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| Bloodstar Posts: 636/669 |
Originally posted by netscape Oh, how I know how this feels. My mom's lazy, too. She makes $5.50 per hour, works 4 hours a day, 2 days a week. That's $44 a week. And she blows fucking half or so of it on cigarettes. |
| Xkeeper Posts: 5316/5653 |
Originally posted by Arwon Politicians set everything here. Why do you think we're still in the stone age regarding most things? :\ |
| Arwon Posts: 582/631 |
As good a bit of news as this is given America's extremely low bottom-end wages, does anyone else find it incredibly ass-backwards and inefficient that politicians get to set minimum wages? |
| Cynthia Posts: 5635/5814 |
Minimum wage is MINIMUM wage. That's why fast food places/etc. offer it... they know they're not going to have a bunch of perfect employees and that they'll have a steady stream of high school kids applying. For a high school kid, minimum wage is a lot of money.  |
| netscape Posts: 90/90 |
When I was a kid my mom made minimum wage, and was the single earner. It was rough. When the washer broke used to have wear dirty clothes to school or hand wash and hope they dried quick enough in the house for the next day. Food was definitely a problem. Nothing but pasta and potatoes usually. One week we had $20 to shop for 2 weeks food. At least we ate I suppose. When my mom was finally able to get a job that payed $8 the difference was amazing. The nursing home she worked at (she worked as a nurse's aid), they'd leave her taking care of 30 or so old people so she'd be exhausted when she got home to a meal of potatoes. Mean while the owner's dogs got gourmet dog food. :/
I say long over do. |
| PrincessPeach Posts: 353/381 |
But Isn't it also so, that those which earn minimum wage, also have to work their asses of to get it?
It was like that when I was working at McDonald's, if you weren't fast enough and doing your job, you where gone faster than you could order a BigMac. On a side note, Swiss minimum wage is about the level of a store managers wage (about USD 15.- an hour). About the increase, wat counts more is the increase in relationship with the allready paid wage (2.- of 7.something is about 25%, and as some pointed out, it's not that much in the greater scale (Stores and companies are too too greedy anyway). |
| SamuraiX Posts: 104/302 |
The fact that a company would be dismayed at this new increase illustrates that there's enough people so that most places don't have to pay competitive wages for unskilled labor. I don't understand what you mean by people miss the big issues, Metal Man88. Do tell. |
| Metal Man88 Posts: 638/701 |
Raising wages doesn't change enough, in my estimation. People who have an education can demand more pay, simply by searching for a job where their skills are wanted. On the other hand, poor people who can only get minimum wage will be stuck with it. Raising it helps them, but everything on top is likely to catch up too, causing inflation rather than aid to the poor.
Not a major one, but generally the problem is that, to really change things, you'd have to put major controls on the way people are paid, which would contradict the capitalist bend of this nation. I think the major issue is that we get fixated on small issues, and miss the big ones; therefore arguing is wasted, and even if one picks the 'best' solution, that only benefits this one portion of the pie. Meanwhile, rich people get richer, copyright stuff gets tangled in a knot, and hobos don't seem to care. Etc. But, eh, what am I to say? The world didn't ask me for my 2 cents when this happened--however you guys might find this of some interest for reading. |
| Black Lord + Posts: 252/273 |
Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra Believe it or not, they offer some decent starting wages for a fast food restaurant, at least in larger cities... I saw one that was hiring part-time employees starting at 8.25 an hour. |
| Kasumi-Astra Posts: 218/258 |
Competitive wages in Burger King? Burger King doesn't want the best, it wants the easiest. The cheapest. This is the same across retail everywhere these days. As long as you can demonstrate you can follow the rules and listen to orders, you can work in any common shop anywhere.
The minimum wage does not just benefit the people at the baseline, it benefits everyone from the previous amount right up to the new $7 odd. If you're in the case that you've had a few rises anyway, your employer will probably review your situation again, as they've demonstrated that they thought it was neccessary in the past. The minimum wage is there to protect the poorest from exploitation, not to protect the middle or upper class. |
| Ziff Posts: 1640/1800 |
Yeah, and that's before all the wacky-woo tax cuts that every company gets. That's also before any other write offs that they can think of. And in the case of really big companies, that is before the creative accounting. Really, minimum wage raise won't hurt America. If anything, it'll help those that are struggling at the bottom.
Also, DD. I worked at a place for three years. The minimum wage didn't go up, but everyone else around me got raises. You know what really sucked? I didn't. I became a "manager". And basically I just bossed people around, had to work harder, and never got the fucking .25 cent raise I had been asking for for two years. You know what I did? I left and found another job where I was making 11 dollars an hour, 12 hours a day. 5 days a week. |
| Sinfjotle Posts: 1683/1697 |
Don't take this offensively, but if you're only making $7.60/hour after nine years of working, you need to find a better job.
I'm going to use my work as an example. (Dillon's) If I get an increase of $2 per hour in my wages, that means one customer per hour needs to spend $2 more. I'm a cashier currently (and I make $5.50), according to my stat sheet of customer's/hour, it usually averages around 20 throughout the day. (Maxes out around 25 because checking out more customers than that becomes impossible.) For every checker, there is a sacker. Then there are people who work in the back. (Around 10 at any given time and most of them make $6.50+) Now with one lane getting 20 customer's per hour, we would need (being generous here and giving everyone a +$2 increase), $24 more to support the wage increase. That's $24/20 or $1.20 more each customer would have to be charged. However, during peak hours (3-8), we have five lanes open. One is an express lane. That's 19 employees and around 100 customers on a slow day. $38/100 = $.38.  Oooooo you're gonna go bankrupt! |
| DahrkDaiz Posts: 393/403 |
I personally dislike it. Only for the fact that i've worked at the same place for 9 years. I started thre when minimum wage was $4.75, I started at $5.00. I worked my tushie off to get to $5.35 then boom, minimum wage is raised to $5.15... I was like wtf. Fast forward to the present, I make $7.60/hr. Now someone who is less qualified and no experience will be making 35 cents less than me who has been with the company for 9 years. All that has happened to me is that I've been brought back down to a lower class. The poverty line has risen closer to where i am and thus, my pay wage means a lot less than it used to. I am ok with a $1 increase, but $2? |
| Xkeeper Posts: 5294/5653 |
Originally posted by Black Lord + Don't forget; if there's an obvious job oppertunity that pays more elsewhere, and everyone knows it (an it'd be easy to get), I doubt they'll keep paying you less than newbies. At the worst, you can ask them to give you a raise to where everyone else is. |
| emcee Posts: 818/867 |
Originally posted by Kasdarack Yeah. Of course. Neither what you're saying or what Xkeeper said has anything to do with my point. You're arguing more than 4% of American workers will get a wage increase. I'm saying that doesn't matter. Your argument is that when companies have to pay more to employees, prices will go up. In that case, you shouldn't be looking at what percent of the workers will have their wage increased, but instead what percent more companies will actually be shelling out. |
| Black Lord + Posts: 250/273 |
Quite frankly, I'm pretty pissed off... why... my reasoning.
Minimum wage was 5.15 in the good ole' state of Nebraska. Although, in bigger cities, most places paid around 7.50 an hour starting. Why? It's called competitive wages... Burger King needs to draw people from McDonald's by having a higher starting wage or the other way around. Minimum wage goes up to 7.25, they'll want to keep being competitive and start offering higher wages to starting employees... Does current employees wages go up, most likely not. Therefore me being stuck at 8.00 an hour means I will be stuck there most likely while the new shmucks will most likely start off at a higher wage. Granted... there are no new shmucks coming here most likely, and if they do they'll be under me once I get promoted from HTML coder to Programmer. |
| SamuraiX Posts: 99/302 |
Originally posted by XkeeperOriginally posted by emcee It's not really flawed as much as "different." And not to agree with emcee, but I think that utilitarianism isn't necessarily the ideal way of thinking. I think this is the wrong way to go if people are thinking of upward social mobility. The only major chance I can see for some of those five people is unemployment. Since employers will always choose the outcome with the greatest profit, not necessarily the greatest quality of life, they have no issues against hiring illegal immigrants if they'll work for less and the cost of doing so (possible legal action or a decrease in sales) is less than the benefit of cheap labor. Seeing as there's such a lax system against illegal immigrants currently, and seeing the number of people at McDonalds, Marshalls, and Burger King who don't speak English, I'm not going to be the one to judge. Even assuming that a workplace doesn't use illegal means, I think that employees and not investors or consumers will feel the recoil of this change. I say this for a reason. Given: Non-essential product A has x number of buyers at price u. Product A then shifts upward in price to higher price y, therefore the number of buyers decreases to lower number y. And companies like people investing in their stock. Or so I hear. |
| Thexare Posts: 1086/1104 |
Originally posted by emceeOriginally posted by Xkeeper Short form: You're wrong. |
| Anya Posts: 1112/1176 |
All GS/EB pays mim wage to their part-timers and seasonal staff. And you're lucky if you get more than 3 days to work. |
| emcee Posts: 816/867 |
Originally posted by Xkeeper I have no idea what you're trying to say. |
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