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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 1990/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The new US Secretary of Education was sworn into today and already as caused a ruckus before being officially sworn in. Apparently, she voiced concerns of an episode in a children's program aired on PBS called "Postcards from Buster". One of the episodes featured a child introducing her parents to the main character. These two parents are lesbian partners. However, the episode was not about same sex relationships. Nevertheless, the secretary stated she had "very serious concerns". So, what do you think about that? Should children's programming be devoid of anything related to same sex relationships or otherwise? After a few posts, I'll voice my opinion. Here is the article for those you want to know more: Children's TV fears a funding flap after 'Buster' |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2751/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Fuck the fundies. Until the extremists who declare the impropriety of homosexuality realize that these people do exist and many of them can easily build up loving family units, they don't deserve much in the way of respect. The basic devoidance of human rights it absolutely disgusting and the removal of equality is a serious threat to everyone, no matter who it happens to. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1361/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Well, my gut reaction to that is bad, but when you start seeing it in a broader context, if there are going to be more and more gay partners with kids, their kids are going to be thinking, "Well why aren't there any families like ours on TV?" What it comes down to is having your lifestyle banned from TV... I've a feeling if that gets nixed maybe you'd start to see more networks for gays, with "special" children's programming. Segregated TV? I mean, same sex marriage seems really weird to me, and I'm sure a lot of people feel that way too, though they might not condemn it. It'll be interesting how this all develops over the next few decades. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2753/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| It [SSM] is (thank God) becoming law in Canada this week. That or our country's parliament is going to dissolve and we get to go through another election and my party will gain more seats because the reactionist CPC twits are losing ground because strategic voting is no longer worthwhile. As long as the SSM issue exists, it proves that fundamentalism is gaining too much power within a secular society. As this occurs (even a CATHOLIC can see this) we will be faced with more movements that question the basic fundamentals of Western ideals. Where does freedom end? Should everyone be equal? It is a frightening prospect when you think about it. If they oppress the gays like this by libelling their lifestyle, who knows what will happen...Muslims and people of Middle Eastern descent are already widely persecuted in America (and the trend is moving more and more into Canada). And in reaction, political Islam (which is VERY anti-secular and oppressive) is gaining credence. To keep it short, I keep my rosary away from Basic Politics and Human Rights 101 book. The fundies should keep their KJVB away from the US constitution and keep their fucked ideas about morality out of the bedroom. (edited by Ziffski on 01-31-05 10:34 PM) |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 2383/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Ziff, sometimes you just sum up everything so well. Really, it shouldn't matter. People do this because they are focused only on negative things and never look at both sides. Polotics is just a bunch of bullshit people thinking they are important. They try to press their beliefs on other people having the attitude that they are always right. They can never accept being wrong or stopping and seeing if they are doing something smart. They lie, they persecute, they pretend to care, and yet, people don't see through the act. Rich people shouldn't be running our government, and niether should any other group, but a mixture of all people. It would stop stuff like this from happening. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 278/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| I don't think homosexuality needs to be in childrens programming.... I'm assuming we are talking about PBS aged kids.... that's like <5 years old... there is enough "adult" programming with homosexuality in it already, we don't need to shove it down our kids throats too.... oh and Ziff, not everyone is happy about the same sex marriage policy in Canada.... or at least, the potential change.... I think it is a very bad idea.... but that's just me.... and since I disagree with it, I'm just a religious backwater bigot who is against human rights and all that |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2760/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Not everyone is, but due to the current sitting of the seats, the majority representation in Canada wants it to go through. Just like in television...Children need to be educated. They need to be taught that some kids are going to have two mummies or two daddies. Or daddy may become a woman. Kids need to understand that if they feel attracted to to the same sex when they hit puberty, there is nothing wrong with it. Basic human rights need to be observed and acted upon. In this instance, it is the education about homosexuals that is going to help and better society. Why be a propenent of bigotry, hatred and unfairness when we can sever an artery and let a limb of prejudice die? And yes, you are a back water bigot, if you want to use those terms. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 279/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| okay, we are talking about 4 year old kids.... I really don't think they need to be educated about homosexuality at that age.... they don't even understand sexuality at that age... I would say at least wait until about 10.... because until then kids don't care about sex.... well, I just don't think TV should be doing the teaching.... I think that is what my main objection is.... see, I personally doubt that if the vote was given to the actual population of Canada, and not the "representation".... that it wouldn't pass.... just because 150 people agree with it, that supposedly represent the views of half the population does not mean that at least half agrees with it.... and has no one realized what the conservative side wants? the conservative side wants marriage for men and women, and a "same sex union" of some sorts, that isn't called marriage, for the same sex unions.... I'm not quite sure why marriage needs to change if the conservative government will give that to same sex couples |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2761/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| They aren't saying "now these two men eat other's asses like boston cream donuts" or "only the wife of a man can get a white liquid temporary pearl necklace". They are telling kids to be accepting of different family scenarios. And be damned if I cared about sex when I was 10. I hadn't even had secondary sexual attributes appear until a few years after that. It isn't that the kids don't care about sex, there aren't graphic depictions of what gays do in the bedroom. It is about teaching tolerance. The Conservative side has been realized, and given the vocalization that they present (minus Belinda Stronach) they aren't gaining any friends in this fight. In fact, I wonder why people fight this. Marriage in and of itself is a fairly multi-religious and secular event joining two loving people. The exclusivity that the Conservatives are casting over it kind of ruins that. Gay people = straight people. Marriage = marriage. Plain and simple. Equal rights for all, no exceptions. Given the last Ipsos-Reid polls, approx. 60% of Canadians support SSM. That means more than half of Canada supports it. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 280/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| is marriage actually a right? | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2767/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| If it isn't, then by all means do what you will. Unfortunately, it is on the charter of rights and freedom. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 281/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| it is? where? I just looked and I didn't find the word marriage anywhere.... |
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Someguy Buzzy Beetle It seems as though the girl you've fallen for is also a pyromaniac. Level: 32  Posts: 173/397 EXP: 193329 For next: 13113 Since: 03-15-04 From: I'm proud to be an American... I think... Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Sorry for my lack of knowledge but with things I hear like about separation of church and state, what's the reasoning behind banning same sex marrage besides "My religion says it is wrong"? I haven't read up much and I just wanted to ask. Also from what I heard all that was said in this episode was something like "Here is my mom, and my stepmom." and "Wow, you have a lot of mothers!", though I may be wrong. | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2769/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| "In the 40 Buster episodes that were made, families have included Muslims, Orthodox Jews, Mormons and evangelical Christians. "The show is about children," Sullivan says. "It's not about their parents. It's about letting children validate children as children, regardless of the family they live in." " The evil and vile content of the show. JEWS. I can't believe they'd let kids learn about people with different faiths on national television! geeogree, it is an a amendment protecting basic human rights. If you're looking over the repatriated edition, you'll be loth to find it. 71% support (edited by Ziffski on 02-01-05 02:06 AM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6503/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| They have to learn about the concept somehow. I think that as long as you show it in a way that the children will understand without forcing any beliefs on them, it should be all right. Given that it's PBS, you could also plug the website and encourage parents/children to look at the material together. Ziff - I'm more concerned about the Mormons.  Seriously, I think it's great that a children's show promotes different cultures and faiths. That's what they should do. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 285/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| Colleen: don't worry about the Mormons.... there are worse things than the Mormons in this world... | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2776/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by geeogree What do you mean about "worse things than the Mormons in this world..."? I would just like some clarification on this statement. Colleen, I totally agree. The only way to smack down intolerance is to teach people from the crib that different cultures and different religions are way rad and cool. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 292/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| all I meant is that the mormons are by far not the worst thing in the world.... nor are they a group of people that needs to be worried about.... | |||
The Sage Of Time Blue Octorok Level: 12 Posts: 10/46 EXP: 7444 For next: 477 Since: 04-12-04 Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 13 min. |
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Originally posted by geeogree A little blind to sarcasm aren't you? |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 293/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| Sage: yeah, sarcasm really doesn't flow well over the internet! |
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