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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51  Posts: 1082/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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| Oh, the whole world can agree on it. Doesn't matter. We've proposed this before, we've pleaded to Acmlm to 'take back his board', 'demote everyone and list people yourself' and so on and so forth. I wouldn't mind Emuz doing it either, problem is that I don't know if he knows who's active on the board and who's not. Or if that's going to matter at all if they'd do it. |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 1150/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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I couldn't disagree with that, at all. However, they've got to choose to do it first, and I feel pretty disappointed with all of us that we couldn't make it work ourselves  |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 196/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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Originally posted by JizukoOk that is very understandable, and you're probably right. Originally posted by JizukoThis part I don't quite agree with totally. I mean, Emuz always has the option of simply looking at the posts over the last month or so and decide for himself. I realize he may not have been active during that period, but that shouldn't prevent him from learning who was. |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51 Posts: 1084/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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Originally posted by ||bassThis part I don't quite agree with totally. I mean, Emuz always has the option of simply looking at the posts over the last month or so and decide for himself. I realize he may not have been active during that period, but that shouldn't prevent him from learning who was.True. Aslong as he would do just that. The past few months. Not the whole postcount itself. (And actually participation in staff forum, of course, if new mods would be elected, you can't see that. But maybe it's just me that value that high |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 1106/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by ||bass Seriously, that seems like an excellent idea for this place, Acmlm's Board. Something I've always said: Staff should not be a right, a want, or a need. Being staff is a privelage. Yiffy Kitten has clearly given us some good points. But I'm not taking a side, both sides are argueable. Seriously though, what will this achieve? This thread has dragged on enough, and clearly states a fact. Something on this board is messed up and needs to be worked with. After reading the logs, the way staff was handled does seem a bit odd. But I must ask Yiffy Kitten, if you wouldn't mind, a few questions. Why did you post, contribute to Acmlm's in the beginning? Why did you continue? Was it to have fun? If so, then being staff shouldn't be the most important thing here, which you've clearly stated isn't. And a question for the other side. Even if the majority of the board were to vote for "Strongly Agains't" a staff rehaul, would that have really mattered? Would you have continued with it anyways? But Yiffy Kitten makes good points that both he and ||bass paid for this place. Doesn't that show a strong line of support and dedication? Basing staff off of posts is also a little lame, but Colleen and others have proven that wasn't really the entire point. Both sides are completely argueable. But as I said before, this 7 page thread (and going on) is nothing but solid, and elite proof, that this board is in a situation that cannot be left alone, and should be dealt with, finished. (edited by Xeogred on 01-27-05 05:19 PM) (edited by Xeogred on 01-27-05 05:21 PM) (edited by Xeogred on 01-27-05 05:22 PM) (edited by Xeogred on 01-27-05 05:22 PM) |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1151/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 1776/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by XeogredLet's not fool ourselves or jump to conclusions. Yes, it shows a strong line of support and dedication, and I admire anyone for helping pay. However, this doesn't mean that there aren't others that wouldn't cough up in a heartbeat if the board was in serious trouble. I see your "the PayPal button was there", and I raise you by "it was for emunet support" and "there are other payment methods than PayPal". That said, I'd love to add to the board's "funds" any day now. If Emuz is reading this, he's welcome to contact me and I'd gladly add a few bucks to the funds. Speaking of Emuz, has anyone even considered the fact that it would take a long time for Emuz and Acmlm to read up a fair bit of recent history on every staff member, potential, current and perhaps past? I'd say we let this stand for now, and allow the next reconstruction - whenever it comes - to follow that model. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1260/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by XeogredThere IS a reason, after all, the board owner himself released the log of what went on in the chat. And then someone in the Staff Forums says, "I'd like to take a moment to thank Acmlm, for in the words of his pal Yiffy Kitten, stabbing us all in the back. Also kudos to whoever supplied Krel with the log of our private conversation." Some nerve, eh? The board owner is a backstabber? If that were the case, there wouldn't be a board. He'd stab us in the back and take it down. But hey, at least he (unknowingly) gave Acmlm kudos for releasing the log. Sarcasm or not, it was a good thing it got out. After all, if there were nothing BAD in that log, or nothing that wouldn't bother someone if it DID get out, then the people wouldn't be bitching about it in the staff forums, would they? Oh, let me tell you... they are NOT happy that the log got out. But, unfortunatley, not many people have probably read it by this point. It's too late in the thread and a lot of people are far too lazy to read the entire thing - especially a long conversation like that. I suppose I COULD demand a place on staff from Emuz since I donated, but 1) Where would that get me? and 2) I donated NOT so I could be on staff. I donated to HELP A CAUSE I LIKED. I was already an admin for at least a full year, if not two, when I donated. If, ahead of time, the poll about the staff overhaul clearly said "Not many changes will be made. This isn't actually an overhaul, it's more like a Spring Cleaning ordeal", how many people would have said yes to THAT? The people voted for a STAFF RECONSTRUCTION. That means tearing down your current foundation, taking the old blocks along with new ones, and placing them in the places they best fit. Not pulling out cornerstones and leaving their spot empty so the foundation can crumble~ |
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Krel Goomba Level: 9 Posts: 14/22 EXP: 2227 For next: 935 Since: 07-24-04 Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 64 days |
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| Yes, it's clear that Acmlm and Emuz both taking charge and doing something strongly in response to all this is far overdue. With the exception of Rydain, they've just been "Sure, whatever" through the entire thing, and that's what's caused all this dissent, really. Whole thing lacks legitimacy =/ | |||
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81 Posts: 1108/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by Jesper When I first read that I was given the impression that a "staff reconstruction" is the pure norm, and happens often here. It sounded funny. But after thinking about it, you prove an interesting and good point. Nobody should expect to be staff forever. |
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Toxic in a sublime state of mind Level: 75  Posts: 2379/2857 EXP: 3732709 For next: 94195 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| xD I'm glad Yiffy Kitten and our MYSTERIOUS FRIEND can so wittingly supply so much sarcasm, but yet not recognize any himself. HILARIOUS to say the least |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51 Posts: 1085/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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Originally posted by Yiffy KittenIt's the same reason Private Forums like Private area and Spam/abuse forums is NOT public to everyone. Isn't that kinda obvious? It should not concern users who is on staff. They will most likely not notice anyway. And that might be your opinion, but I think the poll would've had just the same result if we would've said that. As for the rest, hah, that high horse of you seem to require alot of feeding. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1261/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Well, my mysterious friend, Acmlm certianally didn't view it in that manner. And I can't blame him. After all, it doesn't really sound like it wasn't meant in at least some minor way. It really sounds like a "Brutally honest" opinion of a mysterious friend of mine, eh? [14:56:35] < [14:56:45] < [14:57:16] < [14:57:19] < [14:57:26] < [14:58:34] < [14:58:37] < [14:58:50] < |
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Toxic in a sublime state of mind Level: 75 Posts: 2381/2857 EXP: 3732709 For next: 94195 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Oh gotcha. I guess because I didn't add any LOL's or ROFLMAOS or anything, it didn't seem sarcastic. A hundred thousand apologies. And since it's cool to leak stuff, here's what I edited it to, so that we can all see how silly and sarcastic it is tee hee lolers OMG AKMLM STAB WIT THE LOG LOLOL |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1334/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Re: Deconstruct Staff and left Acmlm and Emuz rebuild it: I'm not exactly sure what problem this will solve. As I understand it, part (If not ALL) of the complaint about the way it was done this time was that there was an imbalance of power somewhere. If it's done this way, the problem with one sde having all the power merely shifts from The so-called Colleen-Hiryuu-Anya triumverate to, more than likely, "Those presently on staff who are buddy-buddy with Acmlm and/or Emuz". I honestly can't help but there's some ulterior motive here (Acmlm said on IRC last night that he's "Longtime friends with Yiffy Kitten", and I don't think Tom would deny that his chances of remaining on staff, justified or not, are almost certain with this new method he proposes). In other words, the "imbalance of power" merely shifts, rather than being eliminated, particularly if Acmlm lacks his own opinion as much as the "He doesn't say SHIT, EVER" comment seems to imply. Nonetheless, if it will get people to shut up about this whole thing, I wouldn't mind it myself, particularly if Acmlm AND Emuz go through with it. (edited by Emptyeye on 01-27-05 06:42 PM) |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 434/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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well honestly the acception to "favoritism" should be extended to Acmlm. Considering, you know, he owns the board.  |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1262/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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No, I'm pretty sure I wouldnt be put on staff again after this. I know I "Ruined my chances". As long as the current administration is in place, that is. You're all having fun at my expense in the staff forums.  At least out here, you're as mortal as I am. And besides, I wouldnt WANT to be on staff at a place where I'm not appreciated. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 1778/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| If you think we're having fun at your expense, you need to show us your definition of fun. We're trying to straighten out old guidelines for rules, finalize the promotions and generally get some work done to get the staff reconstruction - the third definition of 'reconstruct' reads "To cause to adopt a new attitude or outlook" and you may or may not agree - over as quickly as possible (smoothly is no longer an option, and we also have work and school to attend to) and get the transition for the new mods as smooth as possible. Few times has the whole staff been as active as this when it comes to staff matters. Let's not try to discredit that just because some of us defend decisions "out here", or hang in IRC, or still doubt what you did and appearently happen to find comic relief in it - the only references to your demotion in the staff forums have been about how to handle this, not ones going LOL LOOK AT TG HES SO STOOPID. Emptyeye, in my eyes the majority of the current staff has earned Acmlm's respect already and the new staff will probably end up looking similar to the current one. I promise that you can quote me on that later on. It's not important what we end up with, but how we end up with it. A staff selected by "spin the bottle" and a staff selected by Acmlm and Emuz personally would appear very different even if they were the same staff lineup. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1335/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I personally stand by everything I've said about the whole thing, whether in public or private forums. Although I didn't make the original decision for this particular demotion, I can't say I disagree with it. Anyway, as I said, I would be open to a complete reconstruction, particularly if it ends all the drama. I doubt it will happen in the short term, though. |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51 Posts: 1088/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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| I understand how the coincidences in the committee's organization and decision may be seen as suspicious, and I myself would be a little suspicious of them if I was on the outside, but I'm afraid there's nothing left that I can do to dissuade them. At the end, you only have my word that no foul play was committed, and that's going to have to be enough. Sorry to those who won't be satisfied by this. I did not want to make any enemies through this. I did not want to disrespect anyone with this. All I took into regard was activity for the past few months. Not if I'm friends with them, not if they are the ones that put me into an admin position (I'd like to thank blades and Yiffy Kitten for all my staff positions, I don't forget where I come from). Me suggesting anyone to be demoted is definately not because I dislike them but either that we don't need them right now (if a forum is overstaffed for example, this usually doesn't apply to fullmods or admins) or they're just not active enough. By my standards, which is the past .. 3 months or so. And how much they do in private forums. Again, I'm sorry if anyone thought this was personal or suspicious. This has all caused me a great deal of pain, as I'm sure it has for others too. |
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) As we've discussed many times, rydain has not much postcount but she's active lately and all that, yeah, I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say.