Andy
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Originally posted by Disch
Originally posted by Andy
I gotta say though.... this all seems pretty ridiculous. It sounds as if you're genuinely worried/concerned that people are going to come after you -- and that's just such a laughable thought.
I just get a bit concerned somtimes. I enjoy life to much to ever have anything happen. But I think I have all the info I need now to understand everything I wanted to know. I feel like such a loser .
Disch
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Originally posted by Andy
If I delete stuff off a disk can people tell what used to be on it?
You mean your HD? Yes.
If the FBI or whoever really wanted to, there are ways to recover deleted files off of hard drives. Of course there are also programs which attempt to foil such efforts by scrambling the formerly used areas of your HD.
But of course for them to do this they'd have to cease your computer... which they'd either need your (or the computer's owner's) consent, or they'd need probable cause (ie, they'd need some other evidence to suggest you have something on your HD which is worth them seizing).
So while it is technically possible for something like this to happen... it's not anywhere in the realm of reality.
Even if they have your IP how do they locate you?
Erm... that's kind of the point of your IP. The internet needs to know where your computer is so it can reach you. Your IP is essentially a road map to your modem.
I'm not sure exactly HOW they'd make the connection. I'd imagine it'd be something as simple as calling your ISP and ask for a billing/service address. I doubt your ISP would try to cover for you ;P
I gotta say though.... this all seems pretty ridiculous. It sounds as if you're genuinely worried/concerned that people are going to come after you -- and that's just such a laughable thought. |
Andy
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Originally posted by UZI in my pocket
Well. Do you mean if you copy em to a CD?
If I delete stuff off a disk can people tell what used to be on it?
Originally posted by UZI in my pocket
you also know the sites with ROMS where you dwonload them, once you download the ROM, they store your comp IP thing in there list, the people that host ROMS can turn in the list before you can say, NOT ILLEGAL
Even if they have your IP how do they locate you?
Originally posted by UZI in my pocket
ohh. I mean my SMB1 hack im working hard on. I don't like to Edit SMB3 that much. most of my levels Crash. You should check out the "My first SMB1 hack"
Theres a lot of Progress I have done.
Who said anything about your hack that time? |
Deleted User
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ohh. I mean my SMB1 hack im working hard on. I don't like to Edit SMB3 that much. most of my levels Crash. You should check out the "My first SMB1 hack"
Theres a lot of Progress I have done. |
Koneko
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According to the back of an old Nintendo product, it is not only illegal to create/own/use a duplicate of the game, but also to modify the game or any such duplicates. So it follows that it's slightly worse to have a hacked ROM than a 'fresh' one.
But no, hacking a rom does not increase the likelihood of anyone capable of punishing you caring in any way.
So no one is going to come to your house and arrest you for playing someone's (or your) hack of SMB1 on your computer, if that's what you're asking. |
Andy
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Originally posted by Dragonsbrethren
Originally posted by Andrew
Is the penalty imprisonment or a fine?
No one is going to come to your house and arrest you for playing SMB1 on your computer, if that's what you're asking.
The police and government have more important people to worry about like music pirates.
But were talking about hacked ROMS. Wouldn't that make a difference? |
Deleted User
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Originally posted by Metal Knuckles
Lookout! John Prescott's about to go all Jackie Chan on your ass!
And Uzi, seriously. Please think (and spellcheck) before you post. You said the government might track you, then followed up with saying that the police wouldn't track you. Honestly, that's contradicting right there.
Also, how's your Mario hack going? +P
Kinda Good. Wanna See some screens? Im barley on this level working on.
W 1-3. Levels 1 to 3 Right now are the HARDEST.
Do you mean my SMB3 one or SMB1? SMB1 im working HARD on.
Screen to MY VERY FIRST SMB1 Hack. Im so Proud of my self.
A part of W 1-1. I changed the [?] Boxes to [!]. And the Fireballs. CHANGED.
This part is Further more in W1-1. There is like 5 Hammer guys. You can't see the other cause they aren't in the PIC.
This is the Beginning of W 1-3. LOOKS HARD DONT IT?The fire looks like Chicken Wings. LOL.
This is close to the Ending of W 1-3.
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Metal Knuckles
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Hey! Does anyone remember when Official Playstation Magazine joked that a good way of taking care of scratches on game discs was sticking them in the microwave, and all those people actually did it? XD
Has there ever actually been a case of someone getting caught by the police with having ROMS on their PC? |
DarkPhoenix
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This is copyright law - no one will really go after you except for the companies that own the copyrights, and, as I've said time and time again, unlike with the deplorable Music industry, they seem to have better things to do than go on an internet piracy witch-hunt.
Bottom line, if you're not openly distributing your ROMs (e.g., selling them, posting them for download on a website, or sharing them all on a File-sharing network of some sort), no one's likely to hunt you down.
And by the way, if a higher government agency was really after you, breaking a CD into pieces wouldn't do it. It's still possible to recover data from a broken CD, albeit not all of it, but probably enough to prove the existence of a file on it. The best way to dispose of a CD is somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds in the microwave. It will, however, leave a bit of a smell behind, at the very least, and you could conceivably damage the microwave a bit, so, as they say, adult supervision required |
Disch
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Originally posted by Metal Knuckles
You said the government might track you, then followed up with saying that the police wouldn't track you. Honestly, that's contradicting right there.
There's more to the government than just the police. It's not necessarily contradictory. |
Metal Knuckles
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Lookout! John Prescott's about to go all Jackie Chan on your ass!
And Uzi, seriously. Please think (and spellcheck) before you post. You said the government might track you, then followed up with saying that the police wouldn't track you. Honestly, that's contradicting right there.
Also, how's your Mario hack going? +P |
Deleted User
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I dunno who will. sorry |
richyawyingtmv
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Originally posted by UZI in my pocket
HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!
I didn't say anything about the POLICE arresting you.
Why? Who else would? The liberal democrats? MI5? John Prescott? |
Deleted User
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Originally posted by richyawyingtmv
Originally posted by UZI in my pocket
Well. Do you mean if you copy em to a CD and take It to a persons house and they copy it? Yeah, I don't Know how the Police will Track you. But the govenrment guy mite be able to. so if i make a hack, Will i get in trouble? i gotta stop then if thats true.
you also know the sites with ROMS where you dwonload them, once you download the ROM, they store your comp IP thing in there list, the people that host ROMS can turn in the list before you can say, NOT ILLEGAL, seriouly, they can track down all the ROMS you have stored in your comp. if you even have ROMS stored to a list, they will track the disk. SO DON'T COPY TO A DISK. if copyed, Break the damn disk to splithereeins.
THIS IS TRUE
What the fuck?
My uncle's a police officer. And he plays mario kart on the pc with me reguarly.
Seriously, the police dont fucking care.
HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!
I didn't say anything about the POLICE arresting you. |
richyawyingtmv
Posts: 74/294 |
Originally posted by UZI in my pocket
Well. Do you mean if you copy em to a CD and take It to a persons house and they copy it? Yeah, I don't Know how the Police will Track you. But the govenrment guy mite be able to. so if i make a hack, Will i get in trouble? i gotta stop then if thats true.
you also know the sites with ROMS where you dwonload them, once you download the ROM, they store your comp IP thing in there list, the people that host ROMS can turn in the list before you can say, NOT ILLEGAL, seriouly, they can track down all the ROMS you have stored in your comp. if you even have ROMS stored to a list, they will track the disk. SO DON'T COPY TO A DISK. if copyed, Break the damn disk to splithereeins.
THIS IS TRUE
What the fuck?
My uncle's a police officer. And he plays mario kart on the pc with me reguarly.
Seriously, the police dont fucking care.
EDIT - I also installed soulseek on his new laptop for him the day. Because I'm nice like that  |
Dragonsbrethren
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Originally posted by Andrew
Is the penalty imprisonment or a fine?
No one is going to come to your house and arrest you for playing SMB1 on your computer, if that's what you're asking.
The police and government have more important people to worry about like music pirates. |
Deleted User
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Well. Do you mean if you copy em to a CD and take It to a persons house and they copy it? Yeah, I don't Know how the Police will Track you. But the govenrment guy mite be able to. so if i make a hack, Will i get in trouble? i gotta stop then if thats true.
you also know the sites with ROMS where you dwonload them, once you download the ROM, they store your comp IP thing in there list, the people that host ROMS can turn in the list before you can say, NOT ILLEGAL, seriouly, they can track down all the ROMS you have stored in your comp. if you even have ROMS stored to a list, they will track the disk. SO DON'T COPY TO A DISK. if copyed, Break the damn disk to splithereeins.
THIS IS TRUE |
Andy
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Originally posted by DarkPhoenix
And, for reference, the penalty for copyright infringement is up to $30,000 for each work infringed, or up to $150,000 if the copyright owner proves willful infringement.
 I have quite a few hacks! I hope I never get fined!
If I keep my ROMS on my comp and never release them or put them on a different computer would police have any way of knowing I have ROMS? |
DarkPhoenix
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It's possible that it's legal to have a ROM if you dump it yourself, but not entirely too likely. Nintendo states quite specifically on its webpage that game copying devices are illegal, and as I think we've established, Nintendo's fairly careful with their wording. The question would then be, is the ROM created, if you create it yourself from a legally owned copy of the game, with an illegal device, legal or illegal? Or, on the other hand, can we say that the Sony vs. Universal case protects the copying device (assuming it has other uses, aside from infringement), and then, would the ROM created be legal, and under what uses? Would it be legal to run this copy, if the original is in good condition, or could it only be used strictly for archival?
Well, obviously this doesn't apply to most, who've pretty much obtained ROMs flat out illegally. So more, the question is, To what end would a person have to go to in order to hack a ROM, without breaking any laws?
If ROM hacking is considered Fair Use, then none of this infringement business applies, but if it doesn't, then how can we create for ourselves, a legal ROM to hack? This is important if someone wanted to present a ROM hack to a company as part of their resume, or felt that their hack was of such high quality that they wanted to present it to a company to be officially released, for example.
And, for reference, the penalty for copyright infringement is up to $30,000 for each work infringed, or up to $150,000 if the copyright owner proves willful infringement. But, keep in mind that these laws were created with the intention of attacking distributers of infringed works, not individual users. No need to be paranoid about just having ROMs on your computer. Granted, the RIAA considers anyone they find sharing music on a file sharing network to be a distributer. They've sued everyone from 12 year olds to senior citizens (that's not an exxageration). Luckily, the video game industry isn't so depraved. For the most part, all they've done is sent nasty letters to websites distributing ROMs, demanding that they shut down, as far as I've heard. |
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