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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 372/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| ...yep. It seems like the service is going to remain the same, but we won't really know until it happens. I just hope the new TOS doesn't turn out to be annoyingly anal-retentive, which sometimes happens in order to make corporate lawyers happy. At least I have Meow Mix to fall back on if I don't like what LJ becomes, but I'd miss the friend- and community-based features that got me onto LJ to begin with. Then again, maybe I could convince all of my good friends on LJ to jump ship to DeadJournal instead.  Eh, let's just wait and see... |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6042/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| ...Oh boy. Considering how they pretty much ruined MT with the licensing plan, I don't like the sound of this. On paper based on Brad's announcement, it sounds good but something's going to come up with that TOS. If not now, then within the next 12-18 months. |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 373/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Yeah...that licensing debacle is exactly why I'm concerned. Six Apart doesn't seem like an evil heartless corporation or anything, and I think they generally mean well, but that mess showed that they're capable of making sweeping changes without having much of a clue as to how much said changes will piss off their userbase. Thus, I'm thinking that a similar bomb is going to drop sometime in the future. They did make some changes to that licensing scheme based on the massive resultant outcry, but it's still more restrictive than it was, and the entire incident was still unpleasant. I also worry that they might try to squeeze more profit out of LJ by tossing ads in (which, under the new TOS, is possible), which would really chafe my ass if those ads showed up on my paid account. I found the link to the new TOS, and it honestly seemed like pretty standard stuff, but from what I gathered by reading the comment thread, there are issues I didn't know about or consider. For example, celebrity roleplaying communities can be considered impersonation, but LJ staff looks the other way because they have disclaimers that make it obvious that they're just joking around. I also wonder if buying and selling over LJ is going to fall under forbidden commercial activities, which would really fuck over one of my friends who is trying to get a jewelry and knitting business off the ground. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2416/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Does this affect many of us in any way?  Just wondering. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 1541/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| They've pretty much said that nothing much will change, only that they'll be given more resources. I wouldn't be surprised if TrackBack and TypeKey started popping up (TB's confirmed, even), but I don't see this turning into TypePad any day now. LJ has been a stable operation for about twice as long as TypePad's been around, they already make money, and they have vowed to stay open source. I don't see a problem here. | |||
Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7116/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| It's not gonna affect me directly anyway, since I use DJ and all. Thought thoose community based journals are quite efficient, like having all your friends journal posts on the same page. I seldom check each persons journal seperatly infact...  |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 4641/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Not a biggie for me, since I do have an account, but I usually use my DJ account more. Though a few people that I know might get a bit T'd off at it if it screws around with their accounts. | |||
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sharkz i build a house Level: 10  Posts: 30/30 EXP: 4016 For next: 398 Since: 03-15-04 From: PA, US Since last post: 299 days Last activity: 66 days |
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| I actually read this via Slashdot before lj_news,and I don't even read slashdot every day, I was just lucky. I say lucky because my webhost had been bought out for about a month before I noticed. Rydain pretty much expressed my sentiments. I mean, I'm pretty sure that things will stay good, but I do have a slight uneasy "buyout" feeling. I, like rydain, have a paid account. I do feel good knowing that the Danga staff will be going to work for Six Apart, knowing that unlike my host [Fuitad, actually..], the creator still has his hand in it. Probably, I think, if things became really bad I'd try running the lj code on my own [for me and my friends]. Even though I'd probably need a dedicated server, or several. (edited by sharkz on 01-06-05 09:19 PM) (edited by sharkz on 01-06-05 09:37 PM) |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1214/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I have both an LJ and a DJ, so no biggie for me. And I'm VERY weary of this. Yeah, they say nothing's going to change, but so did CJayC of GameFAQs when CNet bought them. He then proceeded to dismiss concerns for roughly a year as things started changing, with a "small change, don't worry about it." And then, of course, the debacle that was the board merger pretty much convinced me that CJayC had fallen to some Wizard of Oz-type figure, where he was desperately trying to show the public he was still in control. While this doesn't affect me as directly, I'm naturally distrustful of any buyout of this type. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6045/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I'd agree about Six Apart not being evil or anything - I mean, can you really look at Ben and Mena and see evil on their faces? The picture of innocence. The jury's out, I guess. It's one thing to make a minor TOS change that only pisses off 10 people, it's another thing if it ends up ticking off 10% of your userbase. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7125/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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You know, it could always been Microsoft buying LJ.  And well... Gamefaqs... sometimes I even wonder why they bothered to change the forum system. And the look.. I liked the old one. :/ |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6049/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I'm one of the few people who actually doesn't MIND the look of the new GameFAQs site. The forums, bleh. But the site itself is fine. |
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Karadur Fire Snake  Level: 48  Posts: 532/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by Colleen Same here I honestly didn't like how the old site was laid out I don't know too much about what their forums were like back then and now, but I'm willing to bet they haven't changed too much.As for the LiveJournal thing, I hope nothing too serious, if anything at all goes wrong there. I had an account there, but I haven't updated it in a long time, so I figure next time I find myself at the site, I'll just set it to be deleteable I'm not really one for writing in blogs anyways |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 378/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by Jesper Six Apart did make it clear that they like LJ because it's oriented towards communities and writing for groups of friends, which is drastically different from the model of TypePad (and "normal" blog sites in general). Sure, you can have blogrolls and subscribe to your friends' RSS feeds and whatnot, but it's not the same because certain features get extremely unwieldy when you're not dealing with a single system. One example: filtered posts that only specific groups of people get access to. Because TypePad is just a bunch of MT blogs that Six Apart hosts for people, doing something similar on that service would be a real pain because you'd have to have a separate login for each friend's journal so you could see their posts. Of course, you have a single account for the entirety of LJ, so that feature works nicely there. Anyway, the point of all of that is I believe them when they say that they're not trying to bump us all over to TypePad. I also agree that the technical improvements and development sound good. I am just concerned that subtle differences in company culture and vision might eventually lead to negative changes in LJ policy. For instance, though LJ is making money (as you said), what if somebody decides that it isn't enough? LJ's original management seemed content with making enough to pay for servers, bandwidth, and the team's salary. They didn't have to worry about keeping stock profitable. In the future, management at Six Apart could very well decide that LJ needs to be making more money and take measures like increasing prices and putting ads on the service. We also don't know how lenient they'll be with regard to content. I can certainly understand BALEETing blatantly illegal stuff like, say, child porn, but if management takes a strict approach towards enforcing rules against vulgar content, will adults get in trouble for swearing and talking about sex? Does anyone here happen to have some idea of Six Apart's TypePad content standards? (At a glance, the new LJ TOS' section on content that you agree not to post looks pretty similar to TypePad's.) If they're lenient, then it won't likely be problematic, but that still leaves the larger issue of policies diverging over time. (And nobody has given a definitive word about whether people will be allowed to buy/sell/trade their stuff in the new service or whether that will fall under forbidden commercial activities.) It appears that everyone wants to keep LJ running as is, but corporate mergers don't always go as planned, and like I said, the future is unknown. I don't think anyone seriously believes that LJ is going to implode overnight, though.  |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 478/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| If Six Apart is smart, they'll know that the LJ community will be very fickle about changes... if they fuck with too much stuff, people could start bailing en masse. And once that happens, it's all over, since the main advantage of LJ is that everyone has one. I think Rydain's concerns are valid, though, and we'll just have to wait and see. | |||
windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 949/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Smart kid, selling that for millions  .Makes you wonder... something like LJ would be so easy to code. |
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