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Xkeeper 2.0 Hammer Brother Again... :P Level: 49  Posts: 167/1091 EXP: 880818 For next: 3065 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| 1: I did word this poorly. If you don't like how KT15X did his rips, yet you still want those GFX... You could just modify the palette or rip it yourself. 2: I didn't understand this. Knuck claims that "if you use the workshop, you're not a real hacker"  "If you rip off of someone else's hack, you're not a real hacker." is what he should have said.  And, as long as your status bar has black outlined text and doesn't use colors that are TOO similar to the BG... the status bar is okay. Hell, sometimes that's the only color I've changed! |
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Atma X Bandit Level: 43  Posts: 655/801 EXP: 553639 For next: 11407 Since: 03-16-04 From: Derrière vous!!! Since last post: 43 days Last activity: 14 days |
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| I think that if you use the ExGfx workshop to learn, you have the potential to learn even more and become a really good hacker (game designer). If you use the ExGfx workshop to rip gfx, then you've already given up on learning anything else. The first major thing that I learned was making ExGfx and understanding how to insert it into the game anyway that I like, and I learned it all on my own, because I never gave up and I was interested in it (if you only learn how to rip, then your skills are very limited, and you'll only be able to insert something that came from another game that uses 8x8 Tiles,... and you'll always be dependant on using an Editor to insert it into the game for you). Since then, I've learned a lot more, only because I'm interested in learning. A lot of people want to learn how to do some of the more advanced things, but they are not interested in "learning" how to do any of it, they are only interested in using those advanced skills to make their hacks. If you are a person who is not interested in learning, then you will never know how to do these things because when you attempt to start learning, you'll get bored before you ever accomplish learning anything,... and therefore, you will be one of the ones to fall short, and be lost in confusion. The problem with the ExGfx Workshop is that it doesn't really teach you how to make and insert your own graphics, but instead it focuses on using rips from other games for your hack, and only learning how insert rips. Another problem with the ExGfx Workshop is that supplies the hacker (or Game editor to be more realsitic) with way too many examples, and people tend to get the idea that it is a database with gfx that they can use. There should only be a few examples, and they should be sets of Gfx that are somewhat undesireable/unpopular, so that people don't have any desire to use them in the hacks. We need to completely redo the ExGfx Workshop. It's methods are actully kind of damaging to the person that wants to learn, because it gives them the wrong concept/idea of how the gfx should be used. In a week or two, I'm going to start making my own Graphics learning center. The old one isn't working, and it's never going to (if my classes in College were anything like that, I wouldn't learn shit,... except how to copy other's work and ideas). If somebody wants to get technical about this by saying that "somebody" has learned from it, then I'll have to completely agree with you, because "somebody" has, but that's not enough to make up for all the people that haven't learned from it, now is it?  (edited by Atma X on 12-11-04 01:19 AM) |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 942/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Oh yeah, one i FINALLY can agree with something that Atma X said!  We don't have an ExGFX Workshop, we have a SMW GFX Database. |
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ExKay Somebody set up us the bomb! Level: 50 Posts: 348/1114 EXP: 908268 For next: 39049 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hannover, Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Why'd you guys have to discuss about the ExGFX Workshop or Knuck calles it SMW GFX Database, which is the same. The ExGFX Workshop is made for people who hasn't any knowledge about ExGFX IMO. Anyway, let's stay on the topic! @ Anikit: The screenshots looks very nice, I will definetly download this hack. BTW: When will you be finshed with LA2. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 943/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| The purpose of a workshop is to TEACH people how to do something. What the ExGFX workshop does is the opposite: make people too lazy to learn. |
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ExKay Somebody set up us the bomb! Level: 50 Posts: 349/1114 EXP: 908268 For next: 39049 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hannover, Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| You're right, but if people won't learn how to use them and only downloads them to insert ExGFX in their hacks, why not close the Workshop for those people, so they haven't access to it, and make them think how ExGFX work. | |||
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 944/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Why not just start over, with NO examples (maybe one or 2). Nothing more. Make it a REAL ExGFX Workshop. Would it be hard? Nope. But hey, everyone would hate Coby if he done that, so he won't. | |||
Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 205/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| If the ExGFX workshop weren't there, these same people would just be posting more threads asking for people to rip the graphics for them, I'd bet. Most that are willing to learn put effort into it. Those who aren't willing to learn or simply don't care about the graphics as much use something already-made, be it ripped from other games themselves or from the ExGFX workshop or from other sources. Some, like myself, simply don't have any talent in that area - and no amount of learning how to make/use ExGFX would fix that. If it looks bad, why put it in, even if you do know how? Anyway, about the hack. I don't know how I did it, but somehow I died like... 10 times in the first level.  I've always sucked at SMW in an emulator, and this proves it. Nice design for the level, though (what I saw of it). The only thing that's a little odd, which I mentioned before, is the mix of Yoshi's Island graphics with SMAS graphics. They're two different graphics styles that just look strange together. |
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Anikiti Goomba Level: 9 Posts: 22/25 EXP: 3020 For next: 142 Since: 03-28-04 From: Japan Since last post: 113 days Last activity: 7 days |
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Thank you for a comment... >Karadur Thank you for a report in a bug. The keyhole which are closed and is by block should bring and break Bob-omb. |
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Karadur Fire Snake  Level: 48  Posts: 300/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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I think I've found all the levels that've been changed in this hack now; the level I'm at right now I recognize as one from Vanilla Dome in the original SMW  There's only been one other really noticeable thing, in this screenshot: The background, obviously  I forget what level that was in, but I'll take a look and when I find out, I'll edit this post.Once again, nice work on this demo  Do you have any idea of when we'll be able to play the full game?Edit: I think I found that level. It's 4-7, and it's got the same boss pictured in the screenshot, but when I go to fight it again, the background looks fine  Maybe it was something with ZSNES. So, nevermind that screenshot There's one other place I found where an inside corner tile was missing, and I'll find that, place, take a screenshot, and post it here (edited by Karadur on 12-11-04 10:22 PM) |
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Luigi-San Melon Bug Level: 42 Posts: 115/736 EXP: 485962 For next: 35400 Since: 03-20-04 From: Mushroom Kingdom Since last post: 17 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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Does anyone know where the secret exit in 5-3 is? Originally posted by Karadur Bring a Bob-Omb from Above (edited by Luigi-San on 12-17-04 09:24 PM) |
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Karadur Fire Snake Level: 48 Posts: 343/1192 EXP: 786444 For next: 37099 Since: 11-02-04 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 15 hours |
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| I finally realized what you had to do to get that secret exit. Thanks for telling me also though I've removed the screenshot, due to what the reply below this said. If you still can't find it, Luigi-San, PM me and I'll tell you where it is Luigi's going down a very well concealed pipe If you can't see him, he's in the space with the arrow sign.(edited by Karadur on 12-17-04 10:12 PM) (edited by Karadur on 12-18-04 10:50 AM) |
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Rain Man Buzzy Beetle Level: 31 Posts: 252/378 EXP: 175079 For next: 10284 Since: 04-14-04 Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 16 hours |
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Karadur, that wasnt really nessarary to tell all of us. You spoiled it for me  and probably quite a few other people! Please use a spoiler tag or pm him...(edited by CrUnChY NUt on 12-18-04 05:35 AM) |
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