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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1765/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Waddler-D Actually, we have a place to dump your aggravation as well. But I agree. Part of the reason this place has lost its edge is because everyone is too high strung. If we all calm down, I suppose we would have a better chance to prevent flaming, and a better chance to get Ace back to the board.  |
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Sofie Level: 52 Posts: 336/1210 EXP: 1028812 For next: 55028 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 187 days Last activity: 279 days |
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Originally posted by Yoshi Dude Best point made yet. I don't think I need to post much more, as the post I made half asleep still makes sense to me. I don't agree with bringing back ACS. bringing in some fresh ideas or board tournaments/events/whatever is a good idea, but ACS was just legit spam stimulation, because it was ran by an admin. The board does need intrest back, but that won't be achieved by dwelling in the past. Nor by trying to get the past back by recreating parts of it. It got restarted, things were lost and gained, just live with it. I don't like have 200 posts either, but we'll just have to try and make the best of it. |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 819/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Just for my defense, yes, I used to post a shit load, and that was because I was having fun. I tend to do things fast in whatever I do (heck, my GM will tell you that even. I can do the paperwork faster than anyone, why? Because I move fast) and in turn, I tend to post fast. Yes, there were posts that I didn't read, especially in threads with heaps of replies about a simple topic. It's called speed reading. Everyone does it. And I guess that you didn't notice my little break here, my downfall in posts, huh? And wouldn't you want someone active on staff? And I had the experience from other boards as well. I wanted to help out any way that I could and I was given the chance. When we had that whole staff reconstruct, I was pretty much the only one in IRC at the time (if I remember right) who was worried if someone started to spam up the board while we had no staff. And as for admin, I never asked for it, really. I just wanted to help out. At one point, Colleen and myself were the only two active admins. Everyone has their own way to do things, and if I liked to post cause I once had fun doing it, then so be it. What's the so wrong about posting for fun? I could care less about numbers. I would rather have it hidden like at Proto's and only seen in a profile. Heck, I've even taken down my post radar. Anyway, I've tried my best to bring what I could to this board, a bit of fun and activity. And if that meant that I used to post like crazy, then so be it. At any rate, it was also a time in my life that I had no motivation to do anything else and this board helped me to get through it. To each is own I guess. I mean, I never though of it that way, but it takes someone from the outside to really see things, I guess. I always thought that I was unwanted here and a sore. Heck, I don't even feel like I'm the popular one (you can thank the lack of IMs and the the high modesty that I carry around) here or anything like that. But nothing personal, right? What you see is what you assume before finding out the whole story, right? Is that not the way of the world? But anyway, I do agree with you on the content of some of the threads being created here. It's the same old thing, usually asking about a certain favorite board scheme. It's a little like, "who's your fav FF char" asked over and over again. I don't want to get into this more right now, since I just woke up and I have other things to do, but I'll leave with what I posted at Proto's (yes again): "You do one thing, get told another, then someone else can do that one thing, but you can't?  "Take it however you see fit. (edited by Anya on 05-13-04 10:28 AM) |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47  Posts: 51/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Max Didn't they already try restaffing.  I think we need to get good, solid, acitve, responsible staff. I mean there is a lot of duty behind it yeah but still that is no reason to act all Goddish. I think like four staff members should stay and the rest leave. Then let the four staff choose the next staff person and so on. |
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Weasel Missionary in PeruLevel: 34  Posts: 296/454 EXP: 236444 For next: 17207 Since: 03-15-04 From: Washington Since last post: 467 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by AnyaOMFG admins ban her! She can't post a lot and have fun at the same time! The rules call that spam! (at least, this is how I see things being run today) -edit- The reorganization of the staff led to what we're at today, remember? A lot of people got pissed, a lot of people got banned, and the situation didn't improve at ALL. Plus, I like my name color  (edited by Weasel on 05-13-04 10:31 AM) |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1766/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I think the staff lineup right now is fine. If you were to remove anyone, it would be those that haven't been here in forever. One thing that I find puzzling though is that the number of admins (12) outnumbers the number of full mods (6) 2 fold. Which seems very strange. You'd expect it to be the other way around. Other than that, I think everything's fine... of course, there have been a lot of admins do NOTHING in recent months, so maybe we need a slight restaffing... but for the most part, the ones that HAVE been active have been doing a good job. | |||
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98 Posts: 820/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Weasel: That's the impression that I have as well. And I don't think fixing the staff will do any good. We need ideas, we need new threads, and above all else, we need people to stop their bitching about how someone is and worry about your own damn self and start to have fun again. When one person is down, it reflects unto another and so forth and after a while, everyone feels shitty. Heck, if I was Acmlm right now, I would be doing the same thing he is doing (save for Gunbound ). But you get my drift. |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47 Posts: 52/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Anya how are we supposed to have fun when even some of the admin's feel the board isnt in agood position? How are the regular members supposed to enjoy something that noone has confidence in? Especially the leaders! I think things need to be done to make coming here more enjoyable. I just suggested a restaffing. Maybe letting members choose who they would like to have leadership at the board along with Acmlm. Maybe like a vote. (edited by Randy53215 on 05-13-04 10:46 AM) |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98 Posts: 821/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| You see, I was thinking the same thing, but then you have to consider that people might vote on popularity, which shouldn't be the case. If Milly wants the staff changed, let the Milly do it. And I totally get what you are saying and it goes the other way around as well (well, for me anyway) and I want to change that, or at least try to, anyway. |
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Waddler-D Deddorokku Level: 33  Posts: 73/442 EXP: 227132 For next: 2047 Since: 03-15-04 From: Orange Ocean, Popstar Since last post: 168 days Last activity: 123 days |
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| Anya: That's exactly what I'm thinking, we need ideas and something to straightening out the board into a steady increase of enjoyment. Randy: You know, for one who doesn't posts a lot around here, you do have a good idea about the current situation as well, hehe. Well, Sofie... Acmlm had given his point earlier, he's not too happy with the board's standings, but these recent posts are merely suggestions and such. So that when he would read through the thread, he could see what others are believing about the board. What matters is that we all want the board to be a better place for everybody, and it's best to throw out ideas at this point. Not radical ideas, but ideas that could possibly be build upon. Yeah, a little bit of the staff hasn't been doing their job recently, but it's not good to just blantantly say "WE NEED RESTAFFING, OLD STAFF IS THE SUCKS!". The reason why the last restaffing campaign failed, in a couple of respects, is because it was in some ways, radical. A group of people wanted a rather large restaffing and that could cause it so that people would start fighting. It's just not how things go in a message board. Sure, democracy can work in some places like in the US, but running some huge protest on a message board is going to be like it was back then when things like unions were illegal and basically people got jailed/fired from jobs. Protests and strikes may be a good thing, but sometimes they swell up nasty, unnecessary riots that only hurt things. Same thing with the board... I'm not asking for a huge restaffing, but a small one couldn't hurt. (edited by Waddler-D on 05-13-04 10:50 AM) |
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Sandy53215 Acmlm (10:55:31 PM): they're having fun for the first time in so long Level: 47 Posts: 53/948 EXP: 713034 For next: 53169 Since: 03-15-04 From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Waddler I think that a small restaffing is fine. And I dont post much becuase I am always busy. My activity will pick up though. |
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Valcion YOU WA SHOCK Level: 50  Posts: 227/1139 EXP: 939607 For next: 7710 Since: 03-15-04 From: internets. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| At least you're honest, leroy And in my defense, the only place where i bitch about this place is IRC. and yes, I AM trying to work on not bitching as much. As for the staff: They're all trying their fucking best to make this a good board. Believe me, they only want the best. Some are just a little misdirected. I do my job, and yes, i do it well. Despite being a jackass, i do what my duties ask of me. out of all the bans that have been made recently, i've only done about two. And those are ONLY if the majority of staff agrees on it. And if i do end up trolling or particpating in one of those OMGOMGOMG threads everyone bitches about, i usually lose interest after posting one or two things. And as for complaining about Kario's thread. He did have a chance to defend himself. and i stopped after a bit. I got tired of the thread (although i did want to add on to the mushroom picture though ). I don't go fucking overboard.Want to know who reccomended Toxic?: I did. I suggested it. I lurked on NCF a few times awhile back, and he seemed like a respectable staff member. Yiffy Kitten's got great intentions, while he may be a bit overzealous, he just doesn't want another mass exodus of good members (im expecting someone to go HES MAKING AN EXODUS OF GOOD MEMBERS BY BANNING EVERYONE LOLOL) Erk I'm on the border about. I see that he's trying. He's done more behind the scenes work on this board than you would believe. He's been told to calm down with the shit thats gone down. and to tell you the truth: The morons here are actually not as bad as say, a final fantasy message board. That's the damn honest truth. That's not saying the ones we get aren't bad though. I'm just saying it could be worse. but what do i know. after all, I'm a CORRUPT ADMIN LOL am i not? (edited by Valcion on 05-13-04 11:32 AM) |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 271/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Randy53215 Well, post count alone doesn't show maturity of a (staff) member, yes. It shows activity and frequency, but also someone could post ten thousand senseless replies to raise his/her post count, making a bad member and probably rated something below 5 from the most members People like FuSoYa might be an exception. He doesn't post too often, but his very experienced skills in ROM hacking and programming are fine and helpful, also he was the one who enabled hacking SMW that good and convenient, so he is the right choice for the SMW Hacking and ROM Hacking forum. There might be exceptions like Acmlm on the old board with 38k+ posts, but usually a higher post count does not tell anything about the intelligence level of a user. Think of people like Evil Peer with low post counters, who find out very useful ROM hacking data and other people of that sort |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1767/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Phil, actually, lots of people besides you were bugging Ace to make Tox a mod... well, one other at least  and perhaps you were the only staffer, but don't hog all the credit to yourself |
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Waddler-D Deddorokku Level: 33 Posts: 74/442 EXP: 227132 For next: 2047 Since: 03-15-04 From: Orange Ocean, Popstar Since last post: 168 days Last activity: 123 days |
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| Well, Valcion, I doubt you're under the hammer. I say that you have done your job quite well and I have respect for you. I don't really think that you're really corrupt either. I can understand that you're probably sick with the complaining about how some things need to get better around here, and even when you try your best. You were right about Kario being able to defend himself though, as he tried, but he said the wrong things and basically got trolled afterwards. I think after the third page was a good time to stop the thread as I thought it was getting out of hand. Though, you know, there is something I got out of your post, Valcion. Maybe we're expecting just a little too much lately. Maybe we expecting a little too much from things and that's why we're not so happy about the board. The only thing that can mess up fun is the feeling of something else. I think that the most important thing that a staff member has to have is their motive for being that staff member. Are they trying their best, even when times are tough, to keep this board going? Or is it something else? All in all, I doubt we can really put blame on a person or group here. In reality, it's just what we are thinking and how it's kind of going to the point of where our emotions and other things are getting in the way, quite possibly. Still, while I'm suggesting a small restaffing (I'm talking about ALL of the staff, not just admins here.), I feel that the admins that are wanting to keep this board only up, by getting rid of users who act up and out of term about things and keeping order to an extent, should stay... EDIT: Gandalf, you have a very good point about what you said though. Post count definitely doesn't tell you about the user's thoughts, actions, or attitudes about things. It's just some blue-coated NUMBERS! (edited by Waddler-D on 05-13-04 11:59 AM) (edited by Waddler-D on 05-13-04 12:14 PM) |
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Sofie Level: 52 Posts: 339/1210 EXP: 1028812 For next: 55028 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 187 days Last activity: 279 days |
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| I know that some of the staff is trying, but I stick to my oppinion, most of them do a lousy job. I respect people that try, fail, and learn from their mistakes. As far as I know, bigger/important issues are still handled the same here; a thread is created, everyone who is actually active and/or interested in the issue bitches about it, and then it's generally one admin who gets tired of the bitching, does something about the issue and then gets everyone's complaints over him/her because he/she actually took action over words. That's something I'd like to see instead of just talking about it. TJ, I'm not happy for you, but I hope you can make a difference for the better. Good luck, you'll need it. Now pretty please do reform the staff somewhat, by atleast demoting inactive staff. Not to local, but to normal users straigth away. And do it without warning beforehand, or we'll get a sudden temporary flood of formerly inactive staff trying to save their asses. I'm just going to ignore this thread now, as normal users can't change shit. You can bring up suggestions, but that's about it. Speaking of those, I think ARR and Legion would make better locals than most of the current ones, just because everyone actually knows who they are. And wether you agree with them or not, they don't have shit for brains. *shuts up now and goes back to RO* |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1771/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Sofie Heh, can't say I disagree. (i.e. I agree) I don't agree with them on everything frankly, but there are certain admins and mods that just don't do shit here anymore, therefore Leg and Yosh would certainly do a better job than them. We need someone as harsh as they are to idiots to be on staff. |
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Fyxe Lyn Level: 51 Posts: 164/1160 EXP: 954265 For next: 59673 Since: 03-29-04 Since last post: 117 days Last activity: 114 days |
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| Well, I must say that the current admins are dang harsh on 'idiots' at the moment. Very harsh. *Looks at Kario* HE wasn't even that much of an idiot, in my opinion. I think we need people who are LESS harsh on idiots (ie: don't make fun of them and don't bitch at them, and basically don't give them the attention they're asking for), but who are willing to hang around, close threads, tell people off when they're being assholes, basically be a good admin. I'm not saying none of the admins at the moment are like that, though, because that's not true. There just needs to be a bit more of a relaxed atmosphere around here.. Ok, I'm done interjecting some pointless and probably nonsensical rambling. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1772/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Fyxe If you define "pointless and probably nonsensical rambling" to be something well thought out and helpful, then ok... Yea, I suppose I went the wrong direction. YARR and Leg are so witty though at times!  OK, but yea, I guess that is one of the reasons it's not that comfortable around here anymore. I'm sure I'm not the only one that worries about me (or themselves) being banned after every post I make. I'm sure there's a handful of people who feel like that. That is one of the things that is bad about this place; the atmosphere that if you make one stupid comment you're banned. EDIT2: Just so there's no confusion, since Yiffy Kitten seemed to think that I changed all of my post to fit what Anya said, the only edit I made in the post before these comments was adding "(or themselves)" so that I wouldn't be implying that others would all be worried about Keffy being banned, but rather themselves. (edited by Kefka on 05-13-04 01:25 PM) (edited by Kefka on 05-13-04 01:35 PM) |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98 Posts: 824/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| "don't make fun of them and don't bitch at them, and basically don't give them the attention they're asking for" ~ Fyxe Thank you. There was once a time where it was set as a rule of sorts, that you should not give a lamer or soon-to-be-banned member attention. That is their fuel and they will use it once it comes forth. There was a time that if you posted in thread created by a spammer, you would also get a warning of sorts. Now it just seems as a game to me, really. I mean, lamer, spammer, banned member or not, everyone deserves some type of respect at some point. No matter who you are, what you do, no on really likes be be made fun of. I mean, I must agree, the whole Ninja AE thing was very funny and I even talked and messed with him on Trillian. Anyway, you get my point, I hope. "I'm not the only one that worries about me being banned after every post I make. " ~ Kefka That is in the back of my mind everyday, especially since I used to post a shit load. But really, yea, I hear that.  (edited by Anya on 05-13-04 01:13 PM) |
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