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gnkkwinrrul Dry Bones Level: 39  Posts: 41/647 EXP: 402054 For next: 2717 Since: 03-15-04 From: LYKEOMGIMFROMSOMEPLACE???? Since last post: 81 days Last activity: 40 days |
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| People in america should be able to be wed in any way that they like, because how can they say that america is a free nation if they don't allow people to be wed in any way they like? | |||
Valentine Revolution Leever Level: 24  Posts: 49/199 EXP: 68616 For next: 9509 Since: 03-15-04 From: UK Since last post: 103 days Last activity: 59 days |
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| There's no difference between my relationship with Kasumi, and Boy A's relationship with Girl B. In fact, I'd say our relationship is stronger than a lot of straight ones, we've been through things that long-married couples would get divorced over. The religious arguement is vaild in so far that churches maybe shouldn't allow gay marriage, but I'm not Christian, and Christian values shouldn't have any meaning in a non-Christian ceremony. In fact, I'd say my love for her is the closest thing to religion I will ever find. I admit that I maybe don't like Christianity much, but having your own mother tell you you're evil, unnatural and abnormal will do that to you. The whole 'Marriage' vs 'Civil Union' thing is just semantics. They're the same thing, but if I was allowed a 'civil union' I wouldn't argue. Although, I don't think getting down on one knee and saying 'Will you civil union with me?' is quite as romantic. |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 13/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| Legion: I totally and completely agree..... the world isn't really any worse than it was 10 years ago... or 30... everything that we are starting to see come out has been happening the whole time, we just didn't always know about it.... or didn't want to... Arwon: it does say that.... and if that's true.... then explain the devil.... if God created everything.... then why did he create what most people believe is the most evil thing ever? |
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frantik Paragoomba Level: 15 Posts: 9/66 EXP: 13104 For next: 3280 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 400 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Luckily, Bush's ammendment will never pass and "activist judges" will never be able to get past this line in the US constitution: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" source thats why bush is pushing for an ammendment, because the current laws say that you have to let gays get married. the moral or religious reasons have nothing to do with it. for example, two atheists can get married, and you can even get married in jail! surely a murderer is worse than a homosexual in a couple of years, people will look at gay marriage like we look at interracial marriage. if it bothers you, start getting over it now hehe cause it's gonna happen eventually. (edited by frantik on 03-17-04 12:13 PM) (edited by frantik on 03-17-04 12:14 PM) |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 20/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| yes, this is true.... but where will it stop???? who's to say (if gay marriage goes forward) that I can't go get married to 2 of my friends? we are in love.... and we want to get married to each other so that we aren't cheating on each other.... isn't that fair? shouldn't I be allowed to marry 2 friends.... and if gay marriage goes forward.... what's to stop people from having multiple spouses in other forms.... I mean, if a man can marry a man, I want to marry 2 women.... |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 178/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I can't believe some people think this is still an issue. This won't make it through Congress. Anyway, freedom of choice, freedom of religion, all these things are why gay marriage should be allowed. Frankly, although I don't agree with polygamy, I think it should be allowed, but since it's banned, I can't make an issue out of it. I'm sure we all know the first amendment says that we're allowed to make our own choices, so things like this are protected by the 1st amendment. | |||
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 21/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| freedom of choice? that's not actually something people have.... I can't do anything I want to.... if we are fighting for freedom of choice, then why do we have laws.... these things restrict my freedom.... oh, but there are some things people shouldn't be allowed to do.... based on what? common values? quite possibly.... but when have we ever agreed on what is good for the country.... I personally hope it's outlawed, eventhough I know it won't be.... it's things like this that are ruining the USA.... it's slowing falling apart from the inside.... soon people will be demanding their right to do things that are even worse than this.... "I want to rape and kill small children" "well, you can't do that" "you're infringing on my right to do something I love to do.... you bastard" [sigh] |
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The Gift of Gabe Red Paragoomba Level: 13  Posts: 45/51 EXP: 8892 For next: 1375 Since: 03-16-04 From: Albuquerque, NM, USA Since last post: 260 days Last activity: 256 days |
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| Jeez, are you guys the same folks who revere the greek contributions to western society?! All that great philosophy and mathematics which led to THIS THREAD on THIS SERVER in THIS NETWORK OF COMPUTERS in THESE FREE COUNTRIES was more or less the direct result of a gradual evolution of society. Like it or not, human beings, just like most mammals, have been engaging in homosexual behavior since before we were homo sapiens . Edit: sorry, I forgot two words in my previous post... JUDGE NOT I think that ought to close the debate, while I know that it won't. Geogree, I take it you're a christian, so what's up with this? "Arwon: it does say that.... and if that's true.... then explain the devil" ? It does say that vs. prove that's true ?!!! I think I speak for all of us, including those of you who are THOUGHTFUL christians, when I say that you can't selectively look at the bible. And if you HAVE to prioritize among its many contradictions, its best to put J.C. on the top of the list. Don't you think the man would have healed gay lepers? Why do you care what anyone else is doing? Mr. Christ's message CLEARLY STATES that you don't need to worry about regulating someone else's faith. If you believe, you believe, and you DON'T NEED TO WORRY about everyone else. If your example of faith is TRULY PURE, than others will learn from it... right? I am not religious, and I am not gay. As long as direct physical harm does not result from somebody's actions, those actions DON'T MATTER to me. Period. (edited by The Gift of Gabe on 03-17-04 01:36 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 109/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon How the hell is homosexuality "Against the laws of nature" when it's been found all over the animal kingdom? There's Gay goose couples and lifelong same sex penguin partnerships and all sorts of boy-on-boy buttsex! And as for Christianity finding it an abommination... doesn't the bible say in the Book of Numbers "Nothing I have created is unclean"? Romans 1:24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. 1:25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. 1:26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 1:27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. I think that MORE than answers that last part. God created us in his image, perfect. But then the forbidden fruit was eaten and we learned the difference between good and evil. Thus, we're born sinners. And the bible clearly says homosexuality is a sin. Anyway, yeah animals perform acts of homosexuality so it would be easy to say it's natural. But wait a minute....some animals also eat their own babies. Does that mean we should pass that law too? (edited by Legion on 03-17-04 01:37 PM) (edited by Legion on 03-17-04 01:42 PM) |
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The Gift of Gabe Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 46/51 EXP: 8892 For next: 1375 Since: 03-16-04 From: Albuquerque, NM, USA Since last post: 260 days Last activity: 256 days |
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| I don't see how that answers "here is my creation, perfect and holy in all forms" Sometimes animals HAVE to eat their babies. Sometimes they're just crazy. It's not right, but it happens. People kill people too. In your eyes, they go to hell, and in (hopefully) everyone's eyes, they fucked up bad. But shit happens! It will continue to happen. Oh, and as for things getting continuously worse, I can point to the black plague as a MUCH worse time for our species. And to the eighties. Don't you think we're on the path to recovery? I'll tell you what's fucked up: the phrase "collateral damage". That means "kids and other civilians dead from our bombing campaigns." this is the kind of stuff that the media likes to ignore while they cover insignificant quibbling over the definition of an institution that shouldn't be regulated by the government anyway. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 110/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by The Gift of Gabe I don't see how that answers "here is my creation, perfect and holy in all forms" If you knew anything about my religion you would know that it clearly emphasizes that humankind is NOT perfect. Far from it. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. "People kill people too. In your eyes, they go to hell, and in (hopefully) everyone's eyes, they fucked up bad." Sin is sin. Homosexuality is the same as murder in God's eyes. But then again, so is adultery, lying, stealing, etc. No one sin is greater than another. "over the definition of an institution that shouldn't be regulated by the government anyway." I know. (edited by Legion on 03-17-04 01:49 PM) |
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The Gift of Gabe Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 47/51 EXP: 8892 For next: 1375 Since: 03-16-04 From: Albuquerque, NM, USA Since last post: 260 days Last activity: 256 days |
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 well said. I think I fucked up my point. So I can understand that you're opposed to the actual (intimate) union of same-sex couples, but would you concede that under the *law* (secular, not religious) they should be allowed *civil unions* in this country, even if not in your particular denomination or within christianity in general? |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 112/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by The Gift of Gabe well said. I think I fucked up my point. So I can understand that you're opposed to the actual (intimate) union of same-sex couples, but would you concede that under the *law* (secular, not religious) they should be allowed *civil unions* in this country, even if not in your particular denomination or within christianity in general? I already said yes.  |
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Xeolord - B l u e s - Power Metal > All Level: 81  Posts: 242/3418 EXP: 4884196 For next: 108653 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yeah Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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| Me being a Christian / Catholic myself I think Legion has done a pretty good job stating my opinion also. I believe it is morally wrong. Marriage itself is already in shambles with our extreme divorce rate shooting up, now we're going to allow "gay" marraige? That's not helping anything, but making this worse. | |||
witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 83/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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| All I have to say: The constution guarantees the same rights to everybody. You cannot legally discriminate going by what features a person is attracted to. It's like saying that, since person X likes people with physical attribute Z, he can't marry person Y, because that person has attribute Z. Fill in X, Y, and Z, with two names and any attribute that a person could have and you have discrimination. However, it doesn't matter what the right is, it matters that everybody gets the same basic rights. They don't necessarily have to have a "marriage", per se. A "civil union" for both straight and gay people would be perfectly fair. Then the gays get legal recognition and the religious men and women still have thier sanctity. I don't exactly like the idea of legalised man-on-man buttsex, but I still feel the need to end discrimination against the people. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 188/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| OK, by "marry" I meant join in a civil union. Which is what they're fighting for/against right now. I don't give a shit if the Church wants to marry gays or not. That's their choice. It's their religion. | |||
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Valentine Revolution Leever Level: 24 Posts: 50/199 EXP: 68616 For next: 9509 Since: 03-15-04 From: UK Since last post: 103 days Last activity: 59 days |
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| How exactly is gay marriage making anything worse? Is my love for my Lady somehow less than your love for yours? Does the marriage between two strangers effect how you carry out your relationship? | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 117/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Lucrecia Barton How exactly is gay marriage making anything worse? Is my love for my Lady somehow less than your love for yours? Does the marriage between two strangers effect how you carry out your relationship? In a biblical sense, it's wrong. In a non-biblical sense, it isn't. |
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Valentine Revolution Leever Level: 24 Posts: 51/199 EXP: 68616 For next: 9509 Since: 03-15-04 From: UK Since last post: 103 days Last activity: 59 days |
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But what about those of us who don't follow the bible? I don't think its right that conditions should be placed on me by a religion that I don't believe in. *shrugs* Love is love right?  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 119/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Lucrecia Barton But what about those of us who don't follow the bible? I don't think its right that conditions should be placed on me by a religion that I don't believe in. *shrugs* Love is love right? Well that's why this is such a debated issue. Some people choose to follow the bible and some people don't. But in America, marriage is torn between both church and state. Seeings how church and state are seperated with state coming first yet church being... Ack, I don't know how to put this. It all loops together. Church should have the final say in marriage seeings it's their creation but at the same time, government needs to have a say in it for the legal purposes that it accompanys. |
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