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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 4913/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by GavinWell then you should probably take a course on reading comprehension, since at no recent point has he said anything to that effect. (edited by Kyouji Craw on 02-04-05 11:22 PM) (edited by Kyouji Craw on 02-04-05 11:27 PM) |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 473/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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Originally posted by Kyouji Craw you should probably take a course on shutting the hell up. oh! i kid, i kid  who exactly were you reffering to? (edited by Gavin on 02-04-05 11:24 PM) (edited by Gavin on 02-04-05 11:25 PM) |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1063/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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It basically is anarchy on the Internet. You can do whatever the hell you want.  But that is no reason for ignoring the fact that the standards are for a STANDARD way of viewing pages. If he so wishes to not use them, then so be it. If his page looks shit in Firefox (my browser) but not in IE, I'm gonna leave it. If it looks shit in IE, but not Firefox, then it probably means he used the standards anyway and I'm not gonna care about his use of standards. (edited by FreeDOS on 02-04-05 11:28 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1072/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Method A. Looks like complete shit in the source, but gets the job done and looks perfectly fine in all browsers that don't suck (see "non-text browsers" because we left the stone age a long time ago) and has no extreme problems spare a misplaced text box. Wooooooopdiedo. READ THE THREAD. IT DOES NOT FUNCTION THE EXACT SAME, NOR WOULD IT MAKE THE SOURCE TWICE AS LONG. In any case; knuck was all "HTML suks i r n3v3r youse it l0l w3c suks dosent no how 2 amke sites gud.", hence this argument starting. |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 5144/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| You know, I did let this go on when knuck told me the first time OMG HIRYUU DON'T CLOSE but this is getting ridiculous. If any mod wants to open this back up for a good reason, then have at it...but this thread is just the same several people arguing back and forth when they could do it in IRC or AIM. Do it there. Obviously you guys are preaching to each other and no one gives two shits about each others opinion. You should've been dead about four pages ago. [closed] |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 1843/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| I'm reopening this thread to tell you all that you have no fucking idea whatsoever what you're talking about. HTML is a markup language conforming to the SGML standard. A more rigid fork of SGML with a simpler syntax was created. It's called XML. XHTML 1.0 is a reformulation of HTML 4.01 in XML instead of SGML. XHTML 1.1 and later will be the new versions of HTML, since XML is (generally) easier to parse. The problems people experience with XHTML is that they're running a web browser using either a parser built especially for HTML (and will therefore need hacks to function with both XHTML and HTML at the same time) or an XML parser with simple HTML logic. The XML parser solution fails a lot because the XML spec says explicitly that you MUST stop parsing a page after the first error; however noone the fuck closes their tags, quotes their attributes or use everything the way it's meant to use. Not because they're inherently lazy, but because they got away with it in HTML and have become accustomed to it. Second: Originally posted by ElricWhat the hell. PHP and ASP are constructed to generate HTML in the end. They are not some version 2.0 of HTML. It's like saying a pig is version 2.0 of pig poop. They output HTML. People use PHP and ASP because they don't want static pages. HTML is inherently static; the only way to change an actual HTML document is to output a different version of it, which is what PHP and ASP both do. DHTML is a fancy label for javascript code whose main purpose is to fiddle with other elements in an HTML page to form effects in one way or another. Congratulations. You've proved exactly nothing besides the fact that you don't have any idea what any of this constitutes or how different parts of web development fit together. Ownage has totally evaded being made by you. Another example, the ongoing rambles about tag omission being good. Missing the point yet again. CSS was invented to help raise the bar regarding formatting granularity and reuse of specific styles when it comes to displaying HTML. Cutting down every table or font tag by three bytes might save bandwidth. CSS, used ideally, saves more. Anything else but cutting your markup down to the absolute minimum in a semantic way - using < XHTML and HTML 4.01 both help with this goal as the < Come bring your five-miles-off conclusions here, and I'll show you why you're wrong. I don't want to act like this, but it's obvious by reading the posts in this thread that a lot of you are so far off the mark with most of your posts - Elric's post isn't an exception, it's emblematic of this whole thread - that you need to be told how it is. |
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Black Lord Level: 34 Posts: 171/453 EXP: 235639 For next: 18012 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nebraska, what's a Nebraska Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I missed all the mudslingin' yesterday, but I've come to realize 1/2 of us have our heads up our asses and the others have our heads in the skies... while few seem to be stuck in reality. To the ones with the heads up the asses: No. 1, realize that standards are a good thing. I'm sure as hell you'd get pissed if you went to a site and it didn't work in your browser of choice because someone doesn't know how to properly design the page. No. 2, no you don't have to conform to the standards, as there is much freedom on the net, but yet there is no reason to bash the standards which will make the internet better. The ones in the skies: Come down off your clouds and realize that not everyone is gonna go by the standards, either because they're: lazy, stubborn, or their heads are up their asses. Deal with it and leave em be. Now the ones in reality... yes it would be nice to have proper markup on the board, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen anytime soon. And for my last words of advise... That we all grow up and learn to deal with it... |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 477/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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i'm going to simply re-state:Originally posted by Gavin and thanks Jesper for originally answering the question on the first page before it got out of hand. |
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Narf Hi Tuvai! (reregistering while banned) Level: 16  Posts: 36/100 EXP: 17634 For next: 2622 Since: 12-26-04 Since last post: 22 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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Originally posted by JesperIt's not like we (Gavin, windwaker, Vystrix, myself, etcetera) haven't tried that. As you can see, it doesn't have much of an effect. Some people apperantly just disgust the standards, why they do leaves me wondering, but they do. |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1073/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| It's about the same concept of serial killers. Few people understand why, they just break law because they can. | |||
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Zem You can be civil without being flowery, dipshits. Level: 49 Posts: 722/1107 EXP: 829398 For next: 54485 Since: 06-13-04 Since last post: 131 days Last activity: 131 days |
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| I'd like to add something, even though Jesper already rocked everyone's face off: To everyone who said the w3c "shoves their standards down your throat" or something (Elric mostly, wtf dude), look at what you do to make links change colors when you mouse over them. Did all the major browsers simultaneously implement CSS capability on a whim? No, the W3C made CSS the standard and then browsers started implementing it. That's how it works. The browsers are built around the standard. The problem is, most HTML is built around the browsers, not the standard, and the browsers are lenient in their interpretation because user-friendly is the thing to be. The web is, and always has been, about accessibility. Right now the major browsers are, apparently, IE and Mozilla (and, just to appease Xkeeper, Opera). Everyone can access it (ostensibly) and everyone can add to it (ideally). That means not everyone's going to do things the same way, and that's fine. However, if you want the maximum amount of people to visit a site, it helps a lot if it's accessible by everyone. The reason there's a standard is that poeple are supposed to be able to access the web through more than just the selection of browsers created by large companies. Anyone can see how to write proper HTML, and anyone can write a user agent (browser) that can interpret it. If there wasn't a standard, then right now html usage would be dictated by IE alone. Any other browser would be more like a clone attempt than a true alternative. Now, many of you might say that if someone wasn't using a major browser and wanted to access the board, they could just go fuck themselves. Okay, the board code works in the major browsers. And most poeple use the major browsers. And most poeple won't care if poeple who don't use the major browsers can't access the site. I'll grant that. After a lot of tweaking and bugfixing, the board's messy code works for most people. That's true. No denying it. I'll just stop there, I lost my train of thought. (edited by Zem on 02-12-05 01:31 AM) (edited by Zem on 02-12-05 01:42 AM) (edited by Zem on 02-12-05 01:42 AM) (edited by Zem on 02-12-05 01:45 AM) |
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