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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 243/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27  Posts: 8/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Ok.. Look at Arwon's list and think. Two people are being joined together, allowing them to get many important legal rights. How can you be so heartless and think only of how it "destroys the concept of marriage???" Legion, are you human? |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 94/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by Kiwibonga Originally said by Winston Churchill |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 8/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Legion What makes homosexuality any different then? The Bible is the word of God and thus, God would not change his mind to reflectg modern times. Homosexuality is first condemned in the OT, so why didn't that rule become obsolete? Jesus himself NEVER condemned homosexuality. To me, God, if there is such a thing, loves EVERYONE, not based on miniscual sexual preferences. If your God can condemn someone for being attracted to someone, then your God isn't perfect after all  (edited by DahrkDaiz on 03-18-04 06:05 PM) |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27 Posts: 9/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 41/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Someone should tell the commissioners of Rhea County, Tennessee this. They've just put in a request to Tennessee's legislature to amend state law... to bar gays from their county. | |||
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 87/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally said by Winston Churchill Bah! Here's a quote for mr. Churchill: Originally said by George Bernard Shaw Screw conservatism! Radical ideas are what brings the world further. Gay marriage may be viewed as bad by some now, but it will, just as all other radical ideas in the past, become an ordinary, non-controversiall thing in a matter of time. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 250/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I'm actually not surprised that the home of the Scopes trial would also want to ban gays... | |||
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 96/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by The SomerZ You're right! In light of this revelation, I propose that we abolish all forms of government and replace the institution of marriage with organized rape! In case you don't get it by now, it's sarcasm. I mean to demonstrate that saying to hell with conservatives also means to hell with government. If you want something like that, I have a nice little list of words that describe you quite well, including things like "insane", "impractical", and possibly even "uncompassionate". All extremes are dangerous, which is why the Democracy and the Republic share the middle of the political spectrum. To say "To hell with conservatives" is to say "To hell with other viewpoints". Remember that little thing called "majority rules... with minority rights"? I disagree with the conservatives on many points, but they are an important part of the government as they check the liberal's power. Just as the liberal's presence prevents the conservatives from doing anything ridiculously stupid, so do the conservatives check our presence. Rereading your post makes me wonder if you interpreted the quote correctly. Winston is by no means saying that conservatives are smarter, he's simply mocking the way many a person is born liberal and becomes conservative with time. (edited by witeasprinwow on 03-18-04 07:07 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 03-18-04 07:08 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 03-18-04 07:20 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 03-18-04 09:29 PM) |
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Ruby Weapon 7 Shyguy Level: 17  Posts: 17/96 EXP: 22968 For next: 1775 Since: 03-16-04 From: Hell Since last post: 28 days Last activity: 22 days |
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| I am not against gay marriages but does anyone think that Americans or any other countries are gonna except gay marriages. Some people think it is a sin to marry someone within the same sex. Some people talk about how the Bible is against gay marriages and that kind of pisses a lot of people off. I think it would be hard because gay people can't bear children and the only way they can get children is by adoption. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 254/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I believe that in time, gay marriages will be just be socially accepted. It took a while for it to happen, but for the most part, interracial marriages are accepted now. I think that gay marriage will be the same way. | |||
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Chickenlump Level: 41  Posts: 33/722 EXP: 474192 For next: 5953 Since: 03-15-04 From: Columbia City Indiana Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by Ruby Weapon 7 Everyone keeps throwing "Can't bear children" into the mix. The last thing I think about when I hear the word Marriage, is children. Adoption is great anyways. Whats wrong with homeless children getting a home? (edited by Chickenlump on 03-18-04 08:13 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 185/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by DahrkDaizOriginally posted by Legion You sure seem to think you know what you're talking about but you really don't. Jesus condemned ANY sin. And the Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin. No two ways about it. No misinterpretations. It's all clear cut. And I highly doubt you're talking about my God because you're wrong about him too. "To me, God, if there is such a thing, loves EVERYONE, not based on miniscual sexual preferences." He does. You don't seem to understand that. God loves us, but hates sin. He doesn't hate sinners themselves which is why he send Jesus Christ down to Earth to save us from it. "If your God can condemn someone for being attracted to someone, then your God isn't perfect after all "Romans 3:23 tells us: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Keep in mind that no one sin is greater than another. Stealing isn't any better or worse than murder. Now I could explain why people are attracted to members of the same sex, but for the sake of this thread I wont because I promise you that you wont like the answer and it will just erupt into a huge flamewar. That, and it would be going even further off topic then I already am now. I apologize for really going off topic here but I had to set this small record straight. If anyone else wants to discuss this with me or ask me any questions about it, then send me a pm because this thread is getting derailed very quickly. (And I take some responsibility for that.) As for the rest of the thread, like I said before, the reason it seems as if I'm "preaching" is because I'm merely just getting out my views on the subject. It's not some big agenda I have to change everyone's minds. It's merely for the sake of discussion. I understand that not everyone holds the same views as me and I don't expect them to. Nor am I trying to force them upon anyone. If I came off as trying to, then I apologize. If you don't follow the same religious beliefs as I do, then I don't expect you to and I wont hold you to the same principals.Ok, back on topic now... |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27 Posts: 11/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Well there is still the unanswered question: Why not marriage? Why a civil union? Why should same sex couples be treated differently? Don't you think discriminating against homosexual marriage is discriminating against homosexuals themselves? Sure they have opted for a different life than what is biologically logical -- but as different as it may be, it's still pretty much the same as any normal life, except there are two husbands or two wives... Do you understand that the only reason for a civil union instead of the word marriage would be to shut religious people up? |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45 Posts: 10/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Amen to that Kiwibonga. It's said before and I'll say it again: Equal rights, not special rights | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 206/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by DahrkDaiz Exactly. I have the right to defend something sacred to my religion. And at the same time, offer up a compromise. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 262/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Kiwibonga To me, civil union is a synonym for marriage. And yes, it is to shut religious people up. There is a seperation between church and state, and freedom of religion, so they can decide the laws of their marriage within their religion as much as they like. Granted, I think over time, even Christians will become accepting of gay marriage, but that is beside the point. Right now, they aren't. And they are bringing their religion into an issue that TECHNICALLY doesn't involve religion. By they, of course I mean those people who are protesting gay marriage based on religion. So, we use the term civil union to make sure they know we are not trying to have gays be married in their church. Or something like that. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 207/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| "Granted, I think over time, even Christians will become accepting of gay marriage, but that is beside the point." If our views haven't changed in the past 2000 years, what makes you think they're going to change now? Trust me, it's not going to happen. If it did, it would unravel the religion itself. And what do you mean technically has nothing to do with religion? It was BORN of religion!  |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 49/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| yeah, well, the Internet was created as a communication medium for the military. HTML was originally meant mainly as a common format for the interchange of technical documents, or something to that effect. they're not used (exclusively) for that purpose anymore. while marriage was created for religious purposes, nowadays, as I've said, there are two "versions" of marriage, if you will: religious marriage, and legal marriage. usually the two go hand-in-hand, but are nonetheless two separate things. the idea you and I agree upon simply gives "legal marriage" a separate term (civil union) to differentiate it from "religious marriage". the creation of "civil union" doesn't take a subset of religious marriage and separate it into a separate entity: it's already separate. it just gives it a different name to make this separation clearer. and, again, I'm not arguing for the institution of religious marriage to recognize same-sex marriages, only for the institution of legal marriage (civil union) to do so. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 270/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Legion Christians have changed their views over time. I gave an example with interracial marriages. Now, the Catholic church is certainly far behind many other Christian religions, and probably they have changed the least... but for the most part, Christianity has changed, ever so slightly, over time. But there's another thing you must realize: Christianity, believe it or not, is dying. I actually think in 200 years, Christianity could be very unpopular. Because Christianity is dying, society is becoming less and less influenced by it, and so society is becoming more open to things. Look at history. Wouldn't you agree that the church's influence has diminished over the years? And yes, the reason may have been religion for starting it, but what they're trying to take away is a state-related right, not a religion-related right. |
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