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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 872/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| The flintstones is based on a TV show in the 50s, the Honeymooners. Which in turn is based on an advanced civilization 500,000 years ago before the catastrophic collapse. | |||
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Squash Monster New Age Retro Hippie Togateiru Fohku Kohgeki!! GRUNGE no HAMSTER otona bite Peace love and turnpike! Level: 40 Posts: 448/677 EXP: 430507 For next: 10802 Since: 03-15-04 From: Maryland (of the Country Between Canada and Mexico) Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| For the love of whatever you believe in, can you people not understand that being idiots does not farther your cause? I have not even yet finished high school, and yet I can refute most of this bullox myself... you can ask me about any of them, and I'll be happy to prove to anyone with half a brain that this is nonsense. That one example I could not refute was "The existence of short-period comets indicates the universe is less than billions of years old." I quite honestly don't know what that statement is trying to say, so I can't refute it. I'm sure someone who has actually studied astronomy wouldn't have any trouble with it. It saddens me that people cannot understand their own religion enough to realise that literal interpretation is the least valuable interpretation. Science and religion are entirely compatable as long as both sides do their best to keep their respective idiots from running around causing mayhem. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 247/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by |+Legion+| Can I have the MP3? I really think that people not believing in evolution is BS. I mean, they have to look at what's in front of their face, and how things are evolving faster, like between centuries. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 4993/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Uh, am I weird if I believe in both evolution AND the bible?  Yes, I |
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -3109/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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| I just figured I'd let you in on one of the main fundamentals: Science is facts. Living matter cannot be created from nonliving matter. Period. And since the Big Bang theroy says that the universe was created in an explosion (from extreme compression, mind you) and that it is extremely doubtful that living matter could have survived said compression and/or the explosion, we're stuck with nonliving matter. And applying the principle above, life cannot come from nonlife, and all of a sudden the BigBang theroy (as well as any evolution based on it) falls apart. science (n) ... the process of gaining knowledge based on making repeated observations about nature in controlled conditions (experimentation) and attempting to explain what causes those observations (theorizing) through constructing hypotheses that can be tested experimentally. Considering we can't test evolution in a controlled enviromnent, it cannot be classified as a science. Also note: Religion is any specific system of belief about deity, often involving rituals, a code of ethics, a philosophy of life, and a worldview. (source) In short: Evolution is NOT science. Evolution is NOT a religion. Evolution IS a theroy.  |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 853/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by XkeeperAnd then knuck shows you the Vacuum/Quantum Fluctuation. Particles can create out of nowhere. With this, BigBang theory stands. But...who said that evolution has anything to do with BigBang? |
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BlackDays Red Tektite Level: 16  Posts: 55/77 EXP: 16399 For next: 3857 Since: 03-23-04 From: The United Nations ... wait, thats not a country? Since last post: 235 days Last activity: 229 days |
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| There are many reasons that I disagree with this article. If I mentioned them, it would be an exercise in futility because we'd be arguing semantics all day long. I want to stay clear of that sort of situation. I find it very interesting, however, how this article comes from an evangelist web-site. That in itself is enough for me to question its validity. Biased information is worse than no information, in my opinion. |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 850/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Squash Monster Short-period (how short? they're not very exact) comets mean that those comets are less than a billion years old. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 211/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper You're using the wrong definition of "theory". The layman's term "theory" being something closer to "hypothesis". See below. And what do you mean evolution can't be observed in a lab? What the hell do you think bacteria do? What do you think all of modern biology is based on? Finally: Life can't come from non-life? You sure? There's a hell of a lot of atoms, only a finite number of types of atoms, and only so many ways in which they can arrange themselves. All you'd need at the very first step is self-repeating patterns that could arise sponteneously from randomness... we don't know precisely how it all happened but there's no reason for saying it "CAN'T" just because we don't know how yet. And "science is facts" is just wacky. Trapster: No you're not weird, you're sensible. Blackdays: That's how these nutters gain currency and credibility - there's so much room to peddle pseudo-scientific garbage because of most people's ignorance of the finer points of scientific rigour. A lot of that article kinda sorta sounds like it might be valid... but unless they have access to this sort of thing most people are never going to be able to figure out why it's all such crap. Take for example the whole "Evolution is just a theory, not fact" bollocks - this gets by people becuase they don't realise that for something to be a valid "theory" in the scientific sense it has to be supported by all available evidence and has to have never been disproven. Evolution is a theory in the same way that Atomic Theory or the Theory of Gravity are theories - ie they're supported and reinforced by every observation made since then, and quite a lot of further study and knowledge has been built off these basic ideas. Without an old universe modern geology and astronomy would collapse - that hasn't happened. Without evolution modern biology and genetics would collapse, obviously that hasn't happened either. (Well, actually to be more precise, Atomic Theory changed with the discovery of protons/neutrons/electrons, and Gravity was superceded by the more all-encompassing theory of general relativity, but in both cases these weren't theories being proved wrong... just inadequate, and needing to be expanded upon. In the same way, the initial Darwin theory of evolution has been massively supported and enhanced by the wealth of genetic knowledge gained since Darwin's time.) (edited by Arwon on 11-09-04 09:00 AM) |
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Squash Monster New Age Retro Hippie Togateiru Fohku Kohgeki!! GRUNGE no HAMSTER otona bite Peace love and turnpike! Level: 40 Posts: 452/677 EXP: 430507 For next: 10802 Since: 03-15-04 From: Maryland (of the Country Between Canada and Mexico) Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper Your whole argument lies on something that has been disproven. In simulations of early, pre-life earth, some of the basic building blocks of life have formed on their own. Look up the Miller-Urey experiment. Originally posted by FreeDOSOh, thanks. That doesn't say a damn thing about the age of the universe.Originally posted by Squash Monster |
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Nebetsu Shmee Level: 55 Posts: 486/1574 EXP: 1291130 For next: 23059 Since: 09-01-04 From: Nebland Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| What the comet thing is refuring to is if the universe is as old as science says it is, then there shouldnt be any comets, since they dont last very long. | |||
Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 125/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by NebetsuI might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that new ones can be made.  Not everything has to exist from the beginning of time. |
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