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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 249/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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Originally posted by Legion One might also argue that if a person believed in God simply because they feared retribution, that would not be a worthy reason to mold one's beliefs into something they don't actually agree with. I think if God *actually* existed, and he WAS all-loving as he supposedly is, he would not damn people for having their own beliefs, as long as they do not hurt others. The overall message of Christianity is 'don't be a jerk; help people and be nice and forgive others'. If people take the Bible word for word problems arise, on both ends of the scale. You get extremist atheists and extremist believers. And you get the poor people stuck in the middle who don't know what to believe, and they are apparently damned if they do (because they do not truely *believe*) and damned if they don't (because you're not allowed to have your own opinion {note this is an example of the extremist point of view}). |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 996/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by FyxeOriginally posted by Legion They have a word for that. It's called attrition. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 1086/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 548/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| All you have to do to go heaven is believe Jesus was your savior. Nothing else! Somewhere someone said that God will let no one go to hell because he loves everone. I don't really care what happens to anyone besides people I know so if ou wan't to not believe that is your choice, but if you are wrong I will be sorry for you. You can base any reliogous thing like this Poor: Sometimes goes to church or whatever and believe without a doubt that his/her religoin is right. Good: Goes to church read bible, and cannot be moved with belief. Super: Loves to help the chruch and dedicates life to the survival of the religion. Nazi: Extremist thinking all other are wrong and tries to convert every single person. That is how I put it. I am poor to good since I have read the bible and I cannot be moved from my belief, but I have the whole thing of not going to church often. |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 331/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by Legion actually, he did change the water into wine (or so it is written), however for a different meaning. This was because it was at the wedding, and without the wine the celebration would end. Jesus did not want the celebration to end, as it was a wedding and one of the most sacred sacraments, and turned the water into wine to keep the party going on, as a symbol of the eternity of marriage. .....eh. i guess going to a christian school, you pick up a few things once and a while  please dont think I'm some hardcore bible reader or nothing. It was just one of the few things I actualy remember |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 697/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| "I think if God *actually* existed, and he WAS all-loving as he supposedly is, he would not damn people for having their own beliefs, as long as they do not hurt others." That is a concept created by the Council of Nicea. And it takes unto the ideas of Saint Augistine on the seperation of soul and mind. The energies of the Spiritual Universe and the concept of free-will. You have to look at all factors. Read up on it. One has to take into account information of the Gallileans, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Acorphyra. And the censored passages. Those that Constantine fiddled around with. Another fact most people don't seem to realize. The Bible wasn't written in English. It was written in this language called Greek. With small passages in Later Phonecian and Hebrew. When it was translated, the differing writing styles of the authors was not taken into account by the translators of King James. Thus, the Bible's meanings could've been changed by the translations into English, Latin and other languages. |
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mrmenz Slime Level: 30 Posts: 78/347 EXP: 157982 For next: 7887 Since: 03-15-04 From: USA/PA Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 39 days |
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Originally posted by The SomerZ I think thats true in a way American schools should take some time out of the pointless information they give us and and dedicate some of it to learning something about more of the major religons of the world I would find that interesting, but of course I dont know about making it mandatory considering that would cause alot of people to be upset. it should just be available at a younger age. I remember a quote from George Carlin "Theres a man who lives in the sky and he has 10 things your not supposed to do and if you do these things he sends you to en evil place with fire and eternal suffering...but he loves you." |
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Alastor the Stylish Hey! I made a cool game! It's called "I poisoned half the food, so if you eat you might die!" Have a taco.  Level: 114  Posts: 803/7620 EXP: 16258468 For next: 51099 Since: 03-15-04 From: Oregon, US Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Legion And another thing. The whole point about the new testamant is that Jesus is setting down new rules, right? You can pretty much ignore everything in the old testament and get the right message. At least, that's my interpretation. And it certainly explains why the pharasies (I know that's spelled wrong, don't bring it up) don't periodically go around slaughtering those seen working on sundays. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 702/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Your interpretation is somewhat correct. The Kosherian Laws and the second set of Commandments can be ignored by Christians. I'm pretty sure that the Jews have to account for these two things. Jesus idea was to spread a new message built on the fundamental ideals of Judaism, modified by the Red Sea Scrolls, to the Gentiles and various other non-Jewish monotheists. It also had implications with the abolishment of corruption in the Jewish high Clergy. But as we know, that corruption got carried over by Saul and the Constintinians. | |||
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 161/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| personally, I found the article to be quite interesting, and also read the columns at The Happy Heretic (linked to from somewhere); interesting stuff. I personally am atheist and consider myself existentialist; my belief system basically such things are not why I'm not religious, though; it's simply not for me, and incompatible with my view of the world. my opinion as to the existence of God, though, is this: I believe God (whichever one is applicable) does exist, but only in the hearts of those who believe in him/her/it, and only for those who believe in him/her/it. that very belief is what makes God a true thing for that person. in other words: God, and the belief in God, are one and the same. this means that God, and religion, are inherently personal things, they are ways to look at the world and come to terms with what happens on it; which means that "organized religion", to me, is somewhat of a contradiction in terms. that's my opinion, anyway. I sincerely respect the right of people to believe whatever they want to believe... on the condition that they return that same respect. I regard christians (and religious believers in general) as archaic and unenlightened; I'm sure they feel the same way about me (and non-religious folk in general); and that's fine. don't impose your belief system on anyone else, bear responsibility for your own actions (which will be viewed by others outside the context of your belief system), and respect the rights of others to have different beliefs than you, and there is no problem on that level. </ranting after a couple days of reading editorials on religious topics> (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 06-01-04 08:06 PM) (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 06-01-04 08:08 PM) |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 554/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| I do see what you are getting at or at least listened, but it comes down to the point don't you think it is better to believe in something than nothing. Maybe it is good to look forward to something. If all religions are wrong nothing will happen to them so there is no down side. It just (like all things) boils down to faith. | |||
geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 63/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| [shakes head]... people that use the Old Testament to bash God are stupid.... they take it out of context, and most forget that Christians aren't under that law.... Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses.... so, those rules are done away with.... Jesus gave new rules to live by in the Sermon on the Mount and during his ministry.... are people that dense that they can't figure it out? maybe it's just me, but it seems like these stupid ideas are thought up by people that really dont' know what they are talking about, but read a couple verses and then think they know what it's all about |
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Super Sion You BlockHead! Level: 70 Posts: 662/2472 EXP: 3002513 For next: 13298 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yo Mommas House Since last post: 29 min. Last activity: 5 min. |
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| I would call myself a "Neo-Catholic" I believe in God and the Virgin Mary and Jesus, but I also except other religions and understand thier beliefs. I dont hate the Jews for what they did to Jesus, even though I still feel it was just...WRONG!!!. As long as a person is a decent human being who is aware that there is a God I think thats all that matters. | |||
knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 335/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by SionSo, you believe that the jews killed Jesus? |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34 Posts: 64/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| okay, I have to bring this up (and it bugs me so much) Jesus had to die for our sins right?.... that's the Christian perspective.... so.... then that would mean that someone needed to get Jesus killed... scrificial lamb to fulfill the law of Moses sort of thing.... and since the Jews actually had some reason to do it, then it makes sense that they would, and really we should be happy that they did.... that's just my thought.... it bugs me when people make a big deal out of who did it.... that's really not the point.... the point is he died for our sins, and we should be thankful |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 565/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| It wasn't the jews in general that did it. Only some did. Have you heard of messiacan jew or however you spell that. They believe that jesus is the messia. I think it was just some corrupt few. | |||
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Super Sion You BlockHead! Level: 70 Posts: 678/2472 EXP: 3002513 For next: 13298 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yo Mommas House Since last post: 29 min. Last activity: 5 min. |
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| Yes I do believe the Jews killed Jesus. "Jesus had to die for our sins right?.... that's the Christian perspective.... so.... then that would mean that someone needed to get Jesus killed... scrificial lamb to fulfill the law of Moses sort of thing.... and since the Jews actually had some reason to do it, then it makes sense that they would, and really we should be happy that they did...." Sorry but No. Jesus was able to ascend to Heaven at any time. He by no means had to endure the torture that was given to him by the Jews, the only reason he went through it all was because it was the only way that the human race could be forgiven. When he was out on the cross...one of the last things he said was "Forgive them father....they dont know" Or something along those lines. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 590/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Sion Historical fact: The Romans drove in the nails and raised the cross. How amazering =o |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 337/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by SionDo you think that christianism would have such a impact if Jesus wasn't tortured/killed?  btw, the romans killed Jesus. not the jews.  |
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Super Sion You BlockHead! Level: 70 Posts: 684/2472 EXP: 3002513 For next: 13298 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yo Mommas House Since last post: 29 min. Last activity: 5 min. |
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Are you guys sure about that?....but, Mama said it was the Jews.... Im confused....I always liked the Romans too. This wont change anything though. I hate neither the Jews or Romans.If Jesus wasnt crucified christianism would definatly not have such an impact. I agree. I look at things betyond religion however. Its common decency(sp?=P) If Jesus truly said thought he was the son of God why couldnt they let him believe it? He never harmed anyone! He was a kind and just man and thats final. If someone now in days said they were the reincarnation of Jesus I probably wouldnt believe them...but if they were a kind person I would still like them. Its like I said before...Im not too learned in the "history" but I believe in God and Jesus and I lead a clean life, isnt that most important? |
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