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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 27/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Each Final Fantasy seems to have its own cultural/time setting. I'll list what I think they are: FF1: Medieval Japan/Europe FF2: Medieval Japan/Europe FF3: Medieval Japan/Europe FF4: Medieval Japan/Europe FF5: Medieval Japan/High Middle Ages Europe FF6: 19th Century Europe/America FF7: Near Future Japan/West FF8: Near Future Japan/West FF9: Europe During the Age of Discovery (ca. Turn of 17th Century) FF10: Southeast Asia (Time?) Of course certain towns/countries in each of the games may fall into a different cultural setting (The Veldt in FF6, Qu's Marsh in FF9), and the games may not match it perfectly. Nevertheless, this is the sort of atmosphere of those times that I get. In FF6, the World of Balance overworld theme sounds like something from an Old Western, a lot of the characters (the woman dancers, Edgar, Setzer, a lot of the townspeople) dress like they're from 19th Century Europe, and a lot of the towns look like they're from that particular time/place, and the music fits it (Opera, Spinach Rag, etc.). I wonder what other people's opinions of it are. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1508/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| FF7 draws extremely heavily off of obscure Protestant references and Norse mythos. FF9 is a twisted version of the Renaissance. To say that you can draw cultural parallels between these games and actual reality is a slight bit off, arguing from the stand-point of a pretentious humanities bastard, these are simply fantasy tales that as Northworp Frye would've put it...Draw on the herito-cultural movements at the time and relate to the antropological base of all literature. |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 30/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Ziffski, "To say that you can draw cultural parallels between these games and actual reality is a slight bit off, arguing from the stand-point of a pretentious humanities bastard, these are simply fantasy tales that as Northworp Frye would've put it...Draw on the herito-cultural movements at the time and relate to the antropological base of all literature." I covered that statement: "Of course certain towns/countries in each of the games may fall into a different cultural setting (The Veldt in FF6, Qu's Marsh in FF9), and the games may not match it perfectly. Nevertheless, this is the sort of atmosphere of those times that I get." Anyway, FF7 having obscure Protestant references and Norse mythos? I didn't get that at all. It seemed to me to have heavy Jewish themes more than anything else. After all, there's a chosen people (the Cetra aka the Ancients), a Promised Land, and Sephiroth (which is a reference to Jewish mysticism I believe, either way it's Hebrew in origin). As far as a specific culture, I couldn't get such in either 7 or 8. They just seem like near-futuristic worlds that enmesh cultures from all over the world. I agree with you about FF9. After all, the Age of Discovery does sorta equal the Renaissance. I remember Lord Avon's play I Want To Be Your Canary from that game, which is very Shakespearian. I picked Age of Discovery instead of the Renaissance, because you go exploring in that game. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 585/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| FF7 had a lot of Norse stuff, a lot of Hebrew stuff and a few other things in between. It was quite interesting. I'd say FFVII had a "Cyberpunk" culture. Sure, that isn't a setting that actually physically exists (thank god!), but it sure as hell exists in literature, and FFVII had loads of it. It wasn't as gritty as some cyberpunk worlds (which are often very, very bleak) but it was a fairly bleak world... |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 32/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Yeah! Cyberpunk! That was the other thing I was looking for too! No wonder FF7 became so popular! It came out just when the cyberpunk culture really started coming out! | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1509/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| You haven't studied any sort of Christian religious material, have you? Then again, no one in their right mind actually bothers with that... The entire plot of FF7 stinks of Mormonism. The Promised Land, the Punished Ancients, and even the Sephiroth (which although of Kaballahic origin was adapted by John Smith for the use of the Mormon movement). Remember, he was visited by Malachot...Which is almost always though to be Malkuth. "Sephiroth, The ~ A superior group of angels divided into groups of Good and Evil. The Holy Sefiroth are comprised of ten primary angels of the Cabala. Each is a manifestation of God, representing the ten divine characteristics that rule and shape the world. They are Kether (Crown), Chokmah (Wisdom) Binah (Understanding), Chesed (Mercy), Geburah (Strength), Tiphereth (Beauty), Netzach (Victory), Hod (Splendor), Jesod (Foundation), and Malkuth (Kingdom). Variations of Sephiroth are Sefirot and Sefiroth. Archangels of the Holy Sephiroth include Metatron, Raziel, Zadkiel, Kamael, Michael, Haniel, Raphael, and Gabriel. The Unholy Sephiroth are Chaigidiel, Gamaliel, Gamchicoth, Golab, Harab, Serap, Lilith, Sammael (The Serpent of Eden), Sathariel, Thaumiel, and Togarini." I know alot of people are going to yell at me saying that Mormons aren't Protestants. The simple fact is that a Protestant is anyone who is not a Catholic. The Norse stuff...Nifelheim, Midgaard, the Midgaard serpent. Even the idea of the Meteor is all drawn from the concept of the Ragnarok. Personally, I feel that FF8's setting is unimportant, but it is rather a very large metaphor is that a world where people are devoided of love, yaddayaddayadda. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 605/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by beneficii No, Cyberpunk has been around for a lot longer, but it was prominent in a few things at that time too.... |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1512/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Cyberpunk can be set back all the way to the 20s following WW1 where apocalyptic visions of control through machines really started emerging. Cyberpunk regained its "steam" in the 90s with the re-realization through a Japanese and Western joint rediscovery with things like the Matrix, Ghost in the Shell and the Neuromancer. | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 613/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| *nodnod* George Orwell's 1984 is partially cyberpunk. The world is controlled, partly though the use of technology (the Telescreens). Cyberpunk is usually very dark.... FFVII has cyberpunk elements, but it's not entirely cyberpunk either.... |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1608/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Holy Shit I actually understood some of that. Anyways, I would say that through time lines, every single one is a repeat of our very exsistance, just with magic. How much lost technology is there in every game? (FF4 the space ship and the Babel Giant, I can't think of any for FF5, I think you got 6 right on the dot, 7 meh I couldn't say anything about it, 8 the gardens had many secrets giving you the impression that they were lost technology, 9 still there seemed to be an anchient civilation that knew everything already, 10 well that was obvious, It was after the destruction of our world and the technology was left behind, 11 (if you want to mention it) runs with the same timeline as 9 I would say.) (sorry for that horrid sentence structure.) I may have to disagree with the cyber punk theme though. The world wasn't that bleak, just the places around midgar. This does still make it fall under cyberpunk I know, but I just had to say that  . |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 637/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Like I said, it's not as bleak as most cyberpunk, but Midgar was very bleak, and most of the towns were affected by Midgar too... particularly Gongaga which got it the worst, boom! It definitely has cyberpunk influence. Hell the anime Bubblegum Crisis is considered Cyberpunk, and it's exactly horribly bleak either. Now Akira on the other hand... |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1541/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| And like she said, not all CP is bleak, a good deal of it is a take on "good" things in life. Golden Saucer anyone? | |||
Ramadan Roy Like Like ...Or you'll be wearing your ass for a hat. Renowned Otaku Level: 44 Posts: 443/816 EXP: 569705 For next: 41580 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I would say that FF7 involves both cyberpunk and steampunk themes. It offers a futuristic society with both computers and such technology as well as the more primitive, steel & labor based technology. FF6 is more STEAMPUNK than FF7, and FF8 is more CYBERPUNK than FF7.(for obvious reasons) Anyone else notice that? | |||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1133/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Pardon me, but Steampunk? That sounds kinda like what people in the 1850s would expect in their science fiction. Is that what it is? I've always loved the prospect of amazing things being done with mundane technology (I.E. Steam engines), maybe that's why I liked 6, 7, and Tactics so much. Speaking of which, aren't we all forgetting about Ivalice? I mean, 12 takes place there, so we might as well take a look at that place. I'm a bit rusty on my Tactical history, but let's lay the facts out: We've got an inquisition going on, the churches are attacking heretics and pagans (as is evidenced by Ramza's conflicts with the church) and are influencing the governments of several nations in destructive ways. The pagan persecution is obvious: Drawing from the Roman Catholic church's suppression of heretics through its own inquisition office. Then we have the warring countries, the church pulling the strings behind it all...... I'm guessing..... The Crusades. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 663/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Grey A good example of Steampunk would be the anime series Trigun. Speaking of Ivalice... what about the Ivalice in FF Tactics Advance? Other than that it's cute.  |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 1627/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I can't wait for 12, maybe Square will finally do something smart for a change, but I am not sure if they are going to keep that cultural setting. This did just bring up a question though, is there going to be a tribute to Ramza or maybe he is even a character later on. I mean think about it, what really happened to him? This game has potential for greatness, but if SE messes up one more time I am going to their headquarters to file a complaint. (and maybe burn them down... just maybe.) | |||
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1137/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Well, they leave the fate of Ramza open to interpretation. Some circles say he's alive, others say he's dead. Personally I say he lived through the end of FFTactics, but there's just as much evidence supporting that as there is refuting it. Leave it to Square at its height to make a story like Tactics'. Of course, regardless of what happens to Ramza, Delita's still a bastard. |
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Heian-794 Red Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 516/896 EXP: 611014 For next: 271 Since: 06-01-04 From: Kyoto, Japan Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 10 days |
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| I've noticed how these games love to have a past civilization that was more powerful than the current one -- it feels to me like a kind of wish fulfillment. Ever since European archaeologists first started exploring the Egyptian pyramids in the 1800s, people have been throwing theories around about all the magical things they could do. FF4 with its Lunarians brough tto mind Erich von Daniken's theory of "ancient astronauts" who visited mankind millennia ago and gave us some of our technology. In FFT, there are many references to how Ivalice was once much more advanced than it is now, just as the average peasant in Europe around AD 1200 was barely aware of how great Rome had once been. You've also got lots of hints that the areas surrounding Ivalice are prosperous and civilized in comparison, just as the Middle East was at this time for us. When I first played these games, I really liked this ancient-technology stuff -- wouldn't it be cool if we found things like this in the real world?, etc., etc. But now I'm starting to feel that humans can take more pride in knowing that the civilization they've built is the greatest yet seen, and that there's no precedent saying that it'll go into decline. |
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Garmichael Octoballoon Level: 21  Posts: 152/166 EXP: 47489 For next: 2454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Bremerton, Wa Since last post: 316 days Last activity: 113 days |
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| Hopefully, FF12 will be based on FFT's ivalice rather than FFTA's. I noticed that those vierra race chicks are in FF12, and thats got me doubting. Since FF6 is my favorite FF, follorwed closely by FFT, Im really hoping FF12 isnt a piece of fanboy crap. In any case, I also wanted to mention that this is preobably the best thread thats ever been on this board. Its made me want to play through FF6, and while playing it, Im picking up on alot of it's subtleties that i took for granted the first 3 times through. Thanks for all your insight. I wish i could think of something to add. |
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Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61  Posts: 632/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I never really could understand what time FF7 was in...it seemed like the future in some cases, but in others it seemed almost really early in time...almost midevil..with some futuristic qualities...FF8 was somewhat the same way but not as much..now, FF9 is midevil, with a little futuristic added on...and they make several references to FF7, and 8 in 9, so it almosts leads on to believe its later then them... |
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