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Who do you want to win the up coming Election?| George W Bush |
26.7%, 28 votes | John Kerry |
53.3%, 56 votes | Other |
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94rf1eld Rat Level: 17  Posts: 17/99 EXP: 21911 For next: 2832 Since: 06-25-04 From: England, UK Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by MutationOriginally posted by cartmic Why dont you backup your opinions and say what Bush has F**ked up |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18  Posts: 43/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| People can't blame 9/11 on George Bush. There's certainly nothing he could've done to prevent it, so blaming the economy on him would be ignorant, for the economy had fallen because of 9/11. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 2263/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Davideo7 Oh yes there very well was. All conspiracy theories aside, our security sucked ass. We had gotten so complacent over the years, thinking it could have never happened to us. And one of the most important jobs of the president is to make sure the nation is kept safe. We were wide open. |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 44/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| Bush is dominating the Presidential Debate, there's no doubt that George Bush is gonna dominate the election. Ohh, and I found somethin interesting, Kerry is sorta racist, he's been caught saying alot of racist remarks against blacks. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 2476/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Davideo7 "hussein...uh, I mean Bin Laden"  |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 45/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| Also, most woman are supporting Bush, simply because they just don't trust Kerry. | |||
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 506/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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| BUSH: YOU CAN'T SEND MIXED SIGNALS BUSH: YOU CAN'T SEND MIXED SIGNALS BUSH: YOU CAN'T SEND MIXED SIGNALS BUSH: YOU CAN'T SEND MIXED SIGNALS |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 47/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| One things for sure, this is gonna be a reeaal close election, maybe not as close as the last one, but it's still gonna be close. I still think Bush will get it though, if he somehow pulled it off last election, he'll be able to do it again. (edited by Davideo7 on 10-21-04 12:34 AM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 156/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| That will prove that the majority of america pays so little attention to facts right in front of their face that it won't matter =/. | |||
Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 17/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Im not old enough to vote, but if I was I would be voting for Bush. I very much dislike both of them, and I find it very disappointing that we have to deal with one of them for the next 4 years no matter what. Neither of them have solid foundations, and the damn flip flopping is never going to change. Bush has not done anything during his presidency to be proud about, so he really doesnt deserve another term. But Kerry.. I dont trust him at all. He never tells the people what his "plans" are, he cant make up his mind, and he's just... unctuous. And then there is Edwards, who is even worse than both Kerry and Bush, if possible. That guy makes me sick. It seems that the only reason people are agains Bush is because of 9/11 and the fall of the economy that followed. Honestly folks, what could he do? The same thing would have happened with any president, so why blame Bush? I dont agree with the war, but it hasnt been all for nothing. A lot of changes have happened in Iraq because of it, so even if his decision to go in the first place was shaky.. something great came out of it. Everyone has to focus on the bad, it makes no sense. If Kerry is elected, will all of the bad just vanish? No. So why is everyone so willing to put an inexperienced guy in the driver's seat? Plus, I cant look at Kerry without laughing my ass off anymore. Did anyone see what he did at the second debate? He was talking about some senates, himself and two others. That is a total of 3, right? He held up two fingers. "All three of us voted to pass blah blah blah..." and he fricken held up two fingers. Yeah, future president right there. But Im not 18, so I cant vote. I wont put in my vote here either. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1124/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Well fought. But, you seem to have forgotten one thing... www.emogame.com/bushgame You think Bush hasn't done anything wrong? Play this. If you refuse to, I might as well just elaborate right now. First and foremost, the fall of the economy is a little bit of an understatement. The United States of America has spent more money under the Bush Administration than any previous presidency. And by "more money" I mean we're in the biggest friggin budget trouble we've ever been in. Even worse than William McKinley's gold standard, even worse than Herbert Hoover (is it Hoover...?) and the Great Depression, even worse than William Howard Taft and his obsession with the Phillipines, and even worse than the granddaddy of them all, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Pardon me for saying this, but the fall of the economy is a LITTLE BIT worse than losing the war in Iraq, seeing as how if we lose in Iraq, that's ok because we can always say we tried and we can always go back someday, or better yet just leave well enough alone. Of course, if our economy goes down the trash hole, that's a bit more than just one country in the Middle East, it's the fall of FUCKING AMERICA ITSELF. We are losing so much money annually so fast that if this continues at the rate it's going, we're gonna be hundreds of billions of dollars in the hole, moreso than we are now! The fall of the economy was not caused by 9/11, either. It was caused by massive increases in military spending, the establishment of a certain useless Department involving the Security of our Homeland and the various useless programs that followed its creation. You know the color alert system of terrorist threat? You know how pointless that is? You know that we paid for that? Yeah, we did. So we are paying for a redundant terrorist alarm to defend us against people who wouldn't dare attack us more than once and have yet to in the last three years that they've been a "threat". And also, you think Kerry's stupid? You really think he's a moron because he raised two fingers when he meant to raise three? How about you? Have you ever done that? You know, made a small mistake that you can look back and laugh about? I'm sure you have, and I'm sure you don't think you're a moron. Kerry isn't a moron because he forgot to raise the correct number of fingers while talking heatedly about an important subject, and I can assure you that if that does indeed make him a moron, then there really is no hope for all of humanity. Oh, and if he's a moron, then.... well.... yeah. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 395/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| The national debt as a percentage of our GDP is actually quite small. By no means is the American economy suffering (look at the latest growth rates)... it's a good point that Bush's "borrow-and-spend" policies are a recipe for disaster, but don't be too dramatic about things. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2301/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Davideo7 Your header certainly holds true here. You gave no examples of racist remarks, you are ignorant in that you can't see that the general population actually gave the edge to Kerry and not Bush in the debates, and as far as your other post about women, perhaps the women YOU talk to are voting for him, but I have seen no evidence ANYWHERE suggesting that the majority of women that will be voting will be voting for Bush. Besides, several commissions and Congressmen have been writing reports with EVIDENCE (something I have yet to see you use) that is helping Kerry and hurting Bush. So to say Bush will dominate the election is just stupid. Especially when your reason is that he dominated the debates, and that Kerry is a racist woman-hater who people don't trust. EDIT: for those who don't know, his header says: "This is probably just another dumb ass post by me" EDIT2: Here's an excerpt of a post I made at another forum; I thought it had a few things for people to think about, and it regards Iraq and what we are doing there. I think someone like Danielle would find some interesting things to read in this post: '...yes, I'm sure there were some terrorists there, but no one that was a threat to anyone outside of Iraq. America certainly was not endangered, which seems to be what Bush keeps on saying. And he seems to be the only person left on his own administration saying that. Even trigger-happy Rumsfeld acknowledges the facts; Powell acknowledges the facts; Cheney acknowledges those facts; everyone but Bush acknowledges them. And if he does acknowledge them, he certainly doesn't talk like he does so. The fact is, if the reason for going to Iraq was to protect America, then there was no point in going there. It doesn't matter whether there were WMDs there or not, though that seems to be a hefty issue as well. Iraq posed no threat to America, so there was no reason to conquer it, which we have basically done. We are not only getting oil and other valuable resources from there, but we are also occupying it, and essentially turning it into a U.S. territory. It is following the same path that much of South America did when the countries down there were in the process of being occupied by the U.S.; America's excuse was that they were making it a democratic country, when in fact they are overtaking it and implanting all of the U.S. cultures and trying to kick out as much of the Iraqi culture as possible. Britain did the same with so many countries in the past. In our history books, you will find many positive statements about the Britains "modernizing" the countries that they took over, but then when you get to the part about India breaking away, you find that they have a negative tone toward Britain, as they do when America breaks away. We seem to look at the British Empire at its prime as a conquering, evil group of people... yet in those same books, USA's conflicts with South America give USA the benefit of the doubt and say that we were helping those countries become more democratic. In fact, what followed our "efforts to make those countries a democracy" were dictatorships. So, in short, America basically sponsored dictators in South America. We are now occupying Iraq and "trying to turn it into a democracy"... because the greatest indicator of what current actions will be in a given situation is what actions happened in the past in the same situations, what is to make us think that there will not be yet another dictatorship coming into Iraq once America has drained the place of all the resources it might want or need?' If you would like to see the whole post, go to here and read the really long ass post by ForeverNoobish, which is me. EDIT3: as a side note, sometimes we actually have good debates there; if you are interested in some other viewpoints, including those of extremists from both ends, check that specific forum in TKZ out sometime. (edited by Kefka on 10-21-04 11:58 PM) (edited by Kefka on 10-22-04 12:16 AM) (edited by Kefka on 10-22-04 12:18 AM) |
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Danielle Local Moderator Level: 76 Posts: 20/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Im not saying that Bush hasnt made mistakes. He certainly has. I know that the US is in major debt, too. What I dont get is what will change. Kerry being elected will by no means erase the debt or make life easier for Americans. What could Kerry possibly do that Bush isnt or cant? Sure, he can raise taxes to an obsene amount to try to cover up the debt, but what good will that do? More homeless people on the streets. Oh, he voted to decrease taxes? Okay, even more debt. Its a lose-lose situation for whoever gets elected. The economy was caused by 9/11, though indirectly sometimes. The military efforts and those damn terrorist warnings would not be needed if it werent for 9/11, but what could Bush have done? He might have overdone it with some things, yes, but it was for the greater good. The debt issue will have to be dealt with, and the economy will more than likely grow again. Things take time. No, I never said Kerry was stupid. I wasnt comparing myself to him, either. That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Yeah, Ive made mistakes before, I might have even miscounted in one of those mistakes. But for goodness sake, I cant compare with that man in that manner. He knows what he is talking about in his debates, as does Bush. If I wanted to call Kerry a moron, I would do so with much more practical reasons. But I have no intention of calling him a moron. Like I said, lose-lose situation. It sucks. Kefka, that was an ineresting post, but Im not sure I agree with it. Yes, the US did go to Iraq in hopes of making it a democracy, but I dont think America plans on claiming the territory. I dont really understand the purpose for the war, because it wasnt necessary. But if you are right, I will be very disappointed in the government. Well... Like Im not already sick of the government. Blah. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 1607/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| God I wish I had my debate evidence with me. Anyways, first of all, Iraq was a huge fKitten Yiffer. We shouldn't have gone over there we got nothing from this and they got nothing from this. We should have just nuked 'em and be done with 'em. We lost a lot of money going into that war as Grey so, the best word I can think of is extremely, put. 9/11 just spurred a bunch of events, but an intelligent person would have not gone so crazy with the "national security". It has never been tested, but many people call it a success. We have more important problems than Iraq right now and one of them was the person who organized 9/11. So whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? We originally went over there to check, but Bush decided we should go to Iraq. A very wierd decision as America shouldn't try multilatteral operations and should stick to unilatteral, but anyways, we didn't and that hurt both places. Really when is the last time you have heard something about Afghanistan? I have to say I hate both Kerry and Bush, but Karry can't actually be worse can he? If I really cared about the country, I would just say "Forget this, Nader all the way!" Of course the point that we don't actually vote for the president is rather stupid and the elctorial college should be killed. Popular vote matters not what some senators say. Even though I still believe Bush shouldn't have been elected anyways, I guess I really can't say anything about that. Still I would prefer someone new than someone old. As Chris Rock in the movie where he ran for president. "I have seen some of the best singers at the Apollo on amateur night." (Don't take that word for word, but that was basically what he said.) Anyways, there is no real point to keep an idiot there and not let some slightly lesser idiot take over, or if you wanted you could somehow make everyone vote for Bugs Bunny and see what happens. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 179/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| "To the Editor: As a maternity social worker at a Catholic hospital, I work with low-to-middle-income mothers, mostly working, who are struggling with an unplanned pregnancy. Programs like Section 8 housing, food stamps and subsidized day care convince many of our moms that they can continue their pregnancies and still manage a decent life. The Bush administration has tried to weaken all of these, while calling itself pro-life. It argues that adoption is the answer for unwanted pregnancies. But when a poor mom sees her baby for the first time, she loves it no less than a wealthy mom. Why should these mothers be told that adoption is the only option, while well-to-do mothers can easily keep their babies? John Kerry is the true pro-life candidate. Affordable housing, day care and health insurance will prevent many more abortions than the punitive policies of the Bush administration. Eileen Sullivan Binghamton, N.Y., Oct. 12, 2004" Just a fun random letter to stir up the abortion thing. If I havent brought it up here before, I think it's worth considering the ramifications for the Supreme Court depending on who wins. EVEN IF THE CANDIDATES ARE AS BAD AS EACH OTHER THIS CAN BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM. There's several justices nearing retirement or death, and that means the president will probably get to appoint new ones. bush would almost certainly appoint radical fundamentalist type judges as per his ideology - he'd be happy with the ten commandments in every school, and denying the right to not say the pledge of allegiance, etc etc etc. Kerry I'm not sure about, he's spoken about women's rights, the PATRIOT Act and stuff. I think as a Democrat we can safely assume his appointments would be a lot more benign and better for the country's direction (rememeber we're talking decades of influence here) than a "I want to overturn Roe vs Wade" type hardliner fundie appointed by the hard-right sector of the Republican Party. |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 48/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| I don't know if people realize it, but Liberals are always so willing to ban the beliefs of the bible, if the left wingers had their way, the Holy Bible would be banned. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/24/politics/main645393.shtml Another thing you liberals don't realize is that the people who are trying to get video games banned are all liberals. Democrats are against video games. http://slashdot.org/features/01/05/27/173239.shtml http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5351969 http://www.macworld.com/news/2002/05/06/videogames/index.php http://www.nuketown.com/templates/blog.php?id=19 http://www.yeek.com/news/news.cgi/article/EpVApkpFyuuvUhvyyP0364 from the first video game ban link... "It is so very interesting when liberals see censorshop they will raise a cry up to high-heaven, unless, of course, it is censorship by Democrats. Interesting, also, that among the forms of censorship, that by the left is the most insidious - in the name of eliminating 'hate speech', they bypass the 1st Amendment quite effectively. Hence we have cases such as the recent school which celebrated 'Gay Pride' day, yet the same school also threatened suspending a student for wearing a 'Straight Pride' t-shirt - in the name of restricting 'hate speech'. After all, if the media and politicians were to be taken as true, we would all know that 'hate speech' can only be spoken by heterosexual white males, and 'hate crimes' cannot be committed by minorities. Something to think about... " From the last link I posted... "Get ready for another "Ban Violent Games" onslaught by the loony liberals of the US. The Washington Sniper Lee Boyd Malvo was apparently hooked on Halo, and often practiced with fellow killer John Muhammad in Sniper mode... I wonder if the DA's office will also mention that these two guys were raging pyschopaths? I doubt it, it'd be far easier to blame Halo for there murder spree..." Also something to think about, aren't Liberals supposedly for human rights? How could they be when their trying to ban everything and prevent people from doing ceratin things. Liberals have been working on banning Cigarettes for a while, I don't smoke, but I think it's ridiculous how their for human rights and yet they want to ban everything. Oh, and remember kids, Communists are extreme liberals... (edited by Davideo7 on 10-23-04 02:44 AM) (edited by Davideo7 on 10-23-04 02:49 AM) (edited by Davideo7 on 10-23-04 02:51 AM) (edited by Davideo7 on 10-23-04 01:20 PM) |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 263/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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bother parties have their pro's and cons, for me the middle ground comes in the following:
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 1611/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Be reasonable though, if they wanted to ban video games they would have several million people pissed off at themm because we like video games. If they try it and it passes it wont stop anyone, I mean we already have pirates anyways so what is to stop a new breed? Anyways, like I said there is not really anyone worth voting for so you might as well vote for Bugs Bunny and see what happens. Both parties suck, wait, all parties suck. Get rid of the electorial college and umm yeah I have said everything I know about. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 396/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Oh, man. Worst letter ever. And you don't need to be a religious fundamentalist to realize that the Roe v. Wade decision is pretty much bullshit from a Constitutional perspective. "Right to privacy"? Which amendment was that again? But really.. if Bush tries to appoint any real crazies, they probably won't be confirmed. That's all. Originally posted by Gavin I wouldn't call libertarians moderates. They're just a mixture of a couple extremes.  |
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