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Tarale
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Posted on 05-10-04 05:35 PM Link | Quote
Oh. My. God.

Most of my spam is about viagra. Or home refinancing or pirate cable, online pharmacies, pirate software, lose weight now... increase the size of your love muscle, DEER ANTLER.

This.... this I have NO words for, just a quiet anger.

The world is outraged because some of our troops embarresed some Iraqi
pisioners.

These are the same people that kill American tourists and troops
celebrating while they drag their bodies through the streets,the same ones who hate
America so they feel good when they blow up our buildings and aircraft.

The same people we send aid to and rebuild their country.

I am not the least bit embarressed by the actions of Pfc. Lynndie England,
try to remember while she was embarrsing a few of the captives their comrads are
out looking for hostages and ambushing convoys, killing civilians while our troops
die trying to help them.


Give her your support,don't let the world constantly tell the US what we do wrong
while they do whatever they want to our people.These people hate us and do not think any American
has the right to live,they do not deserve our sympathy.

circulatory


Ugh. Anybody else getting spam like this?
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Posted on 05-10-04 06:05 PM Link | Quote
I already got offers for enlarging breasts
I don't pay any attention to spam. Luckily Mozilla Thunderbird has a really good junk system to filter out mails like these. Once you trained the client how to sort out unwanted mails, it works mostly alone and does its work very well

Paying attention to and discussing spam is just the aim the sender of these junk mails want; ignoring and deleting them might be the only way. Even when one of ten thousend people click on the link inside a spam mail ... it is worth sending them for the spammers; they get the attention they want and can sell their products etc. whatever they want


(edited by Gandalf The Grey on 05-10-04 09:05 AM)
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Posted on 05-10-04 06:37 PM Link | Quote
...

I hate when i see stuff like that, I just hate when they...

Intresting that they are trying to spread opinions in the spammy way... thought this letter just made me angry. I hate people who hate people becuse of their nationality.
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Posted on 05-10-04 06:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gandalf The Grey
I already got offers for enlarging breasts



I get those all the time. Also, I get things about "we were wild at that club last night" in the subject title Yet I've never gone clubbing in my life, and I'm only 16, so it might be kinda hard to go clubbing regularly.
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Posted on 05-10-04 06:52 PM Link | Quote
on my fake email account i have all kind of spam, those already mentioned,
things like, 'RE: here are the photos you asked me hun', or 'RE:something'
And the common newsletters of the webpages full of spam.

Thats why you should get a fake email account =P
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Posted on 05-10-04 06:56 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Maxtwo
on my fake email account i have all kind of spam, those already mentioned,
things like, 'RE: here are the photos you asked me hun', or 'RE:something'
And the common newsletters of the webpages full of spam.

Thats why you should get a fake email account =P
I totally agree!
Anytime I have to enter my EMail address anywhere I don't trust, I use my Yahoo! address instead of my "real" address.
I get absolutely no spam in my real address because of this, and it only takes a couple minutes a day to clean the spam out of my Yahoo! box.
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Posted on 05-10-04 07:14 PM Link | Quote


Good thing you can actually deactivate messenger.
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Posted on 05-10-04 07:16 PM Link | Quote
That thing dosen't work on me.

It dosen't get through my Router, I do have messenger activated and I do use it sometimes. Mostly for pranks.

Intresting that winpopup seems to work in the same way as messenger.
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Posted on 05-10-04 07:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ismannen


Good thing you can actually deactivate messenger.


That happened to me too before, i just clean'ed up my system of spyware and got a pop up stopper.And it didnt appear again.Try getting spy bot :search and destroy, adaware, Google toolbar...
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Posted on 05-10-04 07:44 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gandalf The Grey
I already got offers for enlarging breasts
I don't pay any attention to spam. Luckily Mozilla Thunderbird has a really good junk system to filter out mails like these. Once you trained the client how to sort out unwanted mails, it works mostly alone and does its work very well

Paying attention to and discussing spam is just the aim the sender of these junk mails want; ignoring and deleting them might be the only way. Even when one of ten thousend people click on the link inside a spam mail ... it is worth sending them for the spammers; they get the attention they want and can sell their products etc. whatever they want


My point isn't that I got spammed -- I get spammed 50 times a day every day.

But this spam didn't have a link. It wasn't selling anything but an idea -- the idea that Iraqui prisoners DESERVE to be beaten and tortured and humiliated, that it is the US Soldier's patriotic duty to do so. o.o

And that's what made me feel sick.

I don't care about teen girls and viagra and all of that, like I said, I get that 50 times a day, every day, it's old hat.

But this -- this is new. This is the first time I've recieved (hate) propaganda, and frankly, it's DISGUSTING.

Has anybody else recieved any politically charged stuff like this? Propaganda style things? Hate message stuff?

This is the kind of thing I expect the KKK to start sending out. It's sickening.
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Posted on 05-10-04 08:07 PM Link | Quote
Well, usually it is easy to manipulate the sender's email address and data, so I doubt the sender used his real mail address; unless you know how to reveal it (if this is even possible).
As for the content of the spam mail, yes, it's besides any ethic and moral issue.
It's the same with pornography with children. I also would like, sorry, hacked off all cocks of those people who are spreading these things around the internet; as well as for the "vendors" of those images as the "customers" [...]

I wonder why people didn't already did that before with this kind of propagande (probably already longer, but not in this way I ever have seen); using the current instable situation in Iraq for tnemselves and trying to convince people for their own way. The only thing what helps, is to think about messages like these ...



(edited by Gandalf The Grey on 05-10-04 11:11 AM)
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spam has gone down to new low...i receive so much, that I really don't take notice of spam anymore. I just scan the first 50 i get and then i delete everything else. however, if I noticed this spam message, then I would react the same way you did.

there is only one person I would tolerate humilation for and that is of saddam hussein. after all, the stuff he did to people deserve this kind of thing to a certain extent. humilation of iraqi P.O.W.s i think is wrong since they are just following orders and deep down, they wouldn't do such a thing unless they were being ordered.

on a side note, my spam count of ~2000/week obliterates anyones out there
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Posted on 05-10-04 08:19 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Maxtwo
Originally posted by ismannen


Good thing you can actually deactivate messenger.


That happened to me too before, i just clean'ed up my system of spyware and got a pop up stopper.And it didnt appear again.Try getting spy bot :search and destroy, adaware, Google toolbar...


Well, it's not IE we're talking about here, it's that messenger crap-thingy. Since I disabled it, nothing more have been seen. And I usually check my comp with adaware every week or so. Gotta love firebirds popupblocker, works perfect. No more evil popups from homepages anymore.

As for my email. I have one "real" which I only use under very special circumstances. And one hotmail which I use whenever I need an emailadress to register things.
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Posted on 05-10-04 08:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ChibiTaryn
Originally posted by Gandalf The Grey
I already got offers for enlarging breasts
I don't pay any attention to spam. Luckily Mozilla Thunderbird has a really good junk system to filter out mails like these. Once you trained the client how to sort out unwanted mails, it works mostly alone and does its work very well

Paying attention to and discussing spam is just the aim the sender of these junk mails want; ignoring and deleting them might be the only way. Even when one of ten thousend people click on the link inside a spam mail ... it is worth sending them for the spammers; they get the attention they want and can sell their products etc. whatever they want


My point isn't that I got spammed -- I get spammed 50 times a day every day.

But this spam didn't have a link. It wasn't selling anything but an idea -- the idea that Iraqui prisoners DESERVE to be beaten and tortured and humiliated, that it is the US Soldier's patriotic duty to do so. o.o

And that's what made me feel sick.

I don't care about teen girls and viagra and all of that, like I said, I get that 50 times a day, every day, it's old hat.

But this -- this is new. This is the first time I've recieved (hate) propaganda, and frankly, it's DISGUSTING.

Has anybody else recieved any politically charged stuff like this? Propaganda style things? Hate message stuff?

This is the kind of thing I expect the KKK to start sending out. It's sickening.


It doesn't actually say anyone deserves the abuse, just that it's our patriotic duty to ignore it or whatever else it'll disrupt unity. Which is true. It's just a shitty argument. The closest thing to racism is when the author says, "these are the same people who ______". How are the same people? Cause they're both from Iraq? So it's okay to rape 12 year old girls or whatever because some of "those people" burned a convoy? Hm.

It's more embarassing than enraging to me.
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Posted on 05-10-04 09:08 PM Link | Quote
hhallahh: The prisoners were Iraqi troops. Not 12 y/o girls. They were, in fact people who did just that shit. If they were innocent citizens I'd agree with Taryn that it's an absurd email, but I kinda agree with the damn thing. Although poorly stated, it contains truth which is a very strong argument.

I know the woman they're talking did this with another woman who about lives in Wilkes-Barre, about 20 mins from here, and 5 from where I used to live. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that email originated from my area. People around here are pissed off that she's getting shit for this, while the Iraqi prisoners and troops who fought for Saddam are getting away with whatever they damn well please and then we're letting them go after we capture them without any prosecution.


(edited by Yiffy Kitten on 05-10-04 12:10 PM)
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Posted on 05-10-04 10:40 PM Link | Quote
Uh, Deer Antler?

I got a shitload of spam everyday when Hotmail used their old mail system. Now they
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Posted on 05-10-04 11:30 PM Link | Quote
The prisoners were Iraqi troops. Not 12 y/o girls.

Oh, why can't I just get away with sloppy rhetoric?

NBC News later quoted U.S. military officials as saying that the unreleased photographs showed American soldiers


(edited by hhallahh on 05-10-04 02:30 PM)
(edited by hhallahh on 05-10-04 02:39 PM)
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hhallahh: I'm talking in defense of England and the other 3 soldiers involded with her whose names I don't remember, I'm not defending anyone else. These people were pissed, and rightly so, after the incident with Jessica Lynch, and they "abused" the Iraqi soldiers they captured that were responsible for the attack on Lynch's convoy.

Whether or not there are other incidences which may or may not be justifiable, this incident, in my opinion, is. Now, beating an innocent man or soldier is completely different than beating one who rapes women, attacks "American Symptathizers" who are innocent Iraqi citizens, or kills our soldiers, especially if they do it with underhanded/sneaky tricks. But that's just my opinion, I suppose
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What was the incident with Jessica Lynch? It's not like she was abused or anything. Either way, being "pissed" at the enemy is obviously a poor justification of torture / abuse. I suppose the actions of the Iraqis who burned the convoy in Fallujah were justifiable, since they were sufficiently "pissed"? After all, it's us who invaded their lands and have killed thousands of their people.

Now, beating an innocent man or soldier is completely different than beating one who rapes women, attacks "American Symptathizers" who are innocent Iraqi citizens, or kills our soldiers, especially if they do it with underhanded/sneaky tricks.

It is different, but it's still not justified. And like I already said, do you know that these prisoners were personally involved in those activities? No, you don't. I haven't heard that these are the same soldiers, and even so... war is war, and you're not supposed to eke out personal retribution against those who oppose you in battle. I mean, this logic can easily be applied in reverse to justify any atrocities the Iraqis commit against us. The American ideal isn't "might makes right", and that pandering to the lowest common denominator is justified... yet.

It's funny, and I hate to play the race card, but you know that if the people being abused were white... if they looked like us... it would not be tolerated at all, period. It's really disgusting how this works. You hear about the faceless, sadistic abusers in Saddam's rape rooms... but when they're our rape rooms, it's just a small-town girl who got caught up with something bad.. wrong place, wrong time. It's such bullshit.


(edited by hhallahh on 05-10-04 03:21 PM)
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And like I already said, do you know that these prisoners were personally involved in those activities? No, you don't.

Do you know that they weren't? No, you don't.

For all you or anyone else knows, these people tortured little girls, and sliced off old people's feet.

And you say how we invaded their lands, and killed thousands of their people. Hmmm, what did Sadaam do to his own people? Oh, that's right....kill them, often times brutally.
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