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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 1861/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| Yes, I moved it. Mark All Forums Read is to the left of the post stats on the Main page, Mark Forums Read is below Users online in this forum on forum pages. Here's what's in the menu: - Significant navigation. Sub-pages not accessible elsewhere. (Threads, forums and PMs are not accessible via it.) - Significant, or oft-used, user functions that encompass seperate pages. (Yes, Avatars should be linked in from Edit Profile.) This isn't the movement of one link to another place to piss people off. This is the start of weeding inconsistencies out. Suggest your next change, and I'll take it in consideration. But Mark Forums Read was such an odd bird - the ONLY link in the menu that a) doesn't lead to a seperate page and b) appears and disappears based solely on what page you're on - that it was perfect to begin with. |
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Captain moneybags Bloober Level: 33 Posts: 162/447 EXP: 208968 For next: 20211 Since: 07-01-04 From: the lol land (or in reality sweden) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I think it actually fits there but it makes the post stats go to far to the left. Edit: i meant to far to the right. (edited by dragon master on 02-07-05 02:55 PM) |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 4195/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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I hit faves, since its right around the area "mark forum read" was and I was like "WTF!?!". Goes to show how used to it being there I was.  |
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macks Level: 45 Posts: 588/900 EXP: 659955 For next: 209 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 22 hours |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51  Posts: 1166/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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You know the feeling when you go to sleep and the morning someone has raped you and put on your pants back and forth? Yeah, that's how it feels. And I don't see the reason for RSS feeds to be there either. It's probably not like that for all but I got a big juicy RSS button in the bottom right corner of my browser. I'm happy with that. And the mark forum read is terribly placed. Yuck!  |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1137/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by maxI second that. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1862/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| I knew the "oh my god they moved the link!!!1" comments would be coming. Let me just say this in advance: A new system is being developed that won't require you to hit any link at all. So a) this is a temporary "inconvenience", b) things will change regardlessly, c) there are always benefits to streamlining and d) muscle memory is established for a lot of things. I can't develop something if it relies on everything being static for fear of pissing people off. It doesn't really apply to moving stuff around in a menu, but in general, try to see the possibilities instead of the downsides. To make it up to you, drag this link to the bookmark/favorite bar and then you'll be able to click it on any forum page to mark as read. You can place it anywhere you want.  (Tested in IE/Firefox.)Originally posted by JizukoMissing the point. How was it consistent that every other link in the menu lead to a new page because you clicked to get there and this one did only because it didn't know where to send you when it was done? Everyone seems confuddled about the bar with RSS and Mark forum read, too. It's not something to be confuddled about. We have three to four of those bars in profile pages, depending on if you're an admin or not. We had one of those on all thread pages and all forum pages that contains the user in the forum. We have an extra one in thread pages too for mods. And we even have one above every post, with Quote links and the works. It's simply stuff that applies to whatever you're looking at - be it a user, a thread, a post or a forum. I can agree that RSS doesn't exactly associate with marking forums as read, but it wouldn't fit well next to New Poll or New Thread, and neither would Mark Forum Read - that's a bigger slip-up than hitting Favorites. You'll keep clicking the wrong link for another few days. Then you'll adjust. I can completely understand how you think this is change for the sake of change. It's not my intent to make it change for the sake of change. It's my intent to make it change for the sake of a menu that makes more sense in the end. (edited by Jesper on 02-07-05 04:17 PM) (edited by Jesper on 02-07-05 04:36 PM) (edited by Jesper on 02-07-05 04:37 PM) |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1138/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by JesperDoesn't work in IE.  |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1863/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by knuckDid when I tried it - you've gotta be on a forum page. What error?Originally posted by JesperDoesn't work in IE. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1139/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1110/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Doesn't work in IE? You mean, knuck won't be able to do something FF users can? SUCCESS |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1864/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by knuckDoubleclick icon next to error in page. Click Show Details (I think it says that) and copy what's in the box. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1140/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51 Posts: 1169/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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| No, you shouldn't see it as where the links go, whether they bring up a new page or not. You should see it as navigation and not navigation. Up there we have a navigation, we have everything we need to click on there. Putting this below Users Online in a forum makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not being irrational, I have patience with things like this. But then, I usually see a point with it. This, feels like it was randomly placed. And just because we have 13453 extra rows in profiles, threads, forums, whatever, doesn't mean that we can put 234593 more in it. And I frankly don't see any upsides with confusing alot of people. And regarding not having to click a link at all, uhm, how's that gonna work? Mindreading? Because I sure as hell don't want a forum to auto-mark read when I've been in it. I judge that myself. | |||
Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 7283/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Well, I (edited by Trapster on 02-07-05 04:46 PM) |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98 Posts: 4213/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by Jizuko Same here. Sometimes when I go into a forum, I might want to leave on thread untouched until I have more time to read it and reply. Whereas other threads, I can look over in a matter of minutes, in not seconds. I don't mind the link move, but it's gonna take some getting used to. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1865/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| knuck, I mistakenly used [ Jizuko: Exactly my point. It isn't navigation. Everything else up there is navigation. New thread isn't navigation, because it's not a set point that you'd want to be able to access from anywhere - it depends on the forum you're in. Edit profile is navigation, because it IS a set point that you'd want to be able to access from anywhere. It's randomly placed because there's really no good place to put it. Having it up there in the menu corrupts your mind. "The menu is just a place to put links." No, it's not. It's a place to put navigation. Color Chart should really go too, but I'm even more unsure about where to put it, or what to put in its place. No, you don't "see any upsides with confusing alot of people". This is because the first step - this - isn't the whole deal. You can't fill up the tub again until you've emptied it. Building the top menu is tough. I wrote this thread to inform people on what happened and to have a good place to gather suggestions on what should go in the top menu and what shouldn't. Most of what I've seen is bitching, and you can say that you're disappointed in me for changing it, but likewise, I'll say that I'm disappointed in every single one of you for not bringing me any positive feedback. In your next reply, post your dream menu, and don't motivate it with being the same menu we've had when you joined. That won't work out for new people, or for people who didn't join when you joined. Motivate with logic and reason, not with nostalgia and muscle memory. Edit:  This is a perfect analogy - the 'tabs' take you somewhere, and the 'button' does something. Should the button be a tab? I think not. [18:13:04] xkeeper nan: You moevd something that had been in that VERY SAME SPOT for over FOUR YEARS. [18:13:20] wootest: So's GWB. (edited by Jesper on 02-07-05 05:11 PM) |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51 Posts: 1170/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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| Mark forum is navigation for me. Because it IS a set point that I want to access from everywhere. Depending on the forum of course. And I've never ever thought that it was misplaced there. It came natural for me as I'm sure it did for other people too. I found it alot easier than any other forum. And that's what it's all about. A little advice would be to fix the whole navigation in one sweep. Not do small changes like this, because people will just try to get used to it and then see it changed again. Wait until you have a finished draft of the whole thing. My ideal menu would be smaller, but it'd also place often used links in the center of attention (such as mark forums read), because it's just as linky as the other links there. Edit profile and Edit Layout, Avatars, post radar, favorites and possibly the color chart would be in one dropdown menu. Because those are all about editing yourself. Depending on how many people use it, board stuff like ACS, FAQ, Ranks and more can be in one. An alternative way would be to let each person customize their own catagories or folders, like they can with PM's. Then no one can complain, imagine that. |
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -2604/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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| Jizuko is right, It IS navagation. It is nothing more than another "Main" link with an added bonus of marking the current forum read. It was on the right side, which, since I'm right-handed mouse wise, is much easier than in the middle below the links. Not only that, but the new 'readdition' of the RSS link just wastes more space than is needed, seperating an already seperated area. Instead of the older: Views: X - Links go here - Time It's now: Views: Y - Links go here - Time Besides, you moved something that had been in the Acmlmboard design for at least three and a half years. Arrgghghgh.. Not only that, we don't need ANOTHER copy of your RSS link when we still have one that is accessible to anyone who feels like using it (push "End") - that seems an awful lot like "Not enough people are using this, let's shove it in there faces some more", much like the old Get Firefox and/or the new BrowseUnhappy button. And to rip apart the "analogy" No, the button takes you somewhere and does something. Two functions. Especially useful when you want to get two things done, and since it's right near all of the other links (and not seperated, out in the middle of nowhere) its even easier. I mean, hell, I like the way the links on this board are, they're unchanging and easy to get used to, unlike several other forums where you can have the links anywhere you damn well feel like, so it makes things a lot easier to do. (edited by Neko-Arekusuchan on 02-07-05 05:18 PM) (edited by Neko-Arekusuchan on 02-07-05 05:22 PM) |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1866/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by JizukoFinally. Feedback that's more than bitching. Let me start by reiterating something: That it's been in there for four years now doesn't mean crap. We can't tip-toe around pissing off the 80 or so guys that's been here more or less during the entire time and avoid bringing new stuff - or even old stuff laid out in a way that makes more sense - to everyone. If you think the veterans are the only ones that use this and that what other people think doesn't matter, you're off your chum. "Because it IS a set point that I want to access from everywhere. Depending on the forum of course." This is my key point. Links in the menu shouldn't appear and disappear depending on what page you're on. Either it should be static or we should put a whole lot of these functions up there. "A little advice would be to fix the whole navigation in one sweep. Not do small changes like this, because people will just try to get used to it and then see it changed again. Wait until you have a finished draft of the whole thing." I'd love to do that, but inevitably I'd end up pissing off everyone, because it'd be my favorite setup. You don't want that. You want your favorite setup. The one that works for everyone. Which can only be derived by asking people for feedback. (No, we can't keep the current one and assume everyone loves it. Ask Cuba if they're happy with what they've been stuck with for decades. Same logic.) I've toyed with customizing the menu. It'd be hard to do. The benefits would be huge. I've not ruled it out. But there still needs to be a great base to start from. "Not only that, we don't need ANOTHER copy of your RSS link when we still have one that is accessible to anyone who feels like using it (push "End") - that seems an awful lot like "Not enough people are using this, let's shove it in there faces some more", much like the old Get Firefox and/or the new BrowseUnhappy button." No, it seems like it's collecting the links in one place, and it'd be stupid to put it at the bottom. Stop trying to find idiotic patterns involving pushing features. That it takes up more space is granted, but it's up to the board - which consists of a lot of people, remember - to decide if it's a waste of it. In my opinion the online users in forum row is a far bigger waste (and I coded it!) but I accept that other people want it in to the point of where they request it for threads too. Edit: The new way (the way that old cranks like to whine about) is now optional. Visit your nearest edit profile dealer and pick up a brochure. (edited by Jesper on 02-07-05 05:49 PM) |
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