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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 949/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| CNN News Yet another fatal accident on Britain's High Speed Rail Network. Yet again, my home town Reading is hit hard. Reading has a ver large commuter station, the busiest station outside London. Many of the passengers on the train were probably either from or worked in Reading. I think it's about time someone stepped in and admitted that the high speed rail network is failing us, and not just new trains are needed, but the track itself needs to be radically replaced with a dedicated network, like the French TGV network. It was last year that the Intercity 125 trains were called to be finally replaced after thirty years of service, twenty years more than they were expected to be used. However, it'll be at least a decade before the replacements arrived. Hopefully people will be smart and not blame the train for this accident, and realise that the whole network needs to be upgraded. |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 650/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Reminds me to the Train disaster in Eschede six years ago, here in Germany where 101 people were killed. The major public transport companies need to research on better security and must not save money in essential sectors/materials like brakes, on-board electronics and a good choice of drivers  Especially when it comes dealing to mass transportation vehicles, like the mentioned speed trains ICE, TGV etc. - it might save money to take care less than required for the company, but on the other hand, this is another example where this could lead. In east Europe many trains are ticking time bombs  (edited by Surlent on 11-07-04 08:18 AM) |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 950/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Yep, I watched a documentary on Eschede only a couple of months ago. It was the worst rail disaster on a high speed line and even the accidents on Britain's high speed lines pale in comparison to Eschede. The problem there was a money saving kind of wheel that was fitted to the ICE to soften the ride. It caught on a guard rail at a junction and catastrauphicly derailed the train. The first derailed coach slammed into a bridge support, toppling the bridge and the rest of the coaches slammed into a pileup. The scale of the disaster is truely firghtening. Of course, after the crash all ICEs were fitted with normal wheels, in conjunction with the air suspension that was deemed too expensive to fit to the ICE fleet. Air suspension has been used on the renowned TGV fleet since it was created. Our only problem is that our system has only vaguely imporved since each accident. None of the rail opperators wants to radically invest in a safe, efficient new network. The Government refuse to step in as well. Even though a new network would pay for itself within a decade, the reports were mysteriously hijacked somewhere in Parliament. Nobody wants to know. What I really want to know is whether a trailer articulated train would've reacted differently to the Intercity 125. The TGV fleet is trailer articulated, having wheels placed inbetween coaches rather than at each end. At grade crossing accidents in France, possibly comparible to the one last night, a TGV HAS NEVER BEEN CATASTROPHICLY DERAILED. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 1629/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| another good model is Japan's high speed rail network as well--you really don't hear about rail incidents over there maybe it isn't comparable since it is on its own dedicated line with no cars to interfere? anyways, hopefully reform happens otherwise more of this will happen... |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 4929/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Damn, I thought that the thread title looked like Rail Cash... Lucky that most of the people managed to escape before it crashed...but it still killed 6 people and it shouldn |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 951/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Unfortunately we can't replace the whole system in one go. We need to start replacing the old mainlines with more advanced lines like the Japanese and the French have. Level crossings on mainlines is inviting trouble. It's now suspected that the guy who was killed in the car was suicidal. Makes sense, he had minutes to at least get out of the car. The 125s are fast, but you'd have seen one coming for at least 20 seconds. Edit: Edited thread from "Rail Crash" to "Reading Train Crash" (edited by Kasumi-Astra on 11-07-04 04:07 PM) |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 2010/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Ouch, that's nasty! I live kinda close to the tracks, too.  (But I used to live a LOT closer. Next house over. If a train were to derail there it could very will hit the place. Here, probably not.)Hey, on the subject of trains... Could you get run over by a maglev without being killed? Or would there be like an air cushion that would crush you? |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5889/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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The cycling road beside my house used to have rail tracks. For 50 years ago or something.  Hopefully the try to fix the "worsts" spots or anything. There oughta be parts of the track that is really need of getting an "fix". I at least hope no more accidents occour. Next time it could be alot worse. (edited by Kitten Yiffer on 11-07-04 06:07 PM) |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 953/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I'm pretty sure the Ladbroke Grove accident was the worst we'll see. It involved a train of the same type in last night's crash as well as a local stopping train. It was signal fKitten Yiffer that caused that. The signals were upgraded. 35 or so people died there. Then Selby two years later, five people died because of faulty track. Track across the country was re-fitted. A couple of years ago a train was derailed and slammed into a station sideways at Potters Bar. Faulty repairs due to the work being given to a company who had not done its job properly. This was re-evaluated. Now it's level crossings. Hopefully people will catch on to the fact that level crossings need to be upgraded to prevent such accidents happening. It was only two weeks ago since level crossings had been evaluated as potential death traps. It was only few days since a high profile documentary highlighted how dangerous our railways are. What does this show? Money being poured into an ancient system is often too little too late. We need an advanced new network to replace the oldest railways in the world. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 1633/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| yeah, however, i've noticed that when it comes to upgrading things of old, people do not want to pay more for it, even though they know it will make things better... for example, the aqueduct that feeds the San Francisco Bay Area is in need of repair and upgrade but no one wants to put in the money to fix it... if that aqueduct fails sometime later, a lot of people are going to be in trouble... even then, an improved new system isn't going to happen overnight and people prefer "instant gratification" vs. long term benefits.. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 856/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| So yeah, if I ever visit England, and I plan to, I think I'll be footin it. | |||
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5899/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Now I read it maybe was caused by an suicide attempt. ...I think cars are still more dangerous even after this accident.  |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 857/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Eh at least if I'm driving a car I have some control over my fate. It's the same reason i don't like roller coasters - I'm not at the wheel of it. I'd rather not end up in a hundred some casualty report on account of some freak accident. | |||
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 4950/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker I think it |
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Gywall Silver axe Level: 30 Posts: 143/356 EXP: 164069 For next: 1800 Since: 03-15-04 From: In front of my moniter, where you're not! Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 14 hours |
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| DOn't i know about this.. Bloody paper had two or was it four pages on this. One person wasn't hurt from what i read. (I read the paper if i get totaly bored.) |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 954/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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Seven people died  Anyway. Apparently there was a set of points right after the level crossing. Bingo. After the fKitten Yiffer of the wheel at Eschede, a set of points caused the train to completely derail. The impact of the car on Saturday could've damaged the train enough to catch on the points too  |
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KawaiiImoto-e Hammer Brother Level: 49 Posts: 565/1068 EXP: 852917 For next: 30966 Since: 03-15-04 From: In my own little complicated dreamworld Since last post: 16 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| I read more about it today in the 'Tages Anzeiger' And yeah, it was 'only' 160 km/h fast at the time of collision. But yeah, the tracks where way out of the line after the accident, that shouldn't happen at all (If a Train crashes with a car here, it just 'schleift' it some hundered meters with it. And it misses electrical overhead wires. So, the United Kingdom needs a complete new Trainsystem, if that was one of the more advanced models in that crash. That's my oppinion, and I may be spoiled by the Swiss Railways. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 4970/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra Are you talking about this train crash or the Eschede one, Kas? Six people died in this one. Or did one of the injured die aswell? |
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