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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Super Mario World hacking - Petition to Split the SMW Board |
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Should the SMW board be split in two?| One sub-board would be for newbie questions and information; the second sub-board would be for ROM hack releases and previously uncharted progress in understanding SMW. | Yes |
35.0%, 14 votes | No |
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Escherial Shyguy Level: 17 Posts: 42/90 EXP: 20866 For next: 3877 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pasadena, CA Since last post: 202 days Last activity: 38 days |
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| Not to be elitist or anything, but I feel that the sheer volume of people asking how to do basic things with Lunar Magic, etc. is stifling creative and new hacks. (I consider anything that hasn't previously been done to be advanced and anything that an editor exists for to be basic, by the way.) Naturally, if the boards were split, there'd be a lot more traffic on the newbie board than the advanced board, but I think that that'd help the programmers in the community to concentrate on hacking more than addressing newbie questions. I'm not sure if this is practical in the larger scope of the rest of the acmlm boards, but I think it's worth considering. Thanks for listening and please don't think I'm an elitist bastard  |
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SM_Gamer Shyguy Level: 17  Posts: 61/93 EXP: 21882 For next: 2861 Since: 03-17-04 From: The depths of SR388 Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I would really like the split idea for this fourm. But, if this fourm is split, the Rom Hacking one most likely must be split! I'll say to split the fourm | |||
Juggling Joker Boomerang Brother SMW Hacking Moderator Yeah, JAMH is still being worked on. Level: 48 Posts: 250/1033 EXP: 811447 For next: 12096 Since: 03-15-04 From: Wyoming Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Splitting is a bad idea. I have never EVER been "stifled" by having to answer a new person's questions. | |||
knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 550/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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What about no?  Stupid idea btw. And also there is no such a thing as subforums in an acmlmboard.  |
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Chickenlump Level: 41  Posts: 311/722 EXP: 474192 For next: 5953 Since: 03-15-04 From: Columbia City Indiana Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Though not stifled by the newbies (I don't hack SMW much), I do like the idea of a 'Beginer's SMW board', with stickies filled with tutorials about Lunar Magic, ExGFX, LM Easter Eggs, etc... a board that I wouldn't have to seperate the newbie threads from the meaty new information threads. I don't know if making a sub board would be easy or even desireable to Acmlm or whoever is in charge these days, but I like the idea. Not that my opinion counts for much. :/ On the other hand, we called out for a Pokemon Forum to stop the Pokemon influx and cluttering of the Rom-Hacking board, and we got it. It is doing quite well I might add, and Rom Hacking has never looked so Pokemon-Free (a very good thing I might add) .... |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1013/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Gee, did you post that here just to avoid reading the FAQ? How about a sticky thread containing newbie questions? (edited by Cymoro on 08-05-04 06:39 PM) (edited by Cymoro on 08-05-04 06:40 PM) |
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Aioria Boss Bass  Yes I will!! ;D  Middle Ages Warrior Level: 58 Posts: 609/1567 EXP: 1516086 For next: 61460 Since: 03-15-04 From: near the pneumon ultramicroscop icsilicovolcanoconiosis land Since last post: 19 days Last activity: 19 days |
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I guess a thread only for newbie questions, as cymoro said, would be a better idea than split the forum  (edited by Aioria on 08-05-04 07:02 PM) |
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KATW King Yoshi "If you stare at something long enough, it can be funny." Level: 86  Posts: 1545/3959 EXP: 6087979 For next: 54128 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| No... bad idea... and pointless. This is the "SUPER MARIO WORLD HACKING FOURM" This is where all questions on SMW will be answered. Not in the "Super Mario World newbie subsection C class A I need help in Lunar Magic" fourm, alright? |
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Keikonium Banned Level: NAN Posts: 417/-2459 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 04-02-04 Since last post: 63 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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I come here to answer questions.When I help some one out it makes me feel like I am actually helping out the community, even if I need lots of help me self. So my answer is no. |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47  Posts: 299/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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That is a very interesting question. On one hand, Acmlm's was once a pure professional romhacking board, and I am not even sure whether editing SMW using LM only can be still called romhacking. A new board for advanced/ASM-enabled SMW hacking would help keeping up some professional niveau and make serious conversation possible. One the other one, elitism is evil and a new board's creation would kinda split the SMW hacking community. And we still couldn't prevent especially arrogant n00bs or wannabe-l33th4xx0rs (*casts a fierce look at orynider*  ) to post into the "advanced" board, and the only solution to this would be that an administrator has to toggle some switch in your profile in order to give you the right to post in there, which means an extra amount of work for the admins.Yet, my vote goes for the first one, as I'm kind of tired to see good and senseful threads drown among the gnawing flood of "HELP ME I HAVE PROBS WITH LUNAR MAGIC" and "you all suck explain me how to make asm". As for the n00b question thread, I like the idea much, of course, but I'm quite sure that won't work for the same reason I already explained above. (edited by blackhole89 on 08-06-04 04:30 AM) (edited by blackhole89 on 08-06-04 04:32 AM) |
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Escherial Shyguy Level: 17 Posts: 43/90 EXP: 20866 For next: 3877 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pasadena, CA Since last post: 202 days Last activity: 38 days |
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| Yeah, I suppose that you're all right. I mean, yes, this is the SMW hacking forum, even if most people are addressing previously covered concerns. I guess that the real death of inventive SMW assembly hacks came with the crash of the board; I guess that most of us became disheartened at the (then assumed) reality of losing all that knowledge. So, stupid idea, you're right. Someone, please close this if you get the chance. |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47 Posts: 300/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Many of us still intensively hack SMW ASMly. (can you say that?  ) Acmlm's just currently isn't the right place to post about it, because, as I mentioned above, the professionality/knowledge level fell down extremely with the board crash. If you post about an ASM hack, the thread will most probably slide a page down unreplied before someone who understands what you're talking about even appears at the board. And the front page, again, will be flooded with threads I described above.*blackhole89 has an idea. I request: creating a sticky thread for noobie questions about SMW hacking, restriction for posting them anywhere else and immediate permanent IP ban on violation. And don't even come with "that's not adequate". Because it is, dammit. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 563/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by blackhole89What is romhacking for you? "The use of hard tools so you will have to use hex editors and even more tools to edit one single game"? It's more like, "the editing of a ROM". Originally posted by blackhole89Seriouusly blachole89, grow up. You are taking him too serious. Hell he doesn't even come here anymore and there were worse lamers. |
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Escherial Shyguy Level: 17 Posts: 44/90 EXP: 20866 For next: 3877 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pasadena, CA Since last post: 202 days Last activity: 38 days |
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| The trouble with using Lunar Magic above actual hex editing is not that it makes it easy to make hacks, it's that it makes it easy for everyone to do exactly the same thing over and over and over again. I mean, it's nice to see a good Lunar Magic-made hack, but the hacks we're seeing always address the same things: custom graphics (usually from SMAS or YI or some other SNES game), tame level design, and possibly one or two custom blocks (if any -- it's always the same blocks, too, like the hurt block or SMB3 "unbreakable by small mario", but I digress). I think that, if everyone had to use a hex editor, less hacks would be seen, but more of the hacks that were created would use some ingenious assembly hacking as opposed to always being the same things that LM can do. Naturally, a hex editor isn't necessary for doing interesting assembly hacks. There are plenty of really cool custom blocks that no one's touched as well as the possibility of writing new custom blocks extremely easily with a formalized front-end for doing just that. Of course, if people just had an interest in learning assembly or at least not yearning for some bizarre bygone era when SMB3 was king, we'd have a more diverse community, which was largely the reason for me posting this petition. I don't mean to start and hostilities, just thought it'd be nice for the community to be *moving forward* as opposed to stagnating. |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47 Posts: 301/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by knuckOriginally posted by blackhole89What is romhacking for you? "The use of hard tools so you will have to use hex editors and even more tools to edit one single game"? It's more like, "the editing of a ROM". There is a certain difference between editing and hacking. Hacking is going beyond the limits set by available conventional tools. If you use Word to edit an RTF file you don't call that hacking, too. But you could call it so if you, for instance, want to remove a nasty VB macro pwd protection from a word document and open it up in a hex editor in order to thrash the macros. And if you use a l33t virus one-click toolkit you can't say you're a virus coder. Same goes for LM. If you use a widely known programme to drag'n'drop some ledges you can't call that hacking either. Originally posted by knuckOriginally posted by blackhole89Seriouusly blachole89, grow up. You are taking him too serious. Hell he doesn't even come here anymore and there were worse lamers. Think about yourself first. I think a big enough part of the community will agree with me that, among all non-newbie board members, you are the far most childish one. It even goes so far that you can't recognize a non-serious sidenote as what it is. @Escherial, "less" isn't automatically "worse", because it's mostly the hacks which no-one likes anyway that wouldn't be ever created without LM. I think Fu did a great job making LM, but it has become kind of too good. If he made it a little bit more complicated (for instance if you had to enter the object/sprite command in order to add one) to use, it would only scare the ones away who want to play legos with an SMW ROM and release their results. Crap, I sound more and more radical |
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BMF98567 BLACK HAS BUILT A SILLY DICE-MAZE! GO! Current list of BURNING FURY >8( recipients: - Yiffy Kitten (x2) - Xkeeper Level: 53  Posts: 290/1261 EXP: 1094149 For next: 62970 Since: 03-15-04 From: Blobaria Special Move: Rising Meatloaf Backhand Combo Since last post: 21 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Y'know, we could always start a new sticky thread for advanced discussion: ASM hacks, code disassembly, etc. We don't necessarily need a "sub-forum." Of course, being a single thread, it might get pretty cluttered... |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 300/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| If this board were more active, maybe. But it isn't active, newbie threads aren't cluttering it up, and so a board split is both unnecessary and undesirable. | |||
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Squash Monster New Age Retro Hippie Togateiru Fohku Kohgeki!! GRUNGE no HAMSTER otona bite Peace love and turnpike! Level: 40 Posts: 217/677 EXP: 430507 For next: 10802 Since: 03-15-04 From: Maryland (of the Country Between Canada and Mexico) Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I used to go to a forum for Game Maker that was split like that. The "begginers" area was full of people who didn't understand why their games didn't work when they'd just imported a bunch of graphics and designed levels without doing any coding. The "advanced" area was a mix of some really cool stuff and beginners who graduated from having no clue to having no clue how to operate an if statement. I don't think it would be as bad, but if this was done, someone would have to seriously consider what's advanced and what's beginner. Where do we put hack releases? Graphics sets? Really creative tricks possible with the vanilla SMW ROM? I think a better idea would be for someone to go make an Acmlmboard hack that allows subforums, then beg Ace to install it and split the forum thoroughly. ...and those of you who like helping newbies, a forum split wouldn't stop you, you know. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 564/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by blackhole89So you are saying that ANY editor makes the romhacking stupid, easy and for noobs? Wow you are such an elitist. Originally posted by blackhole89This isn't a community. This is a message board kthx. Oh, and the problem isn't that i don't get a joke. The problem is that your sarcasm sucks. Also don't come tell me that I don't get jokes. *cough*SMW MMORPG*cough* |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47 Posts: 302/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by knuck No, I'm not. (saying that...) I see no problems about an editor, what I am saying is just that editing is not hacking, and if you want to call what you made a hack you'd better have hacked something about it first. That is, being a romhacker means getting your hands dirty in times. Originally posted by knuck Where's the difference? When you mind we have an IRC channel too... Originally posted by knuck Wtf, you're really evil  and besides to that, it wasn't explicitely marked as a joke (aka posted in "Craziness Domain"), and it sounded (and still sounds, btw) possible to me.Blacky's revenge will come in time... |
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