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Are you for guns or against.| Woo guns, lets go shoot up the town! |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 667/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Homes with guns are statistically higher to having gun violence within. I read that somewhere where Micheal Moore wasn't. So, you know, it probably has some truth to it. But I like guns. I find them fascinating. Would I keep one in my house for my own protection? If I were slightly more paranoid yes...I can say that with pride...Yes. I'd love to sleep with a Magnum beside me...That way, anyone fucks around. HOLE THROUGH THEIR CHEST. Although I do like hutning rifles, |
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Stasis Level: 13 Posts: 41/51 EXP: 8901 For next: 1366 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 486 days Last activity: 206 days |
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Originally posted by Yiffy KittenI think you mean magazines. Anyway, what if there just happened to be six punks breaking into your home? Originally posted by Yiffy KittenPlinking. Competition. Plus, if they aren't useful for hunting, why do so many people use them? Originally posted by Yiffy KittenThey'd get preexisting ones. Plus they can quickly reload. Also, I can't stand my five-round AR15 magazines. I run out of ammo way too fast. Just because you don't see a point for certain things doesn't mean tons of people don't find them very useful. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 919/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by EvillerLegion I could have swore that last time you said you were the bow and arrow type. |
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Yoshi Dude XKEEPER STOLE MY CAR KEYS Level: 79  Posts: 553/3271 EXP: 4572680 For next: 6787 Since: 03-15-04 From: give me a number folks. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| there's this guy at my school who thinks he's a shurikan master and he practices flicking playing cards at high speeds so one day he can kill people with them. anyway. I'm pro gun.. owning. There should be restrictions for minors (as others have pointed out, columbine).. personally, guns frighten me, and I don't think I'd ever be able to own one myself. People, robbers aren't the only kinds of criminals in existance.. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 670/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by LegionOriginally posted by EvillerLegion Oh, I am. But if I had the chance...I'd buy all sorts of guns. That and I enjoy cross bows. I find that (from shooting them and shot guns at trees) cross bows are a little more enjoyable. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 748/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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I really can't decide. On one hand, they're good for defense, on the other, people use them for more than that.Originally posted by StasisOriginally posted by Angel |
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| Kansas has a 7 day waiting period and it is so the ycan check if you have a felony. If so you don't get a gun. I really think that if ther is a gun in a house the precentage is going to be higher because if there wasn't a gun in the house how can an accident happen. | |||
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 218/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| It's not only accidents, it's that criminals are just less likely to gun someone down if they do not have a gun. The fact is that the reason most criminals carry guns is for their OWN defense, not to shoot people. Of course, they bring it upon themselves, but still. I severely doubt most criminals actually WANT to kill people. Yes, you couldn't really do much to defend yourself, but what's worse, death, or loosing property that can be retrieved thanks to the wonder of insurance, or... I don't know, police catching the criminal? If there were less gun crimes the police would have more time to return stolen property. ^-^ Yiffy Kitten brings up a good point. The constitution is out of date and was not designed with semi-automatic weapons in mind. And no, we Brits don't want your stupid country anymore. ^-^ So, yeah, it annoys me when people say 'oh, it's in our constitutional rights!!'. That doesn't make it right. |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39  Posts: 121/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by FyxeYou've made this claim earlier in this thread, and so far haven't brought forth a single shred of proof. If it's a "fact", then show the proof. The 2nd Amendment wasn't written because of you Brits, it was written so that Americans had the right to defend themselves from any government, including their own! The Founding Fathers in the US severely distrusted any government, and every single Amendment in the Bill of Rights is there for the purpose of protecting the citizens of the US from the US government, and no other purpose. And btw, who are you to say it's not right for private citizens to own guns? |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 219/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| Jesus Christ, do I need proof for common sense? Look, if you're a criminal, and you want to nick someone's stuff, what are you gonna fear the most? Getting shot by some homeowner. Why the HELL would they want to kill someone? What aid is that gonna do them? Get them on Death Row? They just wanna nick richer people's stuff. Yes, there ARE worse people, psychos and crazies and stuff but they're rare and that's a bit of a different issue. I'm talking about robbers. I'm saying it's not right for citizens to own semi-automatic weapons designed to kill masses of people at once. That was Yiffy Kitten's point which I was reiterating. And the idea of banning guns altogether isn't 'oh my god, that's totally crazy!!'. Look at England, guns are illegal here, we have a very low number of gun-related deaths, and what sort of problems do we have because of that? None. |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 122/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by FyxeRobbers who, if they have reason to believe the homeowner has a gun, aren't very likely to be robbing him/her in the first place, are they? After all, just like you said, the robber doesn't want to get shot... When normal, every day citizens are armed, crime rates have a tendancy to drop. Just look at US statistics, the cities with the strictest gun control have the highest crime rates! Whole ****ing lot of good that gun control does them... Also, look at Switzerland, the country I currently live in. Practically every home has at least a pistol and a rifle, because anyone in the military is required to keep one at home, and most men are in the military (it was mandatory until a few years ago). Crime rates here in Switzerland are near the lowest on the entire continent. In fact, in most of the stats I've checked, Switzerland wasn't even on the list as having any crimes at all! Take a guess about why that is? Again, I'll have to ask, who are you to decide that? Gun-related deaths... BFD. If a family member or friend of mine is murdered, I don't particularly care if a gun was the weapon used to kill them. And also, according to the "United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime", you have a higher total crime rate than the US. Burglaries per capita: UK: 13.91 per 1,000 US: 7.23 per 1,000 Car thefts per capita: UK: 5.63 per 1,000 US: 3.95 per 1,000 I checked a lot of other states, but those the only stats with more than a fractional difference. The rest that I could find were within .2 per 1,000 in either direction (it was rather mixed). Overall crime per capita: UK: 86.04 per 1,000 US: 81.55 per 1,000 Note that those numbers were from the "Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000" (yes, I copy and pasted that title  ). |
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Kwan Doesn't have a valid sized userpic. ||bass will be pissed :(((((((( Level: 50  Posts: 466/1137 EXP: 937111 For next: 10206 Since: 03-15-04 From: Durkadurkastan! Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by NightHawk You all live on hills. You like figures huh? The population of Great Britain (U.K.) is: 59 040 300 The population of United States of America ( USA ) is: 291 639 900 http://www.populationworld.com/ |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 123/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by KwanAll of my stats were "per capita", which means they take account of population differences.Originally posted by NightHawk So, what was your point? |
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Kwan Doesn't have a valid sized userpic. ||bass will be pissed :(((((((( Level: 50 Posts: 467/1137 EXP: 937111 For next: 10206 Since: 03-15-04 From: Durkadurkastan! Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 225/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I just think that in a lot of cases, having a gun for protection could be bloody dangerous. Let's face it, if I had a gun, and I heard a robber in my lounge room, by the time I actually GOT to the robber's location (with my gun) and then SAW the robber, I'd be FREAKING OUT. So I'd be a freaking out person with a gun. o.o That in itself makes the situation potentially volatile, and I'm sure not everybody has nerves of steel when they hear something sneaking about in their house.... As for this: Robbers who, if they have reason to believe the homeowner has a gun, aren't very likely to be robbing him/her in the first place, are they? After all, just like you said, the robber doesn't want to get shot... Just remember, not all robbers have the foresight to "stake out" a location before they begin the robbery..... or even be familiar with it at all. Some robberies are pretty random, where the robber knows nothing of the house or it's occupants, if they are armed, have a dog, etc, etc. A lot of the robberies I've heard of around here haven't been thought through in any way..... they have frequently been drug users, who have robbed a place in desperation. *cough* Anyways, enough about guns, I vote we just arm ourselves with cricket bats. Depending on where you hit your target, you're prolly not gonna kill them with that... just severely bruise and batter them. |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 221/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| Well, on the subject of murders, murders on the whole are much lower in England than in America, and I'm pretty damn sure of that. No, you don't get alot of stories of people bow and arrowing each other to death over here. O.o'' And what Taryn said is right. How the hell is a robber supposed to know if the person they're robbing has a gun under the bed? |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39 Posts: 124/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by ChibiTarynIf you can't handle a gun, don't have one. It's as simple as that. I'm not saying everyone should have a gun, I'm saying that honest, law-abiding citizens should have the right to own a gun. Whether they choose to own one or not is up to them. I never assumed they would've "staked out" the home in question... but it's fairly easy for them to know that, in a country with strict gun laws, it's extremely unlikely that the owner has one. On the other hand, in a country with relaxed gun laws, it's much more likely for the homeowner to have a gun, so it's just one more risk for them to think about before they commit that robbery. I prefer baseball bats for such things... easier to swing in tight places, yet they have much the same impact  And Kwan: are you just trolling, or do you have some kind of point? EDIT: Fyxe replied just as I was typing, so I'll edit my reply to her in here.... Originally posted by FyxeI found a site with stats on that, but it's refusing to come up again at the moment... so that'll have to wait for another time, I suppose  I answered this above, so I'll refer you to that.... (edited by NightHawk on 05-25-04 10:20 AM) |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 222/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| But do you honestly think that the all the people who *aren't* sensible enough to handle a gun reasonably and responsibly are smart enough to *realise* that they aren't? EDIT: Oh, and, you kinda bashed your own point. Due to relaxed gun laws, robbers therefore *assume* that everyone owns a gun, so they take a gun when they rob people. Therefore, there's a much larger chance of someone getting shot, no? If they thought the homeowner didn't have a gun then they wouldn't take one and they wouldn't shoot anyone, right? (edited by Fyxe on 05-25-04 10:18 AM) |
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| [15:13] Shattered Kwan: WTF [15:13] Shattered Kwan: http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=2960&page=3 [15:13] Shattered Kwan: HAHAH [15:13] Shattered Kwan: NIGHT HAWK ACCUSED ME OF TROLLING |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 226/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I didn't say I can't handle a gun (although I have not had the opportunity to shoot more than a BB gun and an air rifle...) ----- I'm saying that the average person, when faced with the idea of somebody in their house, uninvited, will generally be a little freaked out. NOTHING to do with being able to handle a gun or not. I'm sure armed with a cricket bat or a golf club or a baseball bat, people would still be freaked out finding a strange person in their house in the middle of the night. If you think you wouldn't be freaked out by that kind of situation, then think harder. It's very easy to say "nah it wouldn't phase me one bit", but actually try to place yourself in that situation, and I can tell you that by the time I tiptoed to the end of the hall to see what was making the noise in the lounge room, I'd be nervous, perhaps shaking in my hands, and liable to overreact. Having somebody break into your house is SCARY. I shit you not. |
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