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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 864/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| We needed to take this discussion out of that brain teaser thread. Now, here's a poorly done timeline I made:  So, there have to be more than one Link at a time, because when Link goes back in time, his "other self" must already be sleeping. Think of it like you go back in time to when you were a young child; there're "two of you". That's how I interpreted it, at least. Debate me >(. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 2179/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Well yeah, there are two of him, because one is sleeping for that seven years, but this is the part no one understands... The timeline splits into two different time lines... I'll get a link in here showing it in about 5 minutes... Aww forget it... Young Link gets the 3 pendents and takes the master sword --->>> Adult Link saves Hyrule --->>> 100 years pass and WW starts Adult Link saves Hyrule, but puts sword back in place and seals the sword away --->>> Young Link goes on to search for Navi, and thus is born MM... So really, the WW never happened, because Link went back and time and stopped Gannon, but no one knows he did it because, he sealed it all up. Or you could believe, like my diagram shows, that two time lines were created and MM was based off of Link's return back to his younger form, and the other one is that Link killed Gannon and "disappeared" back into the other timeline, thus making him a legend. (edited by Dracoon on 01-01-05 08:57 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2215/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| ...Wind Waker is set CENTURIES after those two games. | |||
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 682/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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| Zelda = Happens OOT = Happens in a parallel universe with better graphics MM = Happens after OOT TWW = Happens in an alternate dimension with cel-shaded graphics. celda loll!1 |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 4205/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| According to MM, Ganon attacked Hyrule not particularly long after "The legendary hero" saved everybody. So, why wasn't Link there to save them? Don't say it has anything to do with Majora's Mask - it takes three days of actual time after which he returns to Hyrule. No, this has nothing to do with Majora's Mask. There is only one possible explanation, and it doesn't make too much sense - two timelines that branch off from where Link takes the Master Sword, one where his spirit is sealed for seven years, one where he remains as a child. Obviously the two work in harmony or else OoT never would've worked. But, Ganon only conquered Hyrule in the Link Gets Sealed timeline - Link returns to the "normal" timeline later, so he's never around to stop Ganon's return in the alternate future. The two cannot exist in the same reality because Link never gets sealed in the temple, he goes through that whole section growing up normally (or at least a chunk of it, as there is stated to be a long time between past OoT and MM), but then obviously he does and fights Ganon in the future. Or you could just realize that nothing having to do with time in OoT makes ANY GODDAMN SENSE (Windmill guy, I'm looking at you and the Song of Storms) and accept it as flawed. (edited by Kyouji Craw on 01-01-05 09:28 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 865/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| after which he returns to Hyrule. um, no. First of all, it never says he returns to Hyrule, it leads you to believe he keeps looking for Navi. Now, the beginning of TWW tells us that there was a time when the people of Hyrule had no hero, because Link never returned. This is how the ending of MM results in Link not returning to Hyrule. The beginning of TWW is NOT what you probably think it is (now I see the confusion). In the beginning of TWW, it says that someone "appeared out of nowhere" and vanquished Ganon. This is the ending to OoT. Then, it says that when Ganon got out of the seal the sages put on him, Link was *not* there to save Hyrule, and so it was flooded and Ganon was frozen under the sea, with his soul bound to the Master Sword. And yes, the windmill guy couldn't possibly make ANY SENSE  . |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco. Level: 114 Posts: 4209/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by windwakerWhere is it stated he searched for Navi? I was not led to believe this. And even if he did, why would he look for a period of time greater than seven years minus many, many months and three days? Plus, the gate back to Hyrule is in a more or less accessable point from Termina, you just can't really get to it in the game what with the programming around it and not having Hyrule in it, so  Plus, you didn't refute anything to do with the fact that there cannot reasonably be only one timeline, due to the whole he's stuck in the temple, no he's not deal. |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 3127/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I say there's one Link. It's true that whenever you take the Master Sword, Link must grow 7 years older in order to wield it. However, that does not mean that there's another Link that is his younger self. Maybe that when he puts the sword in the pedastal, it actually makes him younger because he doesn't need to be older anymore. Of course, that wouldn't make much sense, but that'd work in the storyline. Link from MM is the one that defeated Ganon, no doubt in that (when you get your Ocarina back in MM, you see a part of OoT's ending where Zelda entrust you with the Ocarina of Time). However, if you take WW in consideration, then you have to almost leave out MM, since it has nothing to do with it. -- Now I confused myself. |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco. Level: 114 Posts: 4211/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I said the two realities are in harmony, no? Plus, that happens at the end, as Young Link, so even if I hadn't it still has no bearing on it As for what you said about WW and MM: Yes. Exactly. 100% right. This is why time makes no sense in Zelda. |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 3128/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| There's also a reason why we don't want to include MM in there: You would have to take into consideration that Link can control time, in an instant. Now, try and find something that makes sense when thinking of this.... .... Anyone ?  |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 2184/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| How about we just stick with my horribly done timeline, that is more or less accurate... I guess what I was trying to explain is that it was the same Link, but two of him existed at one time... | |||
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Proto K Repent! Level: 27 Posts: 223/279 EXP: 113908 For next: 2251 Since: 03-15-04 From: New Brunswick, Canada Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| I read Dracoon's post, and I agree. This is what I think, a bit extended on his post, but pretty much the same: Link defeats Ganon in the future, and gets sent back to the past, which creates an alternate timeline. So, as for game order within the timelines: Timeline A: - Ocarina of Time (after which Link is sent back to his childhood and never seen again in this timeline) - Wind Waker (remember, the hero of time was nowhere to be found when Ganon broke free, and it's clearly said that Wind Waker takes place after Ocarina of Time, where everyone prayed for the hero to return. This can't possibly be based on the timeline where Link was sent back, because Ganon never took over in the first place.) - All other Zelda games except Majora's Mask Timeline B: - From Timeline A's OoT - Link gets sent back to his childhood, so even though Link lived through the events of Timeline A's future and defeated Ganon, it never happened here (it's assumed Ganon was sealed here too, but whether he ever breaks out or not in this timeline is unknown) - Majora's Mask - ??? The events of Majora's Mask MAY have taken place in Timeline A (without Link because he would have been sealed), and with nobody to stop him, Termina would have been destroyed. Doubtful though, because with Termina destroyed, Majora would have probably found its way to Hyrule long before Link's seven year sleep was up and laid waste, which is obviously not the case when Link wakes up (besides Ganon's destruction, of course). That's my take on the whole OoT/MM/WW theory. |
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Black Lord Level: 34 Posts: 143/453 EXP: 235639 For next: 18012 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nebraska, what's a Nebraska Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by DarkSlaya Um, Shiggy himself said that there is more then one Link... and with the Zelda timeline, I'll have to dig out my theories from deep in my hd, cause I have some nice ones that will cause some troubles.. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 867/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Yesh, Miyamoto said there's more than one Link. There's only one "reality". Anything that Link does happens :o. For instance, if he goes into the future, kills Ganon and seals him away, then goes back, he'll appear in the future again and seals Ganon away. It's true that whenever you take the Master Sword, Link must grow 7 years older in order to wield it. What about TWW?  |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco. Level: 114 Posts: 4214/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Well, I have my own theories about that. See, in OoT, the master sword was all "You're not old enough. Come back in 7 years." But, in The Wind Waker, it's all "GOD DAMMIT, I have waited centuries to be used again... You may be a shrimp but I am NOT GONNA WAIT ANOTHER 7 FUCKING YEARS." |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 879/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Ono. Not another nintendo self-controdicting storyline blurp x(. |
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Violent J Melon Bug Level: 41  Posts: 81/749 EXP: 479154 For next: 991 Since: 05-05-04 From: Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| I hope the next Zelda goes WITH the storyline of past games, because these are turning into FF like games where each games a totally different reality with totally new charachters and looks... | |||
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco. Level: 114 Posts: 4215/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Hah. Like that'll happen |
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Violent J Melon Bug Level: 41 Posts: 85/749 EXP: 479154 For next: 991 Since: 05-05-04 From: Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| LOL. Well, if Sonic Team makes a Sonic Adventure 3, then the worlds will allign, and Miyamoto will make a Zelda game that has a storyline with other Zelda games! And You will explode Craw! The end! | |||
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 887/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Nono. Zelda will never be titled "Zelda X - 2". Ever. |
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