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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12  Posts: 8/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| Go to www.brinkoflight.com to see my site. I programmed it, and I am in the process of programming a message board out of Cold Fusion. It will be up soon. Tell me what you think of the site, and be sure to check out the staff application button if you think you'd make a good full mod or local mod. I think I did a pretty good job with the site myself. | |||
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54  Posts: 742/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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Yeah, it looks ok I guess, pretty good, but this is kind of just advertising...  |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 1217/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I'Ve been wondering: What the Hell is Cold Fusion? What type of language is it? | |||
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54 Posts: 743/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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| ColdFusion is a language for creating web applications, like javascript. It was created my Macromedia. You can view the product here | |||
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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 18/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| It's an awesome web design program. It works a LOT better than other programs. As far as web design goes, it's second only to HomeSite5, which is an upgraded version of ColdFusion. If you use FrontPage, and you think it's great (first of all you're weird) then you need to try ColdFusion because it is so much better. And it's not really advertising. True, it links to a message board that isn't up yet, but I mainly wanted for people to go there and see the masterpiece of coding it is. And if you view it as advertising, don't. Why? Because it's not intended to be that. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 588/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by AghBobWhat the fuck. You're getting your terms mixed together. ColdFusion is a programming language and the engine driving it, and it generates (in 95 cases of 100) web pages. Its competitors are amongst other PHP, ASP technology (ASP+VBScript, etc), ASP.NET technology (ASP.NET+C#, etc), CGI technology (CGI+Perl, etc) or JSP (Java Server Pages). ColdFusion generates web pages - 'dynamic' pages. HomeSite is an HTML editor that can also write ColdFusion. HomeSite is not a programming language, it's not an engine driving a programming language, and it doesn't generate web pages. What it does is save and allow you to type out HTML or ColdFusion code (and PHP too for that matter), but it's just an editor, it doesn't run any of this code. FrontPage is also an HTML editor but more focused on WYSIWYG ("what you see is what you get" - which is no longer totally true) editing than plain text editing. There is some software called FrontPage extensions, designed to be placed on the server, but even this doesn't make FrontPage the HTML editor function in any way like PHP or ColdFusion does. |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 1329/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Wow, that's a good explanation Jesper. I think I'll stick with PHP. | |||
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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 26/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| Your choice. And ColdFusion IS a programming language but it comes in a program called ColdFusionStudio4. HomeSite is the replacement of ColdFusionStudio. Why? Because they didn't make any more Cold Fusion programs. They just created HomeSite in which there is a lot of ColdFusion capabilities or what not. Anyway, PHP is great, but trust me...once you have the hang of ColdFusion, it's soooo much better. |
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ProtoGuts Newcomer Level: 6 Posts: 5/9 EXP: 574 For next: 333 Since: 08-06-04 Since last post: 433 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| wow just because you say coldfusion is better... I think I'm gonna switch to that... [/sarcasm] PHP... pheer the php... and the php girls...  (edited by ProtoGuts on 08-17-04 03:28 PM) |
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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 30/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| Hahahaha (with sarcasm). IT IS BETTER. I can't explain it, because I really don't know how, but it is much better. But, I really need some help now. I got the code for the board from somebody and it's in ColdFusion, but it's being run on MS SQL databases. I need it to be run on Access databases or MY SQL. Why? Because MS SQL databases will make my hosting fees go up by $80 that's why. Anyway, does ANYBODY KNOW how to change it from MS SQL TO ACCESS or to MY SQL? (edited by AghBob on 08-17-04 08:41 PM) |
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Dylan Devil Trumpets and Angel Trombones ~ Level: 54 Posts: 813/1407 EXP: 1181697 For next: 52173 Since: 06-19-04 From: Ottawa, Canada. Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by AghBob Oh my, you certainly do know how to make a convincing statement. Saying something is better when you can't even back it up is something 5 year olds tend to do. |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 1406/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| SO far, I've hear nothing that ColdFusion can do and that PHP can't. (edited by Cervantes on 08-17-04 11:48 PM) |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 621/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by AghBobThat still doesn't make HomeSite a programming language any more than it makes my editor of choice, EditPad Pro, a programming language. You write the scripts with whatever program you have. That program is not the programming language, nor is it the interpreter, nor is it the compiler, nor is it the tokenizer, nor is it the web server, nor is it the database server. And, like Cervantes stated, I have yet to hear a convincing argument why ColdFusion is better - just saying it is doesn't make it so, you know. |
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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 32/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| Okay, you guys asked for it... What makes Cold Fusion better? Well, in all text books that teach Cold Fusion, they have in there two types of programming language that they compare. On one page, they have Cold Fusion. On the other, they have a language such as php or asp. In this particular example, the book shows you how to do something with each language. When you look at it, Cold Fusion takes a considerable amount of less coding than the other language does. Meaning that when you code with CF, you code less and get the same thing accomplished. Below are the URLs for two sites that I would like for you two to visit. The first is a site made by the man who is the EXPERT on ColdFusion. On this particular page, he lists categories in which you can find multiple CF sites. Look at the coding for those pages and you'll see why it's better. The second is another site that will accuaint you with the uberness of CF. http://www.forta.com/cf/using/ http://www.cffaq.com/ There you go gentlemen. |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 1437/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| But is there actually something that CF can do that others can't ('cept less code). So far, except the fact that the code can be shorter, I haven't seen anything else to it. Is there anything else to it. Does CF cost money to use (to set up everything you need). | |||
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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 33/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| It costs money to BUY it, but nothing else that I know of. And it's basically like every other programming language, except it's much more efficient and it's way easier to learn. | |||
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 1439/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| If it costs money, then I think it's not superior to anything. Php is free, and it's good. Why use something you have to pay for when you can do the same things for free. | |||
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AghBob Red Goomba Level: 12 Posts: 34/45 EXP: 6385 For next: 1536 Since: 08-12-04 From: Crestview, FL Since last post: 414 days Last activity: 337 days |
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| Because if you want to be a web designer as a career nobody who will pay you lots will hire you unless you use top of the notch stuff like CF. You can get hired if you like to use php sure, but the people who will pay you lots and know about web design won't hire you unless you're good at CF. If you want to keep going with php, fine. Myself, I'll stick to CF because I KNOW that it is easier to learn and more efficient. I'd rather pay money to make money than to not do so. php is great, but CF is better. There are lots of people who agree with me, but unfortunately they're not on this board. | |||
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 1441/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I can already make money with the programming skills I have (In fact, I already did). I still haven't seen many things to make me think CF is better. Saying it's better and that you can make money....and bla....bla..bla. Doesn't mean anything to me. I know people who became professional web designer/programmer by using other things than CF. And from what I've read, Php enabled web servers are alot easier to find (in fact, they're everywhere). Is there a list of what CF can do, somewhere? This could help alot. And so far, I haven't fouded Php hard at all. It took me some time to figure out what I could do with it and everything. But now I'm coding a board, I've put around 10 hours of work on it (really not much time) and I was able to make every essencial features and some others to play around (My admin panel that I'm gonna call "Tirant Admin Cp"). And do you absolutely need some program to make your scripts (like "ColdFusion something") or can you script with any text program? | |||
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69 Posts: 626/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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Originally posted by AghBobWe have that in PHP too. It's called making your own functions.  Seriously though, while good base functionality is great, (PHP has over 100 function groups - most optional and installed or enabled with extensions) it's not everything there is to a language. I'd rather have a versatile language like PHP than what I've seen of CF (before what you've shown me and after what you've shown me - I've seen way more CF material before today than I saw today). I'm a bit curious though; Does it have variable functions? Arrays? Hashes? References? Classes? Passing arguments by reference? Originally posted by AghBobYahoo runs off of PHP. MySQL's website too. As does Penny Arcade. As does MediaWiki, the software behind Wikipedia. Name even three big non-Macromedia sites run with CF that you'd guess most of us have heard of. The only chance you'd have of getting a pay for CF work that would be superior to the same work done in PHP would be if you were to upgrade or rewrite a current CF system which could absolutely not move to PHP for any reason. Sure, there aren't many CF programmers, but there aren't many CF sites needing them, either. Claiming CF is top notch stuff and will get you paid more than PHP is in fact the biggest lie I've heard this month, hands down. Check your facts. |
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