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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - My nomination for douchebag of the year. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 3193/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I hereby nominate Donald Rumsfeld. As you may or may not know, he was doing a Q&A session with the troops and seeings how only they could ask questions, a reporter told one guy to ask this question: "Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles?" Very legitimate question and one that needs a definite answer. One of the many concerns is that many of our vehicles over there do not have sufficient/adequate armor. This question aroused cheering from the crowd as obviously they would have liked to know as well. And Rumsfeld was caught off guard, not expecting a question such as this. Keep in mind that this is the man whom the President delegates complete and total control of the military forces to. He's never seen real combat nor will he ever. He lives a cushy life making the big cash and maybe once in a blue moon he'll go and visit the troops. Other than that, he gets to go home to his family and basically enjoy life as he sees fit unlike our troops over there. Some of which have been there for an ungodly amount of time only to have their tours extended living out the most hellish act man can inflict upon himself. (War) So what does he say? "You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have." That's the shittiest possible thing to say, especially right to the soldiers who are serving in Iraq. He basically said "Quit whining". So yes, there's my nomination. |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 200/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Finally, Leg, something I'm sure we can all agree on. My mom was yelling at the TV when she heard that. *shakes head* Then again, she yells at the TV a lot. Maybe because my stepdad's in Afghanistan... yeah, that might be why it pissed her off so much.  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3196/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Cheveyo Chowilawu Hey hey, my dad is in Afghanistan.  |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 5795/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Haha, I love when people asks questions that politicians and such people doesn | |||
MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1154/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Well so I've heard this was a question planted by a journalist, but even that sounds fishy to me. You wouldn't have gotten the soldier to say it if he disagreed. Unless... there's something I'm missing about how military press conferences work. Either way, regardless of whether the armor is adequate, I think you can take Rumsfeld's comment in the worst way or in the best way. The worst way is where you interpret it as being something like "tough." The best west (with regards to him) is that he was saying something like "Well, please be aware that resources are limited and we can't get everything for everyone all at once." I tended to lean more toward the latter interpretation as I didn't think his tone was that assholish. On the other hand, he should have said something like "We are working very hard to fix that problem." And then he could make some kind of empty promise which would get some cheers. |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 203/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 462/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I liked his "you could have all the armor in the world and still get blown up" line. Yea, I know it's true, but it sounds arrogant as hell. | |||
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 1160/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| If I had all the armor in the world I think I would not get blown up. Unless there is more blowy up stuff than armor. Then I would get blowed up. *sigh* | |||
Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 229/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| HOW THE HELL IS HE NOT FIRED? | |||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1405/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Arwon |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1870/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Wow... Yeah, I think he'll win hands down. That is just really stupid to say, no matter what he ment he didn't say it right. | |||
alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1903/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Vladmir Putin! Not only is he leading equally bloody wars in Chechnya and Georgia in the name of Russian "freedom". He is also amassing troops in the Turkmenistani and former Soviet satellite states regions. His tampering with Ukrainian elections also pisses me off. On a sccale of 1-10 Putin gets "Dirty Stalinist" for how much of a douche he is. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2379/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I'm pretty sure that you all will appreciate this Daily Show segment. It shows Stewart's view on the man... The segment is named "F'd Troop" It has those questions asked to Rumsfeld Oh, and if it starts out with Ellen Degeneres, that is just an ad. Wait out the 14 seconds and then the segment will come. EDIT: This one segment is in the same Daily Show episode, and it immediately followed the one before. Just for added humor.  (edited by Kefka on 12-11-04 05:34 PM) |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 352/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Rummy just doesn't get it, does he? According to this BBC article. he did not personally sign over 1000 letters of condolence sent to the families of soldiers killed in Iraq. The letters were signed by machine. Talk about disrespectful... | |||
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Zarathud Level: 12  Posts: 1/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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| Rumsfeld is callous, no doubt about it. But all the people calling for his head over this kinda leave me scratching my own, since 1) the soldier who asked the question and the reporter who hand-fed it to him were either uninformed (unlikely) or not being totally honest, and 2) any shortfalls in armour have more to do with congress than the DoD. To wit, the Tennessean reports: 1) "Army Maj. Gen. Stephen Speakes and Army Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sorenson, senior members of the Army's combat systems development and acquisition team at the Pentagon, said protective armor plates were added to the last 20 vehicles of the Tennessee-based 278th Regimental Combat Team's 830 vehicles shortly after the exchange with Rumsfeld." Yeah, that's right. They'd already been up-armoring the regiment's humvees for weeks before the guy even asked the question, and within a day of the press conference the remaining 20 were done. I smell something here and it ain't roses. 2) "The Pentagon is spending $4.1 billion over the next year to add armor to vehicles in Iraq. Sorenson said 35,000 of them need armored protection, of which 29,000 have been funded by Congress." Yeah, that's right. The reason 6,000 Humvees haven't been armoured yet is because the hypocrites in congress haven't coughed up the money for it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a huge fan of Rummy, I think the man needs to stay away from cameras, and I think he'll be remembered as a mediocre SecDef. But I don't think he's terrible either, and I know this whole thing reeks of dishonest scapegoating (fixing the blame rather than the problem). If you care enough about this stuff to bash Rummy for it, I suggest writing to your representative about funding for army basics like armour and whatnot instead. It'd be more constructive. (edited by Zarathud on 12-27-04 12:28 AM) (edited by Zarathud on 12-27-04 12:29 AM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 3405/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Whoah, this new guy kicks ass. |
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Zarathud Level: 12 Posts: 4/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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Awww, I bet you say that to all the girls.  *checks pants* Err, oh shit, wait... |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 236/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| It should probably also be pointed out that if Rumsfeld went, the track record of the Bush admin shows that he'd be replaced by someone else. Probably Wolfowitz. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 469/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Zarathud $200 billion going to Iraq, and none of the spending is discretionary for the Department of Defense? Wow, Congress had more power than I knew. Originally posted by |+Legion+|/i> He's not new. It's Matt! D:< Now I can be torn apart on a weekly basis and/or get in long, frustrating pointless arguments! Not that it makes me love him any less. |
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Zarathud Level: 12 Posts: 24/55 EXP: 7184 For next: 737 Since: 12-27-04 From: Terra, Sol. Since last post: 294 days Last activity: 294 days |
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| "$200 billion going to Iraq, and none of the spending is discretionary for the Department of Defense? Wow, Congress had more power than I knew." DoD writes up a budget for all the items they want, and then that great sausage factory on the hill has at it and makes whatever changes they see fit. And here's another stupid fact: the DoD never plans for operations in the annual defense budget. They only plan to buy new hardware and to train and take care of their own personnel. Every time an actual war/conflict comes along, the Pentagon has to go running to Congress for supplementals. Stupid, ain't it? "He's not new. It's Matt! D:< Now I can be torn apart on a weekly basis and/or get in long, frustrating pointless arguments! Not that it makes me love him any less." Shit! I've been outed! But hey, at least I'm feelin' the love rather than fearing the lynchmob... Yeah, I tend to register here every eight months or so just out of pure boredom. Most people here would barely remember me anyway I'm sure. |
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