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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Teachers: Over- or Under-paid? |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 4508/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Not exactly a really harsh debate topic by any means...but when you think about how much a teacher makes now versus what someone in the NBA does and then take the consideration of how much each contributes to society...you start to wonder a bit about that. What I was reading... Also made me think about it because I knew that the oldest teacher we had at my old school (small...very small) was only making 35 grand a year...that doesn't even hit the average that article suggests. Course then a large amount of teachers I know who go into the profession aren't doing it for the money. I dunno...that's my opinion on them being underpaid...maybe I'm wrong. I mean obviously they aren't saving lives everyday like a doctor does, but they are helping us to progress our way past the uses of 8-tracks and helping us learn how to build better things called 'computers'... Thoughts? |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 1021/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Having worked in schools, I have worked with a lot of teachers. When I was a student, I thought "overpaid". I thought that they did fuck all and just got big fat paychecks for torturing students. Now I know how much they do get paid... and I know how much work they put in. They are definitely underpaid. Teachers put in an unbelievable amount of work for their students, and I have not worked with a single teacher who doesn't place their students as Priority Number One. They are expected to work overtime with no pay, they mark work at home in unpaid time, and they take a hell of a lot of abuse from parents and students. Sometimes, teachers are even placed in danger with students that are violent and abusive, and they take it all with good humor. I don't have what it takes to be a teacher. And I think that those that are teachers are amazing, and do a lot of really good work for less money than it's worth. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 2025/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Underpaid... I am still a student, but I know how much they get paid and about how much they have to go through. It makes me kind of mad, I garuntee their jobs are harder than a lot of others, yet they get paid almost nothing... | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2068/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Under. I really don't need to set out about why they are under paid/respected. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5745/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Underpaid and it all has to do with public perception. Your average joe thinks that teachers have it easy because they only work 10 months in the year, are only in school for around 6 hours a day and have breaks as well during the day. In reality, teachers usually do a lot of work during the day and at home, have more things to do at school than just teach and on some occasions put in more than 40 hours of work a week. And teaching is a skill, it's not just something anyone can do. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1024/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Not to mention that if you're unlucky enough to work in a high school, you may find yourself being threatened or injured by students.... It isn't overly common, but I've seen it happen a few times, where a student has hit a teacher, or threatened one. Having been support staff in a school, I've had kids yell at me and threaten me, and it's a little scary -- "kids" in high school are HUGE. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2069/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Ha. You've never worked at a behavioural school! I had to volunteer hours in one. I had scissors thrown at me. Kids brandish knives, etc. I mean I was only 16, but still, they were in between 8-12. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5754/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| That kind of crap doesn't happen at the high schools over here. Threaten a teacher and you're on your way out. Worst problems I saw at my old high school were the usual things - bullying, arguments, etc. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 1025/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I didn't work at a behavioural school, but I worked at a school in a bad area. And we had knives and stuff too. Most the kids were fairly nice to me, but evern now and then there was a little shit that would threaten me.... | |||
geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 226/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| teachers are paid 35k a year to deal with brats all the time? that's not nearly enough.... they do more for society than anyone else does for the most part.... save maybe people in health care..... they deserve more money.... the school systems in general deserve more money for what they have to do.... |
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Generation Terrorist Mini Octorok Level: 7 Posts: 11/18 EXP: 1355 For next: 93 Since: 12-22-04 From: 100 steps forward, 99 steps back. Since last post: 279 days Last activity: 242 days |
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| I'm neutral on the teacher question. They're paid what the state thinks it can afford, and the teachers are cool with that, or else they wouldn't be teaching. They can fight for more pay, but it all comes down to how many taxes the government can raise up. Privatization of the school system would solve the issue. Wages according to supply and demand, and teachers that give all they can due to competition and being subject to review. Best for everybody. (I've had some pretty shit teachers.) |
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Sabishii Koopa Level: 17 Posts: 48/103 EXP: 24001 For next: 742 Since: 05-24-04 From: Cumming, Georgia Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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Originally posted by Generation Terrorist It would solve the issue of pay, but I think it would be a mistake. A lot of the people with the money for a private school don't appreciate it, from what I've seen at least. if the schools were all private, I wouldn't be able to attend. My family's barely scraping by as it is. As for them being cool with it or not teaching, that's not always the case. Gas prices are high and people hate them, but they still drive, do they not? Same deal. Besides, maybe teaching is a passion for them, the pay sucks, but you still keep it up because it's something you love. I know a lot of athletes that hate the coach, but keep playing because it's a passion for them. Once again, same deal. I feel like teachers are under paid (as for Rain's mention of the 35 grand a year, that's about average pay and it's almost dipping into the poverty level) but the sad thing is I see no solution for it. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 5800/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| My dad makes around $50,000 Canadian, so probably $40,000 American these days give or take a few hundred. I think the teachers here got screwed in the 80's when they walked out for a couple of days and were subsequently legislated back to work by the government. There went that fight. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2099/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Privatization = bad idea. Poor families = going to shitty schools. |
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Generation Terrorist Mini Octorok Level: 7 Posts: 12/18 EXP: 1355 For next: 93 Since: 12-22-04 From: 100 steps forward, 99 steps back. Since last post: 279 days Last activity: 242 days |
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| Hooray for vouchers and government subsidiaries. In the case of loving it but not liking the pay, eventually you have to come to a cross roads where you decide what you love more - material wealth or career satisfaction. I may like being an author, but there's no guarantee that I'm going to make any money off of it. I may like being a sociologist, but there's no guarantee I'm going to have a job. I may like being a teacher, but the pay may be less than what I want. If people have problems with pay, they can unionize. Its happened before - it will happen again. As it is, though, there's really no point. Teachers make a comfortable living, and as simple mathematics tells us, any money that would go to increased salary has to come from somewhere. (edited by Generation Terrorist on 12-25-04 01:42 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 465/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Yes, because right now they don't go to shitty schools. Oh, wait. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2123/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| And then they get to pay to go to school...Wait, doesn't that sound like a bad idea for people on the poverty line? "Well, I can barely feed my children good food...Now to blow several thousand MORE dollars on recently privitized education!" The voucher system is flawed more so than free public education. Government subsidies aren't going to help the kids or their parents. |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 958/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| They get paid way to little for what they do. Problem is, the government only takes into account the hours they work and how hard teaching is. They don't consider the impact they have on kids and the things they have to deal with every day. Not to mention teachers who become friends with the students, then they move up a grade and never see them again, that can be emotional for teachers. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 466/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Um, maybe this argument is true, but not by this kind of logic. A voucher gives money to families for kids to go to school. So don't bullshit that families will go broke under private education systems unless you're asserting that parents will get worse schools than they do now for the same amount of money per student which is spent now. You can assert this, and I don't know how well I can argue it... but don't act like it's a given, please. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2129/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| There was a region in Ontario that attempted to implement a voucher program to see how it would work under the old Regime. Two families had to pull their kids from school because even with voucher programs they couldn't afford it. The subisidies that the government gave to the schools to help them run smoothly after pulling funding were the only thing keeping them breaking even. Parents kept their kids in the schools, but the prices were astronomical at the "good schools". So parents couldn't afford that. And all of the poor kids were basically stuck in the rut they are always stuck in outside of public funding. Privatization of education is stupid. A Quality and Accountability examination for teachers and administrators means higher quality education as it weeds out the poor teachers. |
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