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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - General Gaming - Zelda, OoT, MM, and TWW timeline theories |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 446/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Ok well without reading the rest of the posts, my understanding is that Legend of Zelda 2 -Adventures of Link (or whatever) is the latest in the series. Before that is the original Zelda. Then Link to the past is a prequel to that (hence, "to the Past"), and the Link and Zelda in there are of a different generation, the maidens being decendants of the sages you meet in Ocarina of time, where there's another generation of Link and Zelda. Link's Awakening is supposed to be in the same life time of Link to the Past Link. So if WW happens 100 years later, it's just another generation of Link and Zelda. |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 619/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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Originally posted by KoolooLimpah The problem with this is that Link probably would not of left Hyrule if Ganondorf was still a threat. That's the main problem with fitting Majora's Mask into the storyline. OoT works fine except for the ending; does Link leave Hyrule to it's fate of being taken over by Ganon? Yes, Ganon is eventually defeated, but not before killing people and destroying Hyrule Castle Town, I have a feeling Link would not leave if Hyrule was not safe. Also, in the opening and manual of Majora's Mask it suggest that Link had saved Hyrule not only in the future, but in the past as well. This must mean that Ganon was also sealed in the past as well as the future. This leads to a split in the timeline in which Majora's Mask occurs. Therefore, since WW happens centuries after OoT, Majora's Mask maybe never happened in the timeline where WW exists. The timeline goes a bit like this... 1st(?) Link... OoT (stated by the creators to be the 'Imprisoning War' talked about in ALttP's backstory, and clearly that makes sense) {MM} (in it's own alternate little timeline, it doesn't affect the plot anyway so no worries) Centuries later, after Ganon's return and Hyrule's flooding... 2nd Link... WW (I haven't finished WW yet, so I don't know what happens with the Triforce at the end, no spoilers please, I'll find out) More centuries later... 3rd Link. ALttP Link's Awakening (don't get me started, it happens after ALttP, don't start arguing about it, it's pointless, there's no reason to suggest it shouldn't) 4th Link... Link and Zelda don't know each other so it's a new Link again... Oracle of Seasons & Ages (it's best to put it here for a few reasons... First, basic the similarities to ALttP and LA, second, the Triforce is complete and in Hyrule Castle, so it probably occurs after ALttP, and it occurs after Ganon was completely destroyed, and there is talk of a 'Dark Realm', and Agahnim even makes an appearance) Somewhere along the line a king places the Triforce of Courage in the Great Temple, and a princess called Zelda (what a coincidence) gets put to sleep. 5th Link... The Legend of Zelda The Adventure of Link And that's it. I'm not going to worry about the Four Swords games and Minish Cap yet because I haven't finished them, but I have a feeling it's a seperate Link again. I THINK it goes... Minish Cap (Vaati is unknown...) Four Swords Adventures (Vaati kidnaps maidens, I believe...) Four Swords (Zelda tells Link the story of FSA at the start?) There may be seperate Links for each of the three games, even. FS and FSA have different Links, Minish Cap and FSA *might* have the same Link. Ah, best not to get into that yet. (edited by Fyxe on 01-08-05 12:34 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 939/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| No, no, no. Link already "sealed" Hyrule's fate at the end of OoT. Here, imagine this. You go into the future seven years, and talk to someone, then go back. When you progress seven years, you'll see yourself talk to the person; Link had already saved Hyrule in the future, all they had to do was wait until that happened, that's why "Link appeared out of nowhere". |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 969/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| What I don't understand is Ganon's fate after OoT. Although I haven't completed WW, is that the Ganon that was sealed away in space from the end of OoT? |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 3194/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by Xeogred Yes, he is the same one. |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81 Posts: 973/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by DarkSlayaOriginally posted by Xeogred Gah, maybe I should try to finish that game a learn "how" he got out.  Honestly WW just wasn't that great in my opinion, but it was still a Zelda game. |
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KoolooLimpah Mini Octorok Level: 6  Posts: 8/10 EXP: 554 For next: 353 Since: 12-30-04 From: Yes please. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Except that the Legend of the Fairy in WW is a direct reference to MM. WW doesn't explain "how" he escaped, sadly enough. =/ |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2318/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I smell the new Zelda game explaining how Ganondorf escaped. | |||
Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7150/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Well, WW gave me more questions than answaring. Like it suggests that Hyrule in later games is... well. Spoiler: Not the orginal Hyrule, infact the "boat" which actually was a king. Says along the lines that it's better to find a new land and call it Hyrule than drying up the old one which is under the sea. I really need to play through Wind waker again...  I keep wondering if the new Zelda is a new link altogether or an "reuse" of an existing link. I lean towards "new". Majoras mask was practically an "search for a beloved friend", Link was sorta taking a vacetation. It wasn't meant to have much with the Zelda timeline as a said earlier. And consider the fact that the game is around three days that continue to repeat... Link wouldn't be gone for that long in a way. >.> But well, it's possibly that there is two timelines. Zelda is far from the only game that have that thing *cough*RA2*cough*, but things would get confusing from there.  |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 940/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| GOD, WHAT WW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >( | |||
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 620/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker Link *always* appears out of nowhere in all the games, you can't rely too much on the legend at the start of WW, but that's beside the point really... The point comes down to; when Link first awakens in seven years, have his experiences when he *returns* to the past via the Temple of Time already happened in the future (example; exploring the Spirit Temple and locating the Silver Gauntlets)? Or do they only affect the future ONCE he goes back and does them? This would not change whether Link actually has the Silver Guantlets or not (clearly he doesn't when he first arrives), but it would change whether they have already been collected by the young Link. Because, if everything Link has done when he returns to the past has already happened as soon as Link appears in the future, then yes, you are right, and the fate is sealed. However, IF the future only changes once Link has returned to the past, then the timelines *must* split apart. This doesn't change much but it DOES mean the fate is *not* sealed and it may be perfectly possible that Ganon is sealed in both the past and future. The main problem again comes down to whether Link would really leave Hyrule to it's fate of being overrun by Ganon or not, and of course whether he had any choice. If there's a *direct* referance to MM in WW I'll accept that the fate must be somewhat sealed and so Link must of left Hyrule. He didn't stay in Termina, though. Anyway, just to point out to everyone, Ganon is Ganon and it's the same Ganon over and over and over. He has a good memory, too. Link and Zelda can be seen as 'reincarnations' of both a hero and a princess, although they are not aware of this. As for how Ganon keeps returning, it's never explained exactly how Ganon keeps coming back to life, let alone how he escaped the Sacred Realm in WW. ALttP shows it's possible so might as well just accept that he can and no need to bother thinking about it too much. Ziffski, you can bet they will never explain how Ganon escaped. The Adventure of Link and the Oracle games talk about ways to revive Ganon after his death, though. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 948/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Because, if everything Link has done when he returns to the past has already happened as soon as Link appears in the future, then yes, you are right, and the fate is sealed. However, IF the future only changes once Link has returned to the past, then the timelines *must* split apart. Yes, but everything in the future being erased wouldn't make sense, would it?  I'm glad someone knows what I was trying to say (talking about the future/past is hard sometimes  If anyone talks to me in this thread, address me as windwaker, thanks. IT GETS TOO HARD >(. |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81 Posts: 979/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| *Link awakens from his deep slumber and finds himself back at his Uncle's household across from Hyrule Castle. "Dang, that sure was a weird dream. I was roaming around on a boat that talked? Hyrule flooded? How did Ganon escape? I was Cel Shaded" *Link then remembers his dream about waking the Wind Fish. "Dang, hate it when I have those weird dreams." That's probably a good explanation.  |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 621/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker Very hard, time travel can be a pain in the ass. You're right, the future being erased wouldn't make sense, which is why I was pointing out that the timelines split apart. Meaning that there's more than one 'future', lots of different alternate futures due to time travel. However, if it is true that everything that Link does when he returns to the past has already happened in the future, then there's no need to worry about timelines splitting. It's a nice way of looking at it but it still makes me wonder why Link's quest was over once he returned as a child. Maybe he too knew fate was sealed... |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 951/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Xeo: these games can all be connected; there ARE multiple Link's . And yeah, I'm assuming that after the end of OoT, Link goes off to MM, then going off forever and never going back to Hyrule. Then a new Link is reincarnated in TWW. It even SAYS that in the game. |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 624/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| Everyone knows there's more than one Link, unless they're deluding themselves. The fact is that the time between games adds up to centuries, Link seems to miraculously forget things, and people forget him. I hate it when people say Wind Waker didn't take place in the same world as the other games simply because of the graphical style. Lets face it, MOST Zelda games share the same graphical style as WW, from ALttP (which can be seen as the game that Wind Waker borrowed it's style from) to Minish Cap. The only really 'realistic' Zelda games are Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and probably The Adventure of Link. Then there's the upcoming new one... But other than that, there's more Zelda games that follow a cartoonish style than not. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 7179/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by FyxeIn Zelda 2: Adventures of link, Ganon would be revived if Links blood was sprinkled over the ashes of Ganon. I don't remember if I read this somewhere ingame or in a insturction booklet thought. But that's the only time it's somewhat explained, and well. That's gotta be the only game where Ganon is dead. The story is about waking up Zelda from her long sleep. Infact, OOT and TWW gotta be one of thoose few games where Ganon is a human, Ganondorf. I heard something about the triforce of power making him like that... or if it's related to LTTP sacred world where people look diffrent depending on their personality. (Link looks is a bunny so I must assume he like certain things... <.<). |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 813/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Kitten Yiffer: You're right about LttP: he was banished to the Realm, turned into Stumpy the Slack-Jawed Archnemesis. Actually, I think they had very consistent internal logic, as far as I know (haven't played MM, FS+/A, MC). Getting too hung up on minutiae really confuses things. windwaker: I haven't finished the titular game (WW, people) yet but isn't it established that your character isn't related to Link? Terra = royals, we know that much, but you're not him, you just dress the part and wield the Master Sword, no? |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 625/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer Kitten Yiffer, if you read all my post, I MENTIONED The Adventure of Link because it talks about a way of reviving Ganon. I also mentioned the Oracle games because they attempt to revive Ganon in that game too. Ganon was killed at the end of ALttP, and at the end of The Legend of Zelda. He must of been revived at least once which we don't know about. drjayphd, just because he's not RELATED in blood doesn't mean he's not 'Link'. It's clearly Link. That's his name, and he is the Hero of Winds. He's not the Hero of Time, or the Hero of Hyrule, but he's still 'Link'. None of the 'different' Links are the *same* Link, but they're *all* Link. If you see what I mean. As for the difference between 'Ganondorf' and 'Ganon'... Ganondorf can transform himself into Ganon using the Triforce of Power, as seen in Ocarina of Time. By the way, it's never exactly certain whether it's the Golden Land or the Dark World that changes people's form. It seems Ganon gains the power to transform before he gets sealed in the Dark World of his own creation. I doubt the Dark World has any affect on Ganon's form, as he does hold the Triforce, after all. Also in later games Ganon retains his monsterous form even after leaving the Dark World. Link becomes a pink fluffy bunny cos it related what's in his heart; a kind, harmless, against all odds hero. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 954/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| titular, heh. Link from TWW isn't related to Link from OoT/MM. But, he's a reincarnation of that Link. (edited by windwaker on 01-10-05 11:21 AM) |
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