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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44  Posts: 351/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Take note, this is not my utility, BlitzKrieg made it. *copies* For the 2 or 3 of you that actually visit my site/forum you've know for a week or so that I've been working on a little gem. Now comes the first public release. I'll get an HTML manual for it soon, or maybe I'll get DKK to do one for me. *removed by request* Here's where you change your trousers. Lenophis is posting a more complete and extensive fix on the item data that we worked on for a week straight. *end copy* And this has been my project in the last week. Evil Peer didn't get everything right on the items, which was ok. I learned a shitload of this game because of it. Oh yeah, this will be undergoing many updates, since accessories are still kind of unknown. That, and there'll be new goodies later to come. --Edit-- Thanks Kitten Yiffer (edited by Lenophis on 02-01-05 09:38 AM) (edited by Lenophis on 02-04-05 03:39 AM) |
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Ok Impala! Buzzy Beetle Level: 31 Posts: 255/383 EXP: 183070 For next: 2293 Since: 03-16-04 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 23 hours |
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| Ok! This is great! Already it's possible to make a great Chrono Trigger hack with all these tools!  |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7552/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Not to be picky, but you messed up a link in that post.  Looking on the screenshots, it's kinda reminds me of PK hack. Which is nice since it probably means that it's as powerful, but just for Chrono trigger.  ...why they hadn't been that much tools for Chrono trigger is beyond me. |
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JCE3000GT Level: 5 Posts: 2/8 EXP: 374 For next: 155 Since: 02-01-05 Since last post: 268 days Last activity: 165 days |
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| Here's the corrected link: http://www.blitzkrieg.finalconquest.net/ctec/ctec.rar Regards. |
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Kyoufu Kawa I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way. Level: 70  Posts: 1129/2481 EXP: 3008456 For next: 7355 Since: 03-19-04 From: Catgirl Central Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| Luckily, I wasn't wearing pants to begin with. | |||
Nebetsu Shmee Level: 55 Posts: 916/1574 EXP: 1291130 For next: 23059 Since: 09-01-04 From: Nebland Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| It needs some sort of "comctl32.ocx" that I dont have. You know where I can get that and where I should put it? | |||
Geiger Buster Beetle Level: 34  Posts: 265/460 EXP: 241080 For next: 12571 Since: 03-15-04 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| It needs some sort of "comctl32.ocx" that I dont have. You know where I can get that and where I should put it? Try this item. It should go in your windows system folder, if this is not an installer. ---T.Geiger |
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Chickenlump Level: 41  Posts: 472/722 EXP: 474192 For next: 5953 Since: 03-15-04 From: Columbia City Indiana Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Very nice job, very clean and uncluttered. It's kind of nice to other people coming out with editors for my favorite game. I'll be making heavy use of this. Strangely enough...I wasn't wearing any pants at the time either ....  |
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xZeaLitYx Cheep-cheep Level: 23  Posts: 75/199 EXP: 66932 For next: 791 Since: 04-13-04 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I'm reluctant to take down my huge news announcement on Masato Kato's return to SE, but I will announce this on the Compendium. Nice job; DivineDragoonKain will probably make use of it with his upcoming hack, the Forsaken Demesne. It's going to be a large dungeon hack, and a real challenge. | |||
Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35  Posts: 261/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| In my honest opinion, the GUI design is bad. The whole dialog is far too big for an 800x600 screen resolution. It's funny because I actually know people who often use that resolution. There's so much wasted space in the dialog. With some reorganization, all that you see can fit into a much smaller area without squeezing or cluttering anything. Of course, if it weren't a simple dialog to begin with, it could even be made resizable. On IRC, I told JCE3000GT that it was a terrible thing, and that it even looked like crap. (Or something to that effect) Instead of pondering whether it really was a bad idea, he decided to "wait for more feedback" because "he has a high resolution and it looks fine on his machine". Then he stormed off, upset that I was so peeved over the whole thing. It's unusable by anyone with a screen resolution less than 1024x768. I think a few people can agree that it's not a good thing. Even if they use a resolution like 1280x1024 (me) or 1600x1200 (JCE30000GT, apparently). (edited by Parasyte on 02-01-05 11:35 PM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 3106/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I agree, the dialog is way too big and messy. What's with those checkboxes way across from their labels? The boxes should be on the left of the text, using their own caption instead of a separate label. There is also a lot of wasted space, and the 'unknown' values should be editable (and split into individual bytes, unless you know for sure they aren't supposed to be) so people can maybe find out WTF they do. (edited by HyperHacker on 02-01-05 11:54 PM) |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1365/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Maybe he just made all of them that big b/c of the item stats tab, which does apparently need a lot of space. I mean, you can shrink it down, but it does have a lot going on. Can't you pop that sucker into a scrollable container window or something? If anything I would just subdivide it into smaller dialogues that can be brought up with buttons or whatever. | |||
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Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35 Posts: 262/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| There's quite a lot of 'whitespace' on the Item Stats dialog, though. I'd estimate that only roughly 30% of the space is actually used. Hell, that whole empty bottom portion accounts for 17.5%, itself (not including anything to the left of the Apply/Cancel buttons). Oh yes, and I would like to mention that this is not about making it "pretty". I honestly don't have much opinion about how it looks. How it WORKS on different computer setups though, that's where the problems come into play. |
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jman2050 Red Koopa Level: 19 Posts: 63/123 EXP: 33172 For next: 2605 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 10 days Last activity: 103 days |
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| THere's no excuse for a GUI that big in a program you're releasing. If this was an inside tool, sure, let him do what he wants with it (My homebrewn hacking programs are pretty big mostly because GUI isn't much of a factor in that case and I'm looking merely for functionality) but for something like this? And you can't make the excuse that he needs the space; he doesn't. Too much stuff on one page? Subdivide it even further, either using an nested tab control or by maintaining the 'enabled' state of each control, making sure that only the controls that must be bunched together are enabled at a point, using a radio button or something. And for the love of god, you don't need text boxes 10 times the size of the data you need to input. Other than the crappy GUI, it's a nice program. Good work |
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JCE3000GT Level: 5 Posts: 3/8 EXP: 374 For next: 155 Since: 02-01-05 Since last post: 268 days Last activity: 165 days |
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| Ok, I have only 1 thing to say. If you don't like it don't use it. I originally coded this for me to aid in me editing CT with Evil Peer's fantastically wonderful editor...since it didn't CURRENTLY do the things I wanted to do and I don't have the time to sit back and work in Hexworkshop for hours on end I made this for me...and me only. I was feeling generous and decided to release it to the ROM hacking community to contribute to the advancement of CT hacks that aren't just stupid text edits. I did the same thing with my FF2usME, made it for me then released to the public to use. Do I care if you don't like my interface? No, does the program work? Yes. Should that be about the only thing that matters to normal non-nitpicking people? Yes. You have the offset data Peer released, you have the additional data Lenophis and I provided...now if you have a problem go code a better utility. I WOULD BE F*CKING GLAD IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD MAKE A BETTER UTILITY WITH MORE FEATURES VERSUS WHAT I GENEROUSLY RELEASED TO THE DAMN PUBLIC! Do I sound assholish right now? Yes. I'm so f*cking tired of people bashing other people's work for no good reason than just to point out little problems that are MEANINGLESS. If you don't like it don't use it. PERIOD! I didn't take a programming class, nor did I download sample code from the internet. I just simply learned from the help files, msdn database, and with trial and error. I learned to make shit for myself and not for any of you or the world. It so happens I figure some/most people would ENJOY having a utility here and there. I'm a pretty easy going guy, but when little nitpicking bullshit gets aimed my way or to someone else's direction that I feel is uncooth I will make an ass of myself. And Parasyte, with all due respect--the people using a resolution smaller than 1024x768 shouldn't be using the computer for such things. You can spend an easy $30 to get a GeForce 2 with 32MB of RAM that will do a larger resolution. Because of this nitpicking I will not release anything else to the public again, you want something I do ask me privately. I refuse to partisipate in a community that is a bunch of nitpicking know-it-alls that don't actually feel the need to contribute anything POSITIVE. Now that I've said what I came to say today, I'll be answering technical questions about my program on my forum or ZMD only. I'm done here. For those who actually use the program happy hacking, and to those to nitpick get a life. Good day. P.S. Lenophis please remove my image links from your original post. (edited by JCE3000GT on 02-03-05 03:21 PM) (edited by JCE3000GT on 02-03-05 03:22 PM) (edited by JCE3000GT on 02-03-05 03:22 PM) |
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jman2050 Red Koopa Level: 19 Posts: 64/123 EXP: 33172 For next: 2605 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 10 days Last activity: 103 days |
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| With all due respect, we will complain all we like... if you don't like it, then perhaps you shouldn't be releasing tools like this as you stated. And for the record, there is NEVER a good reason to make yourself look like an 'ass' as you so put it. Justified or not, all it does is make you look like a moron. We're already overflowed to the brim with them, no need to add to the problem. |
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JCE3000GT Level: 5 Posts: 4/8 EXP: 374 For next: 155 Since: 02-01-05 Since last post: 268 days Last activity: 165 days |
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Originally posted by jman2050 No, you are part of the problem. I've been in the rom hacking community a long time, back in the "good ol' days" when a utility was release the community welcomed it as long as it worked or do what it was supposed to do. You complain, and complain, and complain...but yet offer no real suggestions NOR do you appear to code something better. I'll be waiting for one of you programmers to code something better...I bet you won't. I will bet you and the rest of you complainers will either: a)use at least something from my program even though you still find it "horrible" because my program STILL WORKS for what it's SUPPOSED to do b)use a hexeditor out of spite because you are closed minded c)be lazy and wait for Peer to release a new Temporal Flux I was in the process of refining my post to make it less assholish...until when I refreshed I saw your response. Well, now I know there is no hope here. I left TEK because of YOUR kind of BS. Complain complain complain, with no real solutions or suggestions. When an auto maker releases an automobile you don't like you don't go storming in to thier distributor and tell them they all suck because of how ugly you think thier auto is. The program was originally literally HALF it's current size, about the size of the character editor...and due to MORE information Lenophis and I worked out I decided reluctantly to increase the size of the program without having to resort to adding more tabs to contain the data that I could just stick in one tab/frame. Again, you say you have the right to complain? Then, you having said that gives me the RIGHT to be an asshole if I so choose. Lesse, who will win...I'm guessing since I'm out numbered an admin/mod is going to ban me before YOU get a slap on the wrist--if that. Just solve your issue by coding something else and don't bother using my utility if it makes you that nautious. Thankfully, what people that know me personally know I'm a relitively nice guy--until someone pisses me off. Oh and Parasyte, here's the exact log out our little IRC "chat". [01:40:07AM] [Parasyte`] Chrono Trigger Editor Companion --> LOOK AT ALL THAT VALUABLE WINDOW SPACE! WASTED! [01:42:11AM] [JCE3000GT] then code your own [01:42:13AM] [JCE3000GT] sorry [01:42:17AM] [JCE3000GT] i have a large resoultion [01:42:58AM] [Lenophis] apparently so [01:43:22AM] [Parasyte`] Yeah, not everyone has their resolution set to 1024x768. Anything lower and that program will not be fun to use. [01:43:40AM] [JCE3000GT] well, i'll put the warning in the manual when i make one [01:43:50AM] [JCE3000GT] it looks hideous scrunched together [01:43:54AM] [JCE3000GT] i tried it [01:44:14AM] [Parasyte`] It looks far more hideous all spread eagle. [01:44:17AM] [Parasyte`] Trust me. [01:44:53AM] [JCE3000GT] i respect your opinion [01:44:59AM] [JCE3000GT] but i'll wait for more feedback [01:45:05AM] [Parasyte`] Yeah, but it's fact. [01:45:05AM] [JCE3000GT] i still don't plan on changing it [01:45:10AM] [JCE3000GT] and, on top of that [01:45:23AM] [Parasyte`] There are rules to GUI development. And that breaks a few of them. [01:45:32AM] [JCE3000GT] ok [01:45:38AM] [JCE3000GT] i'm not having this conversation [01:45:44AM] [Parasyte`] Yes we are. [01:45:48AM] [JCE3000GT] no we aren't, watch Session Close: Tue Feb 01 01:45:50 2005 I hardly call that "storming out", I refused to have a trivial conversation about something I already stated isn't being addressed. I did after all not insult you, however you seemed to take somekind of joy hacking at my work being the "educated" programmer. So please, someone, code a better utility if you find mine not to your satisfaction. I'll wait 5 more minutes before I leave/get banned. (edited by JCE3000GT on 02-03-05 03:52 PM) |
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dan Snap Dragon Level: 43  Posts: 389/782 EXP: 534516 For next: 30530 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| The GUI design is not that bad at all. It's clear, and you are instantly able to figure out what does what. Complaining over the fact that it doesn't support 800x600 resolutions very well really is just nit-picking. Unfortunately, it's a sad fact of life that people find it easier to criticise than to praise. Just one piece of advice, before you start picking someone's program to shreds on a messageboard, think how you would like it if someone decided to rip apart something that you had put time and energy into. Then again, it does seem to be some kind of status symbol to do indulge in that kind of activity. Personally, I hope JCE reconsiders never releasing anything publically again, as the community does need people who release tools, editors, etc. There are very few people releasing tools nowadays, and losing yet another editor author is a blow to the community.  |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 497/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I gotta agree with the others. The HUGE amount of whitespace may seem pretty, but it's very troublesome for someone who doesn't have uber high resolution. As a programmer, your solution shouldn't be that they should just deal with it, but rather, you should at the very least release a version that squishes things down and makes it viewable on smaller resolutions or everything in a scrollable area so you can resize the window. Let the users decide whether they want giant windows with tons of white space or not. As functionality goes, quite a large assortment of stats to edit here, very nice work in that aspect. (edited by DahrkDaiz on 02-03-05 03:57 PM) (edited by DahrkDaiz on 02-03-05 03:59 PM) |
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Geiger Buster Beetle Level: 34 Posts: 266/460 EXP: 241080 For next: 12571 Since: 03-15-04 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Both sides have a point here. 800x600 is the minimum resolution Windows XP supports, and not everyone can afford to buy a shiny new monitor or video card. Developers should strive to support the low-end if possible. But the notion that they must is a bit conceited. Polling has shown the vast majority of people use resolutions higher than the minimum. I personally use 1600x1200 at home and 1280x1024 at work (the native resolutions of my LCDs). And sometimes it can be quite a burden to try to support lower-end resolutions. Hell, I still remember the absolute joy and freedom I felt when I no longer had to support 640x480. Frankly, you people should not be complaining here. As the man says, use it or do not. You might have gently suggested "Could you please make the dialogs smaller so I can use your program in 800x600 mode?" But saying his program sucks is petty and low. ---T.Geiger |
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