good to get rid of. The saddest thing about it though is that those who attempt suicide and fail usally find themselves really wanting to live and regret even trying to. |
| Tarale Posts: 227/2713 |
Originally posted by ThayerOriginally posted by Wurl 
As for whether it takes courage to kill yourself or not... well, I don't know, but I do know that even with Depression, people only get to that point because they feel there are literally no other options. |
| Deleted User Posts: 254/-7750 |
Originally posted by Wurl I thought tanuki had the biggest balls. Or was it whales? |
| Wurl Posts: 143/842 |
My saying that you're emasculating trillions of badass samurai, which is BS because samurai have the biggest balls (in a physical and figuritive sense) of anything ever.
Seriously, I wouldn't do it, but I can understand the logic behind it. |
| Danielle Posts: 990/6737 |
Having the guts to kill yourself isn't something anyone should be proud of. But that's just my opinion. |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 316/2046 |
Originally posted by mcwOriginally posted by w234ong Isn't suicide technically a form of murder? |
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