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Are you for guns or against.| Woo guns, lets go shoot up the town! |
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Angel Hardhat Beetle Level: 37  Posts: 277/573 EXP: 335160 For next: 3093 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 11 hours |
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| I myself dont think guns are the anwser for everything, but certain cases yes its alright. As for kids being able to purchase these firearms quite easily in the United States I see as quite a problem (see columbine). Are you pro, or con. | |||
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Stasis Level: 13 Posts: 31/51 EXP: 8901 For next: 1366 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 486 days Last activity: 206 days |
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Originally posted by AngelUmm... no. One has to be at least 18 to purchase a rifle, and at least 21 to purchase a handgun, and before you get either you have to undergo a background check. In some states there's even a pointless waiting period before you can receive your gun. Anyway, I'm pro-gun, but I'm not going to vote on the poll, because your choices are, to put it bluntly, stupid.  I do think the background check is a good thing, but a waiting period is pointless. Anybody without a criminal record should be allowed to purchase a firearm and carry it. Originally posted by AngelOf course guns aren't the answer for everything. If your life is threatened by another person, they're good for defense. If you just want to go shred some paper at the range, they're good for fun. One point I thought I'd raise; violents crimes have significantly risen in areas where guns are heavily restricted or banned. (edited by Stasis on 05-23-04 09:05 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 893/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Well, I shouldn't have to remind everyone on what the rules are. You should already know them. Main thing in mind is to just keep it respectful.  Anyway, I myself am not a gun fan at all but that doesn't mean I'm against them. I prefer blades myself when it comes to weaponry. I find it to be more fun and it takes a lot more skill. I do however think that gun laws need to be a LOT stricter here in the states. When teenagers can easily get ahold of them (Columbine for example) then something is seriously wrong. Now we can't have a thread like this and not mention Bowling for Columbine can we? Personally, I think Moore is a madman and goes WAY overboard on a lot of his stances. But the doc itself was very very well done as far as documentaries go. It was entertaining surprisingly enough. The whole animated "history of America" was highly stupid and overdramatic but that's another issue. I was surprised on what I learned about Canada after watching it. The fact that they have about the same amount of guns we have yet the homocide rate is significantly lower and most people leave their doors unlocked. I do think he hit the nail on the head with the whole "paranoia" thing. That's why there's so much gun incidents over here. :/ I don't think we should outlaw guns over here, but we definitely need to make it a lot harder to obtain and keep a firearm. Only the most responsible people should be allowed to have them. But before we work on that, we need to put a stranglehold on how easy it is to actually get a gun over here. Good god, it's scary to think how easy you can get one in America.  So to sum it up, I'm not against people owning guns as long as they are SUPER responsible about it. Oh, and I don't think people with kids should own one either. Even if you do lock it up in a safe place (which not a whole lot of father/mothers do...) it doesn't really matter. Kids can get into anything and everything. EDIT: Stasis, yeah that's the law but we obviously know that kids can easily get guns from the right sources. (edited by Legion on 05-23-04 09:05 PM) (edited by Legion on 05-23-04 09:06 PM) |
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Stasis Level: 13 Posts: 32/51 EXP: 8901 For next: 1366 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 486 days Last activity: 206 days |
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Originally posted by LegionWell, as far as I know, they either steal them from their parents, steal them from a store, or buy them from some guy in some alley selling them illegally. That can't be stopped, unfortunately. Children can't buy them from legitimate dealers unless they faked an ID or something. Originally posted by LegionIf they would teach their children about guns, then it should be okay. My Dad has owned a Glock 19 (sat on top of the refrigerator) and a MAK-90 (semi-automatic AK-47 clone, sat in his closet) all my life, and I never played with them or anything. (edited by Stasis on 05-23-04 09:11 PM) |
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Angel Hardhat Beetle Level: 37 Posts: 278/573 EXP: 335160 For next: 3093 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 11 hours |
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| Like Chris Rock once said, they shouldnt have gun control they should have bullet control. I think every bullet should cost 5000$ dollars so when theres a crime theres no innocent bystanders. He must of had to do something cause thats a 5000$ bullet in his ass. Hell id shoot you to if I could afford it imma get me another job start saving up some money and you better watch the fuck out., its not exact but you get the point. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47  Posts: 580/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| I think guns are not that bad.... guns don't kill people, people do.... and the columbine kids got guns from black market sources... and from their parents... not LEGALLY from gun dealers... in the US you can only buy 1 handgun every 30 days.... |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 896/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by ErkDog No, guns don't kill people, BULLETS kill people! or.... Guns don't kill people, I kill people. >=D Ok, I know it's unoriginal but... Hmm, I didn't know about that 30 day law. Interesting. Angel, I remember that bit with Chris Rock. It was hilarious. |
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ErkDog Fuzz Ball Level: 47 Posts: 582/982 EXP: 752190 For next: 14013 Since: 03-15-04 From: Richmond, VA Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| it may be a state law... I'm not sure I know that in VA you can only get 1 handgun every 30 days though |
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Silvershield Slime Level: 30 Posts: 232/345 EXP: 153029 For next: 12840 Since: 04-11-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 60 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Coincidentally, I've recently watched Bowling for Columbine in a Film Studies class. I was indifferent and undecided on the matter beforehand, but I find myself somewhat anti-gun afterwards. I am not a big fan of Moore - in fact, I really dislike him - but, in this case, he's convinced me. | |||
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Stasis Level: 13 Posts: 33/51 EXP: 8901 For next: 1366 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 486 days Last activity: 206 days |
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Originally posted by LegionNeither did I. I could swear someone on the AR15.com forums said he bought two handguns on the same day. Are you sure that's not a local thing, Erk? I agree wholeheartedly that people kill people, not guns. Plus if guns were to be banned, it would be like banning a baseball bat. Shooting is a sport, and there are so many groups that hold shooting competitions. If guns were banned, nobody would be able to play anymore, just like if baseball bats were banned, nobody would be able to play baseball anymore. In both cases, a lot of people would be ticked off.  |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2042/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| One thing I was shocked by in Moore's movie: They were handing out guns at a bank. Now,the 2ndd amendment says you can bear arms, but don't you think giving them out at places like that is a bit over the top? I personally think you should have the choice as to whether you have a gun or not. However, I must wonder, why is it that there are like, 10000+ gun deaths in the U.S. each year, when our neighbors to the north only have 60 or so per year? People leave their doors unlocked up there. And don't say population. Even with the population difference, the gun death ratio would not even be close. But seriously, why is it that someone so close is so different? I think we should try to figure out what Canada does different before we decide whether we should ban guns. Banning guns wouldn't keep them from being sold. They'd just be black market. I don't think that would solve much. Other than it would be a bit harder to obtain them. I would seriously like to see what the difference is in Canada. Implementing whatever they have there could help us solve the issue here. EDIT: and Angel, I think your poll choices are immature... "Let's shoot up the town" as the first one? Are you telling me that just because I think you should have the choice to have guns or not (and I'm liberal... call me weird for supporting choice here, but meh) means that I would shoot up the town in a heartbeat? Grow up, seriously. EDIT2: Silvershield, why do you dislike Moore? Leg, people kill people, not guns. Everyone else: hello. I personally wouldn't want to own a gun, but if someone else wants to, I'm not gonna stop em. EDIT3: Thank you Leg. (edited by Kefka on 05-23-04 09:45 PM) (edited by Kefka on 05-23-04 09:47 PM) (edited by Kefka on 05-23-04 09:52 PM) |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 1106/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| America has been down this banning road before. See "Prohibition"... As for Columbine, from what I have heard, these were extremely troubled kids. EXTREMELY troubled kids, who thought they would be in the same social standings as high school and would be treated the same way the rest of thier life. From my standpoint, children need to be exposed and educated more about guns and violence, and to just generally be brought up better with more morals. No one thing can be blamed. It's a collection of many things building up. Don't blame the guns. Blame the environment they were raised in. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 900/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Kefka, it's the 2nd amendment, not the 3rd. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2043/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Oh, and Jarukoth reminded me of something for some reason: Columbine isn't the only bad school shooting you know. They seem to happen regualarly, really. Well, at least kids in school with guns. They've been caught several times. And then, there have been other multiple school shootings. Some people (that 5 year old kid in Flint) could take less blame than others for what they did, but still, there are many guns in schools at different times. And um, gun deaths don't just happen at schools. They seem to happen every day, especially in major towns. It just seems to have become a part of American life. Which is sad, really... a state of life in which you can see someone got shot down, and be like "meh, whatever, what's next on the news?" because it happens so regularly that you're used to it? That's one of the things I hate about America, really. EDIT: Originally posted by Legion Thank you for clarifying that for me. (edited by Kefka on 05-23-04 09:51 PM) |
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Silvershield Slime Level: 30 Posts: 237/345 EXP: 153029 For next: 12840 Since: 04-11-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 60 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by KefkaSimply, he is incredibly liberal and I am very conservative. The only major liberal stances I support are anti-war, anti-gun, and anti-capital punishment. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2046/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Ah well... put me on your most hated list too then. And SomerZ!!! And Karl Marx! |
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Angel Hardhat Beetle Level: 37 Posts: 282/573 EXP: 335160 For next: 3093 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 11 hours |
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Originally posted by Kefka Its from the movie Bowling for Columbine I thought id add a little humor no? |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2048/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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meh, I guess it was funny in context in the movie. And for all you pro-gunners (I'm neutral, as previously stated), you should think about kicking Charleton off of his perch on top of the NRA!  He's a jackass, seriously! Pick a new pro-gun guy to lead that! |
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NightHawk Bob-Omb Level: 39  Posts: 108/621 EXP: 374743 For next: 30028 Since: 03-26-04 From: Switzerland Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html Bowling for Columbine was not a documentary by any stretch of the imagination. It contains blatant lies, falsehoods, and misrepresentations. I was neutral on gun control before Bowling for Columbine, and then for gun control afterwards, until I read about how Michael Moore manipulated things in that movie. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 1567/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I actually liked Bowling for Columbine and thought it was really thought-provoking, but to each his own. Kefka - Oh, they'll kick out Heston pretty soon if they haven't already. He has Alzheimer's. |
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