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Level only hacks - Do you play them?| What do you think about hacks where only levels are changed? Do you play them or not? | Yes |
85.3%, 29 votes | No |
14.7%, 5 votes | Multi-voting is disabled.
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DurfarC Beezo Level: 33 Posts: 293/483 EXP: 218551 For next: 10628 Since: 09-04-04 From: Norway Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I'm asking this to see what people really think of hacks where only levels/stages are changed. Nowadays there are so many good graphics and ASM hacks out there. Level hacks tend to be less unique, but does that mean they're boring to play? In my opinion, level hacks can be fun to play as long as the levels are carefully designed, with no bugs or glitches. I'm also asking because of my own hacks. I have four in progress (look here), but only levels are changed. I plan to continue on my SMB3 hack again, but I wonder if someone would play it at all... |
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Karadur Fire Snake  Level: 48  Posts: 773/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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| I don't mind level only hacks at all. Like you said, when you don't have to worry about custom graphics, ASM hacks, and possibly even music editing, you'll be able to concentrate more on the levels, and chances are they'd be better than they would otherwise. I've got more levels-only hacks on this computer than I do hacks with changed graphics and the like. What I'm trying to say is, I find levels-only hacks just as fun as the other ones, as long as they're done well  |
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Chickenlump Level: 41  Posts: 480/722 EXP: 474192 For next: 5953 Since: 03-15-04 From: Columbia City Indiana Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| I have nothing against 'level only' hacks, but I do not play them. There are far too many editors and techniques to edit so much more than just levels. Graphics, text, asm, stats, palettes, etcc.... so many other things to edit. Though it's not true in every case, I feel some level only hacks are created because people are afraid to get their hands dirty in finding data, using hex editors, or any other method of hacking that isn't included in whatever editor it is that they are using to hack the levels. Level only hacks are a good start for beginning hackers, surely. There are countless other ways to improve a game that doesn't include level hacking, and hacking ONLY the levels feels like kind of an unused pool of talent and potential. But that's just me.  I'm sure other people feel strongly against my opinion, but it is just my opinion. Having said that, I have seen some stellar level-only hacks out there, with clever design and interesting ideas. I just need more. Not as in "I'm being greedy, give me more" but "Show me your true talents and lack of fear or gumption to try new things". |
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Ice Ranger Leever Level: 23  Posts: 74/183 EXP: 60462 For next: 7261 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 82 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| It's always fun to see the creative level designs people can come up with. Level only are the first hacks I made/played whenever I first came here (2002). The other add-ons are nice, but it wouldn't keep me from playing a good level hack. | |||
knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1160/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| I agree with Chickenlump. Aslo, level only hacks bores me to hell. Back in 2001-2002, it was fun, but now times have changed. I myself am not going to make a smw hack without new GFX and ASM hacks, wich means pretty much, i'm never making a smw hack again.  |
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Ice Ranger Leever Level: 23 Posts: 75/183 EXP: 60462 For next: 7261 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 82 days Last activity: 3 days |
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Originally posted by knuck Yeah, for SMW and SMB1 (the two games with the most hacks for them), I'd have to agree. It's kind of the same way with me on Zelda Classic, something has to really stand out, whether it's graphics or the idea. For over-hacked games, more than level design will be needed to make it stand out. Heh, I'm with knuck on that one, I'll never try hacking SMW again . |
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DurfarC Beezo Level: 33 Posts: 294/483 EXP: 218551 For next: 10628 Since: 09-04-04 From: Norway Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I forgot to say: If the levels in a hack look similar to the ones in the original game, I won't play it. I've seen many hacks like that, especially SMB3 hacks. But as Karadur and Chill Penguin said, I love to see creatively, well done levels. Oddly enough, when it comes to SMW hacks, I prefer new graphics and stuff. Maybe it's because there are so many of these. I consider Super Mario hacks (SMW or SMB1/2/3) as beginner hacks if only levels are changed. These games are easy to hack. However, making new levels for games like Mega Man (mostly 4, 5 and 6) aren't always easy. (edited by DurfarC on 02-12-05 11:31 PM) |
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Smallhacker Green Birdo SMW Hacking Moderator Level: 68  Posts: 1305/2273 EXP: 2647223 For next: 81577 Since: 03-15-04 From: Söderhamn, Sweden Since last post: 10 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Where's the "Sometimes" option?  |
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Deathknight Blue Octorok Level: 11 Posts: 17/46 EXP: 5270 For next: 715 Since: 01-21-05 Since last post: 63 days Last activity: 113 days |
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| I prefer more detailed hacks but I'll take level only over graphic only any day. I'm really tired of finding graphic only MegaMan hacks. | |||
dormento Shyguy Level: 17 Posts: 74/99 EXP: 24075 For next: 668 Since: 03-15-04 From: Esteio - Brasil Since last post: 182 days Last activity: 161 days |
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| I still play level-only, if they're good enough. The catch is that it isn't really hard to hack little bits of the engine and change some of the gfx. Many popular much-hacked games have tools ready for this kind of editing. There's really no excuse to not throw some eye candy here and there. | |||
Jigglysaint Red Cheep-cheep Level: 24 Posts: 155/215 EXP: 76907 For next: 1218 Since: 03-17-04 Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| I like to release level hacks of games that nobody's ever hacked before. I try to avoid overhacked games but instead concentrate on games not hacked, and find data for them. | |||
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Schwa Green Birdo The Embodyment of Good, infused with the Living Assets "Alpha Psibeam!" (echo effects) Level: 66  Posts: 1083/2214 EXP: 2457091 For next: 4760 Since: 04-25-04 From: Spanaway, WA Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 13 hours |
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| Level-only are WAY better than graphic and ASM. That's because a level-only hack is a REBORN version of the origional. When I hack, levels are TOP priority; graphics are lowest priority and palettes are second higest because they compliment the remix feel to the hack. Take Megaman 4 Gadget Master, the first MM4 hack ever, done by yours truly; all the levels are different, and that's why I got the good feedback from my friends Googie and the others. | |||
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DurfarC Beezo Level: 33 Posts: 296/483 EXP: 218551 For next: 10628 Since: 09-04-04 From: Norway Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Smallhacker"Sometimes" means that you play them. As long as you've played more than one level hack, you play them. Originally posted by SchwaI agree on this one. It depends on which game we are talking about, but the original games always stay gold. But if I see a hack where the graphics are very well done (like Super Mario Odyssey), of course I download it. Originally posted by DeathknightYeah, these are boring. Especially "sprites-only" hacks. (edited by DurfarC on 02-13-05 08:59 AM) |
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ExKay Somebody set up us the bomb! Level: 50 Posts: 471/1114 EXP: 908268 For next: 39049 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hannover, Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I first play a few levels to get a look how it is and if I like it, I play it. But I prefer new GFX as well. |
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Googie Surarok Level: 39  Posts: 282/624 EXP: 380784 For next: 23987 Since: 03-15-04 From: Corona Queens New York Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I can always get down with a hack that has levels only edited, that's what makes hacks unique. & I always go back to play Schwa's MM4 hack because the level design rocks! And I can't wait to play DurfarC's hacks because they look like very well done levels, And we need more MM hacks. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 3255/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| If the levels are good, sure. Good level design is the most important feature of a game. Cool ASM hacks and jaw-dropping graphic edits are definetely a nice bonus, but they're not required. Consider the fact that the original game didn't have them, and in many cases was awesome. (Because who hacks sucky games? ) Adding Ninja Mario and Ice Mario to SMB3 is cool, but look how good SMB3 was without them, because it had good levels. |
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Ok Impala! Buzzy Beetle Level: 31 Posts: 270/383 EXP: 183070 For next: 2293 Since: 03-16-04 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 23 hours |
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| Ok! I like level-only hacks if nicely done like Super Mario Bros. 2 - 2nd Run for example. Originally my next Mario Kart hack would've been a level-only hack. Though, since I teamed up with Stifu doing the graphics we decided to completely overhaul the game, hence the new title "Epic Battle - Impala Kart Courses". And I have to admit, playing with competely new characters on a new course is simply amazing! And the best thing is, as the creator I can already play a new Mario Kart long before it's official release. |
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The Great Guy Octoballoon Level: 22  Posts: 148/170 EXP: 53084 For next: 5266 Since: 04-08-04 Since last post: 130 days Last activity: 73 days |
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| I definately play level-only hacks, as long as the level design isn't HORRIBLE I find myself enjoying them very often. | |||
Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 5289/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I probably play enough ROM hacks in general, but when I do, I usually don't mind level-only hacks, just as long as there's some challenge (not too much) and some difference from the original. I mean the old Frank's ROM hacks for SMB1 were level-only (minus 3rd) and I liked messing with those for the longest time. Probably one of the reasons I regged on Ace's back in '02 to begin with. |
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Sushi X Level: 4  Posts: 1/4 EXP: 129 For next: 150 Since: 02-13-05 From: United States Since last post: 248 days Last activity: 185 days |
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| I enjoy playing level-only hack's as long as there not as hard as hell. For example, I make it to a part of the level and die at that same part over 50 times (i'll pretty much quit after 20 though). Although level-only hack's are fun i'd much rather enjoy playing graphic hack's. (edited by Sushi X on 02-14-05 11:45 PM) |
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