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Posted on 02-01-05 10:55 PM Link
Originally posted by Ziffski
Why not Nebetsu?

Because some people have weird sexual habits. Does that mean they shouldn't do it? (sans paedophiles). Because some people have bizzare religious rites, like eating flesh and drinking blood...Should they do it?

Nebetsu, before you go and tell people what they should/shouldn't do with their bodies, you should understand the issue. From what I gather, you don't really understand too much about marijuana and the cannabis culture as it stands.


You cant say that since cannabis is different for different people, that it must be ok to try. If anything, that's a reason NOT to do it, because of it being so unpredictable.
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Posted on 02-01-05 10:58 PM Link
There is a reason to not do ANYTHING unfortunately people do lots of things. If you want to sway people into not doing pot, be knowledgeable on the topic.

I, as a cannabis user, can tell you lots of reasons why to do it, but I never try to peer pressure my friends into trying it.
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Posted on 02-01-05 11:05 PM Link
Originally posted by Ziffski
I, as a cannabis user, can tell you lots of reasons why to do it, but I never try to peer pressure my friends into trying it.


lol. That's the kind of pot user that I like. People who do it, but dont try to get others into it.
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Posted on 02-01-05 11:19 PM Link
The current consensus over here is that Canabis will lead to psycological disorders if you are already vulnerable to it.
It does make sense. The effects of pot can have a huge impact of the body to first time users, and for people that are already fragile, it can break them.
That's why some people can smoke it day in, day out without any side effects at all. The reason the drug can be so dangerous is because people do turn to smoking, drinking and drugs during hard times.
For someone who's already been through a punnishing period, drugs can be tempting, and yet they may just be the worst thing that could ever happen to them.

That is how canabis is being defined as dangerous in the media at the moment.
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Drugs are just plain stupid. I mean I can see why someone would do it, but that doesn't mean it's a valid reason. I would say that people who do it to escape reality are stupid, but that's a little extreme.(depending on the case) They are cowards, in a sense, even though you can't really hide from reality. Also, after the first "hit", you can't ever experience the same rush ever again. So you'll always be hooked. And certain drugs, like Ecstasy are so damaging that they actually leave HOLES in your brain. It's one of the worst things you can do to yourself and is stupid in general. You can say what you want, but I really doubt that the majority of people are using drugs for medicinal reasons. (the "bad" drugs) Well Ziff, even if certain groups do something, it can still be condemned and I agree with it as long as there's a valid reason. Polygamy, for example. It's allowed in Islam(up to 4, you gotta treat them equally), but it's better that you don't do it. Drinking blood and eating human flesh maybe awkward, but it has no place in society. So I kind of agree with banning certain rights allowed in a religion. Such traditions like sati(Hindu ritual of wife jumping onto funeral pyre alive while husband is cremated) are not really the base of the religion; they can be taken out because they don't affect the beliefs of the religion but maintain stability. I also don't like how if one person does this(they obviously believe in it), like murderers, they aren't accepted. But if a large group of people do something collectively(religious rites), then it's ok.
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Posted on 02-02-05 01:41 AM Link
Ok, everybody who doesn't smoke pot or has never smoked pot before and says "You smoke pot to escape reality" is an idiot. By saying that you proved it. What do you wish to know if you have never experienced it?
I'm a pot user/dealer, and I know quite some things about pot. But I don't use it because I can't handle reality, I do it because it's fun.


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Posted on 02-02-05 02:11 AM Link
I didn't say thats the only reason, buttnut. And many things can be considered enjoyable, yet they are not preferable.
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Posted on 02-02-05 02:28 AM Link
Originally posted by The Dogan
Drinking blood and eating human flesh maybe awkward, but it has no place in society.


So, Holy Communion doesn't sit well anymore ?

I always love popping that one out during the debate.

I don''t see the cowardice in marijuana, Trunxy, I just see it as something like alcohol or tobacco. Its just that this one has had a libel called on by the government and is prohibited (wrongly). If self-enjoyment is cowardly, then I guess you should stop watching anime.
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Posted on 02-02-05 02:39 AM Link
I'm not going to withdraw my statement because it's part of the Holy Communion. Plus, it's not like I didn't know that before. I doubt that drinking the wine(blood of Christ) and eating the bread(flesh of Christ), has any meaning to people who don't believe in Eucharism. It doesn't pose any image of brutality or savage acts. Any enjoyment to an excess is harmful. I dont watch anime to an excess that my judgment skills are skewed. You really haven't said why you see marijuana as just a pleasure. Elaborate, please.
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YES THEY ARE. ANY ANIME IS EXCESS

Pot is simple enjoyment. I like the taste, the tactile pleasure of rolling the joint, and the social aspects fo sitting around with some friends and a good ol' fatty. I don't smoke it to forget (that's what drinking is for) I just smoke it to have some extra fun on the side.
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Posted on 02-02-05 02:50 AM Link
Originally posted by The Dogan
So, it's extra pleasure. AND you drink. Can't that be considered gluttony? (Of course, not of food, but pleasure in general)


I don't drink though

Why would I want to forget?

And gluttony only is in application of non-moderated jovulance. A glutton can be anyone, but in Catholic faith it only applies to those that feast far too often and ignore the feasts of the Saints.
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So you stopped drinking but still do drugs? Where's the moderation? As a Muslim concerned individual, drugs do more harm than good. And you can only see that if you learn to live without it. No human should ever feel the need to do such a thing. It's not doing anything for you. And I REALLY don't see how it's fun.
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Breathing shortens your life span. Every breath you take releases free-radicals into your bloodstream and causes molecular deterioration. As a concerned individual, I think we should all stop breathing...Oh wait.

Trunxy, I smoke up...Once a month. If that. I've learned to live without, since I don't have a highly addictive personality. I've quit drinking entirely. I continue to smoke pot because its use is completely cultural to my Scythian forebears and its use predates that of alcohol.

Besides, last I checked no human needs to go on a roller coasted, watch movies, pray to our God(s), drink coca-cola, live in a house, use the internet, draw pictures, wear fancy clothes, work for money, learn new languages, or be tolerant of other individuals (although every thing in that list is a good thing). Saying what humans need and don't need is somewhat thesious. The use of marijuana is not restricted by my faith, just public drunkeness. I've checked the New Testament and the Old Testament for negative mentiones of cannabis and hemp, and alas have found none.

And you don't see how its not fun because you've never tried. That is the issue here, to knock it til' you've tried it. And if you don't want to try it, be quiet about it and let we who enjoy it do what we want with our bodies.
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If you only smoke it once a month, why do you defend its use so much? And saying that it's a cultural Scythian thing doesn't legitimize it. Culture and tradition are things that can be avoided; your interests are determined by your choices, not by your genes. Breathing is something you can't live without. And since you don't have an addictive personality, I think smoking pot is something you CAN live without. It doesn't seem to really have any positive side effects. Your time wasted using pot can be used for other forms of enjoyment which are less harmful. You know it's harmful which is why you've limited its use.
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My little brother became scizophrenic appareantly from that. Well, not BECAME, he had a chemical imbalance, but smoking marijuana caused an even bigger one, sending him into his delusional state. But, now that he knows what pot did to him, would he take it all back? Hell no! He still smokes pot! So this "study" won't do much in scare tactics.

And you can live without smoking pot, sure, but you can also live without driving a car, without money, eating cake, or the internet, but it's still nice to have these things, isn't it? I don't smoke pot either, but if someone else wants to, LET THEM! It makes them happy and it doesn't put anyone else at harm. If they fuck up their lives, I'll be damned if it's because of marijuana, they're just a piece of crap person in the first place.
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I find it funny that no one would care about the dangers of pot that don't exist if it was legal.
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I find it funny that no one would care about the dangers of pot that don't exist if it was legal.


Oh, they would. Just as people commonly point out the dangers of alcohol and tobacco.

It should be legal, or those two substances should be made illegal.
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Well, that's kinda what I meant.

I'd bet the majority of the U.S. is for alcohol and tobacco, while being against pot, simply because "omg rofl brb bak pot is il eagle".
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Originally posted by windwaker
Well, that's kinda what I meant.

I'd bet the majority of the U.S. is for alcohol and tobacco, while being against pot, simply because "omg rofl brb bak pot is il eagle".


That's the major reason. Up here in Canada, all but one major party supports the decriminilization/legalization of marijuana. In fact, the marijuana party, in the total amount of ridings got just over 1% of the vote. Although not much, they're not too far behind the federally funded Green party with 4% and out pace the Communist party by a full 1%.

Impressive that about 16 000 people voted for them, given that about 46% of Canadians voted federally.
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Personally, I believe that alcohol, tobacco, AND drugs are big problems. (So obviously I don't think that laws really reflect my thinking) Pot may be illegal but I find it sad that I am no longer surprised that people I know use drugs or have used them.(In a small town with less than 5,000) So, I find it as my duty to try and stop people I know from making dumb decisions.(After all, most people will get addicted to drugs, so I'd best warn them of its dangers) And I'm not one trying to control people's lives, only supporting my opinion.(Drugs are stupid)
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