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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 16/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The summer school thread reminded me of something. My father once spoke to me about dying trades. He is into carpentry and tiling, he does custom jobs for people, and considers his trade to be a dying one. He says that the work will eventually be subsidized as landscaping has been, with "puerto ricans doing all the work and the work becoming lower quality" as he puts it. I do not agree with his views, he consistently says things like that, that eventually "cheap labor" (which oddly enough in his case involves the use of minorities to do the dirty work, sounds quite familiar to me) will take over every profession. I do agree that mankind is getting lazy, but it's the same as it has been since the early 1800s. White america has always tried to get someone else to do their work, hence slavery, hence anti-union legislation in the late 1800s and early 1900s, hence the invention of machinery to do the work that, by hand, once supported thousands of families. Nowadays, we see people voluntarily doing the same thing. Everyone wants to be a doctor, or a teacher, or an engineer, or something else that requires a college education (myself included), but the thing is once the job markets become saturated, one single question remains. Who, out of all of these doctors, teachers, lawyers, programmers, and engineers, is going to do the grunt work? We're witnessing a reversal of roles here, as while everyone wants a cushy desk job, the overall quality of the profession decreases. On the other hand, trades like my father's, because nobody wants to get up at 5:AM to drive 60 miles to make people's floors, are flourishing because the artists are becoming rarer and harder to find (if you want a good job, anyway). Eventually, because of this, will we live in a society that considers "poor man's" jobs to be those that involve the donning of khaki suits, meetings, coffee breaks, and the general business world? Will Wall Street become so crowded that nobody can walk the tarmac paths of profit? The small businessman could make a comeback, and eventually we'll see my father's baleful definition of "cheap labor" in the offices, while those who want only money will revert back to the manual labor jobs. It seems as though society will travel in a circular pattern forever, until eventually everything is mechanized and people will be able to sit on their arses all day and watch TV while machines do their work for them. If that happens, I know I'll probably end up in exile, a shack in the middle of Montana, while everyone else around me sits pretty living a soft life. I can't stand not working. What would you do? |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 1567/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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First off, the Puerto Ricans will only do half the work and being half Puerto Rican myself, I'll only be doing 1/4 of the work. Yep, and you thought other "groups" were lazy.  Anyway, I'm into those office jobs. I guess I'm not used to it. I'm actually enjoying cooking and hopefully I can move on to better work. Of course, I hate to cook at home, but that's another story. Of course, I would love to own my own gaming store, if possible, but we're neve sure of what's to come later on.*shurgs* Oh, and all the gas stations down here are all self service anyway... *points to title* (edited by Anya on 06-22-04 02:11 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 798/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I'm Canadian. We do work, eh. Based on how I feel next year, I might apply to trade school, because a sad truth is that stone masonry, and other trades are dying. Soon, those foolish programmers will be looking at lower pay, because we won't have efficient enough robots to do stone masonry for years. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 18/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by EvillerLegion Hey, I wanna be a programmer. The thing about saturated trades is that they still work, if you're a cut above the rest. It's no good being sub-par in any profession, nevermind an easy or hard to find one. Still, lucky for me my dad says if I'm ever in a tight spot he'll let me come work for him. Always have something to fall back on, right? |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 808/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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I'm majoring in Computer Science and all my jobs are leaving this country...but alas, i do have alternatives as teachers can never be outsourced so I'm currently banking on that as my fall back job. If not, maybe my japanese speaking ability might take me somewhere  As for self serve gas stations...the last gas station I saw with full service was right outside the western boundary of yosemite. I wonder if that place is still there--I haven't been to Yosemite since 1998... |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 20/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The gas pumping thing was rhetorical, obviously most stations are self serve now. Though come to think of it, there's a shell station in my town that still has full serve gas. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 2182/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| There's still quite a few full-serve stations in Montreal - and on the 401, you'll find plenty of them at the service stations. It's definitely not a dying breed... just a slightly more expensive one.  |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 1271/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I have actually thought about this once, and I seriously doubt it will happen anytime soon. In my school, for instance, not everyone wants to be a lawyer, doctor, or the like. A good portion of my classmates are going to go work right after high school, and work for the town, or some other blue collar job. Others are simply forced into the lowest paying jobs, such as gas pumping, just by default (dropping out, etc). If this does ever happen (which I doubt it will), it will be a LONG way off, as the hierarchy of job training ratios remain reletively stable. |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 473/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| I want to be a musician. Be hnest, you KNOW we get the scrap of the bucket when it comes to payment ...but really. I mean, if it's somthing you love, then who cares? That's what I say.. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 26/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by MajinBlueDragon Oddly enough my band teacher once told me that, and that that was why he became a band teacher instead of just living off his gigs. But I agree, that's why I'm facing a job market that's already becoming saturated, I don't care if I don't make money, it's what I want to do. |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 315/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Neo: Actually, my teachers tell me that jobs are starting to come back to this country because people are realizing how stupid it can be to outsource these things. In any event, I don't know if you'll ever see a true reversal of roles per se, though it's true that the Air Conditioning Repair industry is going to suffer from a severe shortage of qualified workers. Basically because few people realize how much money you can make in the field. |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 948/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| This reminds me of something maddox wrote... Ah, here we go. |
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Jill In love with a dream.. Level: 36  Posts: 250/528 EXP: 296548 For next: 11562 Since: 03-15-04 From: Teh Sweden Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 14 hours |
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| What..? You guys have people that pump gas for you? :O | |||
Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 774/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I am still unsure about what I am going to be, but people who think that immigrants are taking the work away then it is your fault. | |||
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 40/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Kyouji "Kagami" Craw I wanna tell my dad about that page, I read Maddox constantly. I'm just afraid of what he'd say about it. |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47  Posts: 104/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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Most of the ones in Milwaukee have dissapeared. But as Colleen was saying there are some still out there. Some maybe have moved to more places who use full service more. |
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SiliconHero Octorok Level: 8  Posts: 11/20 EXP: 1996 For next: 191 Since: 06-22-04 From: Pennsylvania, USA Since last post: 483 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Since I don't live in New Jersey, I know for sure who'll be pumping MY gas...ME. Pennsylvania doesn't have that many full-serve pumps...at least in the area where I live. | |||
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 324/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Another aspect to consider is that, for the most part, the "cushy" jobs carry cushy wages with them. You make a lot more money as a compuer specialist than as, say, a convenience store clerk. That would have to change in order to have a role reversal. | |||
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Zem You can be civil without being flowery, dipshits. Level: 49 Posts: 18/1107 EXP: 829398 For next: 54485 Since: 06-13-04 Since last post: 131 days Last activity: 131 days |
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| Fuck, i'll pump your gas. actually i was planning on being a janitor because not enough people in my family have any sort of touch with manual labor. those kinds of people piss me off. | |||
RavenX Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 19/57 EXP: 9533 For next: 734 Since: 06-29-04 From: Rhode Island Since last post: 486 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I'm currently unemployed, but over the past 6 months ive accumulated 300 hours of volenteer services. If more people volenteered for the "grunt" jobs such as putting the books away at the library, or like me, teaching small children to defend themselves, we can all make the world a better place. And as for the original post, not many people want to be teachers nowadays >> since the whole shootings stuff... |
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