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Uncle Elmo Hammer Brother Partly Sweet, Helpful, good at advice and a half decent writer. Also modest. Level: 49 Posts: 87/1062 EXP: 845899 For next: 37984 Since: 03-15-04 From: Prestatyn, Uk Since last post: 23 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Firstly Square, oh how you hate us so.... Any game released prior to FFVII - Never Released FFVIII - Bad conversion (Slowdown, borders. Urgh) FFIX - Ditto FFX-2 - Bad Covnersion FFXI - Not planning to release it here Einhander - Never released Xenogears - Never released FF Chronicles - No Chrono Trigger ANy Soundtracks at all - Never released. Other makers.... Most games never released and/or crappy conversions, especially Namco. Dancing Stage sucks, a LOT. The Licensed tracks are nice but we only geta fraction of tracks the US/Japanese get. Good stuff. We get quirky Japanese titles like "Vib Ribbon", you don't. Konami love us, and we ALWAYS get special editions of their games. We were the first in the world to get Silent Hill 3. |
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Private Adamant Hardhat Beetle Moderator It's teh fun!!! Level: 37  Posts: 72/551 EXP: 316129 For next: 22124 Since: 03-15-04 From: Halden, Norway Since last post: 22 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| Dragon Warrior ANYTHING. I found DWM (awesome game, BTW) in a swedish shop, but it was probably an illegal imort or something. |
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The Kins Kodondo Level: 38  Posts: 50/595 EXP: 354733 For next: 15714 Since: 03-15-04 From: Melbourne, VIC, Australia Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Secret of Mana - Delayed for months. Super Mario RPG - Never released (fuck you square) |
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 60/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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| hahahah usa ownz So there. |
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Acmlm Torosu heh Level: 51  Posts: 296/1173 EXP: 981994 For next: 31944 Since: 03-15-04 From: Somewhere that isn't outside of Sherbrooke, Québec, Canada Since last post: 39 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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Pretty much everything that was released in the U.S. is also available in Canada ... and most games from Japan come either late or not at all  But that's a lot of games there that never came out in Europe just because of the 50/60Hz difference  At least thhe handhelds like GameBoy (or Advance, etc.) shouldn't be a problem ... |
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Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55  Posts: 117/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Yeah, not only do we get most games the last of all, we also get screwed over with bad conversions. God, the German translation of FF VII sucked. REALLY bad. Sometimes there was even GARBLED text! Or the text exceeded the text window and such. | |||
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 434/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| FFXI - Not planning to release it here Can't you still order the American PC version and play it? I can't see extra charges creeping into the picture on top of what you have to pay. Canada was screwed out of the XBox DDR, I believe. Konami forgot to get the rights to the songs in Canada, and... well... (They also locked out Canadians who purchased the game from America on XBox Live, I think.) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 566/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Good point Colleen. There isn't anything called "PAL PC" or something like that.  We didn't get Chrono trigger. Nor Earthbound (I like Earthbound more...  ). But I don't rembember any newer games that we don't get. Companies have been better at releaseing games. Sometimes it's just some days between the US and the Europe release. Ah, still rembember the nine month wait from that Majoras mask was released in Japan. Before it was released in Europa...  |
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Sofie Level: 52 Posts: 113/1210 EXP: 1028812 For next: 55028 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 187 days Last activity: 279 days |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer we didn't get CC either, for that matter. Or not that I know of, anyways. |
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Uncle Elmo Hammer Brother Partly Sweet, Helpful, good at advice and a half decent writer. Also modest. Level: 49 Posts: 88/1062 EXP: 845899 For next: 37984 Since: 03-15-04 From: Prestatyn, Uk Since last post: 23 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Acmlm- The 50/60Hz difference no longer applies because most new TVs can process NTSC signals, (the Dreamcast had a 60Hz option on most of it's games.) | |||
Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 372/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| DxEdge should get in this thread ... From what I've seen, PAL Gamers get less than the US. Although it's been awhile since the US hasn't gotten a specific game, at all. I can think back to the real FFII, and FFIII for Nes, FFV, Seiken Densetsu 3, and a few other awesome Snes games. Now, the US and anything else besides Japan just have a few months more of a wait for games to launch. I think that may be different for the Xbox though ... (edited by Xeogred on 03-22-04 03:11 PM) (edited by Xeogred on 03-22-04 03:11 PM) |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 149/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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| Yes, FFXI should be available in Europe. Only for PC, but still available. By the way: Originally posted by Uncle Elmo I'd take that as proof that Square loves PAL gamers. You have to keep in mind that converting games to PAL compatability is a rather risky financial move. Recoding the games takes a little bit of time, then testing them takes quite a bit of time, especially for action games. (Remember, most of thier formulas and events assume you get 60 inputs per second. Having 50 inputs per second means that some gameplay balance issues will almost always arise.) Furthermore, European gamers tend to be more picky about thier games. They flock to games like Warcraft III while the majority of them blow off consoles. It's a very small market. |
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Uncle Elmo Hammer Brother Partly Sweet, Helpful, good at advice and a half decent writer. Also modest. Level: 49 Posts: 90/1062 EXP: 845899 For next: 37984 Since: 03-15-04 From: Prestatyn, Uk Since last post: 23 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| As far as "coverting it to Europe is a lenghy and costly business". Not at all, all they need to do theoretically for the UK at least is to change the regional lockout to "Europe" and tell everyone that it's 60Hz only *shrugs* piece of urine. I think we're a lot less picky than US gamers, we flock to more diverse games than our US counterparts. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 569/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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The zelda bonus disc was 60hz only. Many gamers detected that the TV supported 60 hz. As me.  I practically only use 60 HZ when I can use it, so skipping the 50hz mode is no big loss for me. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 442/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I think the problem for some games is the translations. Most GBA games that I see in Europe come in the following 5 languages: English, French, Spanish, German, Italian. (Sword of Mana has 2 versions, each with 2 of those languages.) I dunno how Square's handled European release in the past, but imagine having to employ FOUR translation teams... |
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KawaiiImoto-e Hammer Brother Level: 49 Posts: 114/1068 EXP: 852917 For next: 30966 Since: 03-15-04 From: In my own little complicated dreamworld Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| Yeah, translation is a costly factor, but why all those crappy PAL Convertions? Ever played Mario Kart 64 on a PAL N64? The prior console where even worse, PAL Borders everywhere! But some games are unforgivable, Like Super Mario RPG or Earthbound / Mother. But worst of all is Nintendo of Europe. 1. Only real support for a handfull of Countries in Europe -> no VIP System for Switzerland or Austria. 2. Animal Crossing -> we release it in 2003, we canceled it, maybe a release in fall of 2003. we canned it, again. There's hope for a 2004 release. ARGHL! 3. e-Reader -> didn't release it yet. Why? Pok |
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Jill In love with a dream.. Level: 36  Posts: 57/528 EXP: 296548 For next: 11562 Since: 03-15-04 From: Teh Sweden Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 14 hours |
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| X-2 wasn't bad at all.. well.. not bad enough for me to actually notice it . As for Pal conversions most of them are bad. We were screwed on Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana and a few others too :X. |
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Bogie Purple Leever Level: 24  Posts: 45/201 EXP: 69651 For next: 8474 Since: 03-15-04 From: New York Since last post: 245 days Last activity: 72 days |
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| That must really suck for PAL gamers.. i thought you guys would have liked the games better because some games come with extras. | |||
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Sofie Level: 52 Posts: 146/1210 EXP: 1028812 For next: 55028 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 187 days Last activity: 279 days |
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| most of those extra's are in the American games aswell. So far, the only game I've played that had extra's that the US version didn't have, was FFX. It would be nice if we'd just get the games; most people buying games here play the English version anyways. |
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Xavious Newcomer Level: 3 Posts: 2/2 EXP: 69 For next: 59 Since: 03-15-04 From: England Since last post: 589 days Last activity: 339 days |
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i would skip the extras any day for more games to be released, and i didnt even get the ffx bonus disc cos the store sucked  |
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