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| SamuraiX Posts: 227/302 |
What I mean to say is can I be sad without knowing I'm sad? |
| Rom Manic Posts: 539/557 |
There is no purpose to this thread. He does not even try to fix himself, despite numerous suggestions on HOW to fix himself, if there is even anything wrong to begin with.
SamuraiX: At least try what I have suggested. Nobody is going to drop down from heaven and just make everything better. You have to do it yourself. That is one of the meanings of life, to make yourself better and overcome. Anything. The rest will come in time. |
| Tarale Posts: 2682/2713 |
I would suggest that you have to see a doctor about that. I doubt anybody here is trained to either diagnose or treat your malaise. Nor is anybody here qualified to prescribe any medicine that may be more effective than advil, or such.
There are many many reasons why somebody can feel tired, both physical or mental. Examples include: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Leukemia, Renal Failure, Depression, Diabetes, Epilepsy, Infectious Mononucleosis, Influenza, etc, etc See your General Practitioner. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 224/302 |
Originally posted by Grey Might I ask an answer to a somewhat less cryptic problem then? Every waking moment, life feels so very tiring. Exhausting, even though I really don't do much. And constant pains from head to toe. There's only so much advil, motrin or whatsnot that one can use in a day, and most of it doesn't do much. It's ever so tiring to be alive.  |
| Schweiz oder etwas Posts: 2031/2046 |
You're a lot like me, SamuraiX. I don't know how I feel about that.
You think you're worth a lot less than you actually are, but the fact that you're able to write, think critically, enroll in AP classes, and still have time to tell everyone about how you can do that AND you still feel worthless suggests that you're not as crap as you seem. Maybe when you meet someone truly worthless you'll gain a better perception of just how much you actually mean. And stop asking questions that don't have an answer in cryptic language -- that can be taken as BSing around in the OC, which is, as I'm sure you know, not within the rules. You can just as easily say "Well, I know the conditions, not the disease, so what's the cure?" and get a ton of feedback relating to your life, the condition it's in, and your prospects for the future. Like Tarale said, the OC is a place where you come to talk about what's directly bothering you, not ask a line of questions that are hard to answer and not entirely related to your problem. Someone who reads this thread all the way through will suddenly start noticing your language take an unexpected left turn about two-thirds of the way through, which is where this philosophical stuff started. The best solution to your woes is to act on them, not sit around and talk about them. |
| Tarale Posts: 2681/2713 |
Thankyou, MathOnNapkins. I'm starting to wonder what the point of all this is myself.
So far I've been giving SamuraiX the benefit of the doubt, and have been very patient with him/her, but if this nonsense continues I will close this thread. Officer's Club is a forum where people come to seek help, or to try to offer help to others. I doubt this is helping anyone. SamuraiX -- If you wish to engage in philosophical debate about what "normal" is and if there is a purpose to life, please start one in the debate forum. If you actually have a problem and wish to seek advice for it, then make an effort. I have made an effort to try to help you based on some of the sentiments you have expressed in the first post and throughout the thread. If you don't want my help, simply say so, if you do want help, make an effort. If you just want to argue, I'm sure there are better forums than Officer's Club. |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 1082/1106 |
I did answer your question, but you weren't paying attention. Disease and normality are mutually exclusive. Chronic normality would therefore not be a disease. And I didn't question your answer, I questioned your question. B/c that's all you've been doing is asking combative questions like you know what you're talking about.
And you're spouting nonsense. Pain is your body's way of letting you know something is wrong. Yes, it's possible for nerves to misfire, or not fire at all. People who don't feel pain generally die of papercuts and the like; this is well known. I think that should be enough to convince you. As of now you are speaking in riddles and I don't really care to continue discussing your hypotheticals. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 223/302 |
I would go so far as to say that the normality of humanity could be expressed with a bell curve, and that most people are just similar by sheer probability. Conversely, it would just be a result of probability that there are people divergent with the norm, and that thought has nothing to do with it.
And since you mentioned it, is it bad to have a burning pain in the chest? One that pinches at the senses, makes one wince, suffer? A normal person cannot grasp pains not normal and is quick to marginalize the pained as pitiable, if not worse. What medicine will man prescribe to that which he himself cannot understand? Might you answer my question, not question my answer? |
| MathOnNapkins Posts: 1081/1106 |
Your posts are starting to irritate me, SamuraiX. What do you want exactly? Tarale is being very informative and patient with you, just trying to see if you're depressed, and if you are, she's just trying to help. But every one of your posts in response to hers is an open ended question that is comes off as being standoffish.
You don't sound happy to me, and you're being very dodgy about it. So either you're in denial, or you just came in for a philosophical chat. But I can't stand to see you patronize someone like this. At least, that's what it looks like to me. You sound bitter at other people b/c they aren't like you. You seem to have something against people being "normal" which is meaningless b/c everyone is different, one way or another. Asking if being sad all the time is bad is like asking "is it bad if I feel a burning pain in my chest all the time?" So yeah, being sad all the time would indicate that something is wrong, just like burning pain in your chest would indicate you are about to seize up from a heart attack. Obviously these are different degrees of severity, but still... I'd say it's okay to indulge in melancholy thoughts once in a while for entertainment (e.g. reading The Scarlet Letter), but actually being sad is not fun at all. Being truly sad is like being in pain. And finally, you ask if chronic normality is a disease. no. Disease is by definition a state of being divergent from normality. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 217/302 |
Originally posted by TaraleOriginally posted by SamuraiX Why isn't chronic normality a disease in that case? |
| Tarale Posts: 2680/2713 |
Originally posted by SamuraiX There are other types of mental illnesses. "Chronic Happiness" could be construed as "Mania" for example. Apathy is usually associated with Depression however. And yes, the inability to experience certain emotions is considered a mental illness. It is not normal to be sad all the time, no.  "Normal" would probably indicate a healthy balance of highs and lows.
I suffer from Atypical Depression (actually the most common type of Depression despite its name). I am moderately ok at the moment, but when I am feeling bad I can overeat (particularly chocolate and bread or pasta), I can sleep upward of 15 hours a day, and I pretty much avoid everyone at these times. And no, it's not necessarily a very "focused" thing. I would describe it more like being under a heavy fog that just doesn't go away. It's quite a vague feeling really I found... and some days were better than others. Course, if you are Depressed, I'm not saying you need to go get yourself on medication or anything for it. But I'm still guessing given that this thread exists at all that you're not entirely thrilled with the way things are, so you might want to do something. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 216/302 |
Originally posted by Tarale It's "lie down and die," unless you're saying I'm an object. O= I really don't think I'm focused enough to have Clinical Depression. I doubt that my fatigue, and sleeping is because of depression of all things. If constant sadness is a disease, why not Chronic Happiness, or Chronic Apathy? Is deviation from the normal in itself, a disease? |
| Tarale Posts: 2678/2713 |
Well, I know from personal experience that Depression is not a good thing. And by Depression, I'm not referring to a simple feeling of being a bit down -- I'm referring to a mental illness.
Everyone feels a bit down from time to time, but if it lasts a really long time, and you feel pretty much nothing *but* feeling down, then you might have Depression. Depression can make you feel like you're unable to feel emotion (or emotion besides sadness), and make you lose pleasure in activities you would otherwise enjoy. It can also cause changes in your eating and sleeping. It often makes it hard to concentrate, and makes people feel fatigued. Untreated Depression can lead to feelings of "going mad", cause people to cry frequently, and simply wish to "lay down and die" or become suicidal. Having Depression can increase your risk of illness due to not taking care of yourself, and problems like Heart Disease. It's also thought that Depression alters the physiology of the brain, causing problems with - amongst other things - memory and concentration on a long term basis. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 215/302 |
Originally posted by Tarale What's wrong with depression? |
| Tarale Posts: 2677/2713 |
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| Tarale Posts: 2676/2713 |
Originally posted by SamuraiX I'm just telling you my experiences. You might have different ones, but I find that Depression causes me to go and isolate myself... and being isolated makes me Depressed. It's usually why they say to encourage people suffering from Clinical Depression to go out with friends and such. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 214/302 |
Originally posted by Tarale What, wait? Isolation translates to depression? |
| Tarale Posts: 2674/2713 |
I've had periods where I've had trouble with people in a general sense. I am capable of not talking to anyone for a long period of time, because I'm simply not able to adequately relate to anyone, nor am I willing to try.
However, I also associate these periods with fairly significant Depression. Both caused by the isolation and causing further isolation. It may just be a period in your life that will pass. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 210/302 |
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins I just don't think people are very interesting. Not as acquaintances, at least. And people definitely just find me repulsive, as would seem to be the trend. There isn't much in common with me and people. |
| Rom Manic Posts: 533/557 |
SamuraiX: If you are looking for a purpose in life, you are looking in the wrong place. Nobody can tell you what it is, you must search for that yourself.
If I told you your purpose was to become a biochemist who did great things, would that make you automatically become a biochemist and do great things? Nay, but the answer may be closer than you can imagine. It is simply a matter of the will to find it. Search within yourself and find what makes you happy. We cannot break it down for you, because we do not truly know you; only you do. We can only support you in whatever path you choose. |
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