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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1803/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| ...Wow... Roxwel... Ok, as much as I hate BUSH for deciding to go to Iraq and stay there as long as we have, the SOLDIERS and OTHER PEOPLE who went there I have nothing against. They went trying to help others, and serve their country or whatnot. While the Iraqi torture was bad enough, decapitating someone does not make up for it; it makes the people who did it look more savage, but it does not jmake up for it. While I think Bush should be tried for war crimes, I don't think that the people in the war deserve things like this to happen to them. Of course, I'm one of those people who would rather no one die on either side. Some people are like "OMG IRAQIS ARE TEH EVIL KILL EM ALL" but obviously we know they are a bit... well... yea... That was beside the point. I would rather no one die, but IT'S WAR. It is inevitable that people will die. And it really isn't that surprising that they die in such cruel ways. But just because it's war doesn't justify decapitating someone. And just because it's war doesn't justify torturing prisoners. Nor does it justify parading dead bodies through streets. It's war, yes, but by saying "That's what Americans get for staying there" doesn't justify it. Nothing can justify such a cruel act. The end. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 811/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by KwanOriginally posted by Roxwel Agreed. I think most people don't realize that us American troops really dont want war. Do you think we actually want to leave our country, our homes, our friends, our loved ones, our own family and everything we hold dear just to go over to some country and kill people/be killed? Of course we don't. I sure as hell didn't enjoy going to Saudi Arabia during the war living on a bare base, eating MRE's, being without running water and electricity, living in a tent with the constant fear of being invaded by the Saudi's who were hosting us yet don't really like us. I'd have much rather stayed in the comfort of my own home WITHOUT a war. Unfortunantly, it's not our choice. That choice belongs to one man. That's why I don't think it's fair to call us American's "war crazed monsters" or anything of that sort. We hate it. It's easy for a man in a suit to say "Let's go to war", he doesn't actually have to fight in it like we do. He sits at a desk and watches the war from his television set occasionally making public appearances. Maybe if Bush was put in the shoes of an Army soldier stuck in Iraq right now (or during the war) maybe he would have had a change of heart. I highly doubt he knows the true horrors of war. To him, it's all legal documents and speeches. I don't hate the Iraqi's. If my country was invaded by another country because they wanted to "help", I'd be pissed. What if I was doing just fine? What if I was content? Ugh, we should have waited. There were many other ways. But no, it's too late for that now and we have to deal with these low acts of human indecency. I'm referring to both this and what happened to the Iraqi prisoners by the way. Both horrible, both inhumane. |
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Felix Nipper Plant Level: 33 Posts: 257/422 EXP: 208347 For next: 20832 Since: 04-03-04 From: Canada Since last post: 224 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by Roxwel Listen. America doesn't deserve anything for letting people stay in Iraq. How could you even start to say something like this? Firstly, it isn't a matter of "letting" people do anything. If folks want to go over there to help out those who need the help, it's their own individual perrogative. As for the group motion of American soldiers, their actions don't justify a bias towards the entire country. If someone kidnapped you and hacked your head off with a kitchen knife, would you think it was okay if they did it because you deserved it for living in a country that sends soldiers into Iraq? (edited by Felix on 05-13-04 11:31 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 604/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Death is a natural thing. Violence on this sort of scale is sheer madness. Although from what I've seen in the videos, they decapitated him AFTER he was dead (if you look carefully, his head goes limp before the cutting starts)...And then having forced sodomy by Americans. Really, let the sinners live their lives. There is eternal punishment waiting for them. |
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mrmenz Slime Level: 30 Posts: 56/347 EXP: 157982 For next: 7887 Since: 03-15-04 From: USA/PA Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 39 days |
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| I saw it not too long ago and I feel sick and angered , its so horrible that they would choose something like this to retaliate too, I hope those bastards burn in hell. Really though something tells me there will be worse things to come and we all know thats direction this war is probly going to go, and at this state I doubt Iraq will ever have a sense of security for americans or Iraqis. | |||
drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 271/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I think most people don't realize that us American troops really dont want war. Do you think we actually want to leave our country, our homes, our friends, our loved ones, our own family and everything we hold dear just to go over to some country and kill people/be killed? Well, the problem is there's a pretty vocal minority that does... I forget who (might've been one of the guards at Abu Gharib) but one soldier said he joined to "blow shit up". And I'm sure that there's plenty more like him. And that there's even more who are actually responsible, non-douchebag soldiers. And as for Bush, they can pour him into a flight suit all they want, but it doesn't change his attitude. Like I said before, get him a Missile Command machine. But get one for Rumsfeld. It's too late now, but in the unfortunate possibility that he's back in office, maybe this'll keep him occupied long enough to not launch an unnecessary war. |
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JaCory Porcupo Level: 29  Posts: 230/323 EXP: 141854 For next: 6031 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 69 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| I downloaded the video yesturday off kazaa, its pretty sick. What the Americans did to the Iraqi's wouldn't even be considered torture to me. We took off their clothes, made fun of their little dicks, told them to stand still on buckets, and wouldn't let them sleep. Whats the big fucking deal? Sure its wrong but its for damn sure not torture in my book, and even so the man wasn't even in the military HOWEVER... I saw on the news they was talking about how Nick Berg shared an email address with someone in Al Quaida, and he was suspected to know somthing about the 9/11 attacks... So Nick Berg could have been doing this on his own free will, this could be his little way of dieing for his religion. It really doesn't make sence anyone would want to live in Iraq, especially an American, if they had the choice. (edited by JaCory on 05-14-04 02:58 AM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 822/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by EvillerLegion I understand what you mean, Ziffy.  They |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 56/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| "they decapitated him AFTER he was dead" uhm.... have you watched the video.... one with sound? if you have... then you should have heard his screaming.... as they started cutting his neck.... it was rather blood-chilling if you ask me... I highly doubt he was dead when they did it.... |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 611/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by geeogree That was dubbed over sound. Give me proof it is valid. If you notice his muscle movements, chances are, he is dead when it happens. His body becomes heavily limber, and his neck lulls slightly. The resistance is post-mortem muscular response. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 262/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| There's some interesting conspiracy theories floating around that Nick Berg was killed by the government in order to take attention away from the prisoner abuses. I won't link to the materialis, but... yea. Sadly, I wouldn't completely put it past this administration to do such a thing. | |||
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Yoshi Dude XKEEPER STOLE MY CAR KEYS Level: 79  Posts: 414/3271 EXP: 4572680 For next: 6787 Since: 03-15-04 From: give me a number folks. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| hhallahh, I REALLY doubt that. Is there a link to this video? I don't know if I want to see it or not. I'm the traumatizable type. major loser. Yet it just makes me so curious. I've only heard about the details what happens. I've also seen a pic of Berg (regular pic, not of this incident), and to think just a normal looking guy like that would go through that much pain. And how his mother would feel. It's also something like that that makes me realize how uncompassionate I am about humanity in general. hearing about Iraqis being torchered, I didn't give it a second thought, but this was dancing in my mind for quite some time. How has it gotten to the point where I put certain lives above others. I guess that relates to how people in this thread are saying that their crime was worse than our crimes of raping and killing. everything is so fucked up. I should be grateful for being in a situation where I can just ignore it, pretend none of this shit happens, and feel okay about myself. |
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Kwan Doesn't have a valid sized userpic. ||bass will be pissed :(((((((( Level: 50  Posts: 419/1137 EXP: 937111 For next: 10206 Since: 03-15-04 From: Durkadurkastan! Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Right there. On the front page I'm interested which way they cut again. I'm not particularly wanting to watch it again, but from which side of the neck do they cut? If it's at the back, he would've died quicker than if he was to be decapitated from the throat. Either way, I don't understand how he spoke to the camera and suddenly died before the decapitation began. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 64/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| I think I actually agree with Legion. And as with his posts, when I speak of ugliness and brutality in this post I won't just be referring to this recent beheading, but to everything that has gone on. Torture, bombing, dismemberment, mutilation of corpses, beheadings... everything. I'm having trouble getting outraged by this beheading in particular, just like I wasn't particularly surprised or upset by the prisoner torture and abuse. This stuff always happens in any conflict - history shows us this. War is war, and in the grand sweep of human history, every single time you get conflict you get horrible heinous disgusting behaviour by humans towards other humans. Everyone should have expected this sort of ugliness and brutality - and I think this is just a taste. It is disgusting and horrible and reminds us of brutal reality, but what it isn't is surprising or new. No-one who advocated war should be surprised or outraged at what has happened - to have expected anything "nicer" and "easier" was painfully naive and dumb. This goes triple for George Bush and his gang of tiny-brained fuckups - to see them get up and bleat about evil and staying the course, after shit like this... christ it is maddening. The people who start the wars are never the people who die in them. These days, I'm having a fuckload of trouble restraining myself from saying "I told you so" because I don't see how there is any sort of decent solution for what's going on over there. I don't see any option that is going to fix things - pulling out, staying, sending more troops, bringing in the UN, instituting whatever form of government in Iraq (puppet or genuinely independant), flipping out and bombing everybody... I don't see anything that is going to work now. I also think it's going to get a lot worse. Horrible as it has been, both sides are using kiddy gloves so far, compared to some of the other nasty little perma-conflicts in the world today. At times like this, all I can do is sigh and think that everybody is wrong, nothing is sacred, all ideas are dangerously insane, all power corrupts, and the world can be a very depressing, ugly, brutal, merciless place. |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 838/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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kiwibonga Double metal axe Level: 27  Posts: 109/266 EXP: 106040 For next: 10119 Since: 03-15-04 From: Montreal, QC, Canada Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| Article here -- You should take a look at this article, and at the additional comments at the end. Could very well be a fake video made by the US, it wouldn't surprise me. -- Very reminescent of the golden retriever puppies being killed by saran gas or whatever... EDIT: by the way, does anyone have a video where sound is synchronized? I downloaded 3 different length ones and they all have Nick Berg screaming a long time before any agitation of any kind takes place... You can also notice they cut the video right at the moment where he's about to kill the guy... And what the fuck is with the orange clothes? EDIT: Someone please continue the discussion. I think you suck and all your mothers suck. (edited by Kiwibonga on 05-16-04 11:46 AM) (edited by Kiwibonga on 05-17-04 03:10 PM) |
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Super Sion You BlockHead! Level: 70 Posts: 395/2472 EXP: 3002513 For next: 13298 Since: 03-15-04 From: Yo Mommas House Since last post: 29 min. Last activity: 5 min. |
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| My friend showed me the video and it was extremly disturbing. Its hard to belive that people could kill an inocent person like that. People truly make me sick! My mom said I shouldnt have watched it out of respect and after thinking about it she was right. How do you think his family feels knowing that the entire world can see him being beheaded by some Iraqee bastards. It just isnt right. If you havnt watched it yet I suggest you dont. Its just the right thing to do. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 633/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Sion To put things in perspective, how do you think the family of a 15 year old Muslim from Britain feels now that they know that their son who went missing was dragged away to Cuba? I'm not justifying this. But torture is torture, death is the same as being forcefully sodomized with a broom stick, among other things. |
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Zzanitari Shyguy Level: 17  Posts: 7/99 EXP: 22754 For next: 1989 Since: 05-17-04 From: Hell Since last post: 100 days Last activity: 107 days |
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| That's so sick.....But anyway yeah I found this out a week ago. (edited by Ridley on 05-17-04 04:55 PM) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 1732/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by EvillerLegionThat was the first thing I thought on Ziff.  I don't care what the person have done (honestly). Torture isn't the right thing...  ...even if it's on people that have tortured others. Honestly it dosen't make things any better... (edited by Kitten Yiffer on 05-17-04 05:02 PM) |
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