Originally posted by Ziffski

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I continue to smoke pot because its use is completely cultural to my Scythian forebears and its use predates that of alcohol.

The use of marijuana is not restricted by my faith, just public drunkeness. I've checked the New Testament and the Old Testament for negative mentiones of cannabis and hemp, and alas have found none.

That is the issue here, to knock it til' you've tried it. And if you don't want to try it, be quiet about it and let we who enjoy it do what we want with our bodies.

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Originally posted by The Dogan

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Personally, I believe that alcohol, tobacco, AND drugs are big problems. (So obviously I don't think that laws really reflect my thinking) Pot may be illegal but I find it sad that I am no longer surprised that people I know use drugs or have used them.(In a small town with less than 5,000) So, I find it as my duty to try and stop people I know from making dumb decisions.(After all, most people will get addicted to drugs, so I'd best warn them of its dangers) And I'm not one trying to control people's lives, only supporting my opinion.(Drugs are stupid)

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Originally posted by Zem

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Rollercoaster anology still applies. Sometimes people die on the rollercoaster. Do you go around telling everyone not to ride it and that they're dumb because they have inherent dangers?

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Originally posted by The Dogan

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Originally posted by Zem

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Rollercoaster anology still applies. Sometimes people die on the rollercoaster. Do you go around telling everyone not to ride it and that they're dumb because they have inherent dangers?

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Well, I didn't say that potsmokers are all dumb, just a lot. However, the rollercoaster thing does not apply because that is a natural danger. I could be staying in my house and still be at risk of it collapsing on me. Even though I can leave the house, how could I know that it's about to collapse? It's not necessarily something I control. The same applies to roller coasters but not really to drugs.

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Originally posted by The Dogan

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Originally posted by Zem

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Rollercoaster anology still applies. Sometimes people die on the rollercoaster. Do you go around telling everyone not to ride it and that they're dumb because they have inherent dangers?

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Well, I didn't say that potsmokers are all dumb, just a lot. However, the rollercoaster thing does not apply because that is a natural danger. I could be staying in my house and still be at risk of it collapsing on me. Even though I can leave the house, how could I know that it's about to collapse? It's not necessarily something I control. The same applies to roller coasters but not really to drugs.

Gavin: I prefer my cake with sprinkles of course. And by sprinkles, I assume you mean the standard jimmies.

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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins

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1. Ancestral peer pressure? omg XD

2. If you talk to any priest, I'm dead certain he would tell you it's not okay. If you want to rationalize your behavior, go ahead. The bible also doesn't mention heroin, crack, ecstasy, etc.

3. I've tried smoked and got high off marijuana more times than I can count. It's not for everyone. In fact, I have grown to loathe it. It does make me feel good, but in a way that is wholly unnatural to my personality. I'd rather just be myself and find other ways to feel good. But I do agree that people who haven't tried it don't have much room to criticize it, other than on generalizations of the people they know that use it.

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1. You'd be surprised how much culture the average Ukrainian retains.

2. Crack-cocaine and heroin weren't known to the Hebrews, and ecstasy was only invented in the past 50 years. How would they get in there? Incidentally, throughout all of the world there is evidence to support constant use of marijuana from upwards of 6000 BC. Interestingly the outlawing of hashish is fairly modern to Islam, and according to historians was promoted during their first contact with the British who looked down on the habit. In order to gain new technology they changed their ways. Just anecdotal, but still applicable.

3. Eh, you understand that you don't like it. It offers no benefit to you. No one is pushing it on you.

Originally posted by The Dogan

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Nick and Zem: The collapsing house example still applies.
Gavin: You expect me to be offended by you calling me gay? How childish.

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Originally posted by The Dogan

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I'm not telling anybody how to live their life. I am simply stating why I think it's bad. And everytime you guys lay an opposing viewpoint down directed at me, I respond. Except the difference is that I don't make fun at what you are doing. To me, drugs are a waste of time, money, and brain cells. And although the number of people I know who do it is astounding, it's still risky, because you CAN get caught.

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Arwon excerpt

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If you're a well-balanced person and use drugs in moderation it's not going to mess you up or kill you or whatever... if you're already fucked up drugs will probably make you worse.

At any rate, I find the puritanical abstinence mindset a little obnoxious and condescending. "Drug free and proud"? Meh. I enjoy a drink, I like the occasional joint, and fucked if people are gonna preach to me about how pure and righteous they are because they don't. It's obnoxious. No-one is better than someone else just because they abstain from some of the enjoyable things in life.

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Originally posted by The Dogan

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Also, another main point I have is that why try it and risk being addicted? And those of you who aren't addicted and try it occassionally, why? After all,it is never more pleasureful than the first time you try a drug.

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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins

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If you talk to any priest, I'm dead certain he would tell you it's not okay. If you want to rationalize your behavior, go ahead. The bible also doesn't mention heroin, crack, ecstasy, etc.

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