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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -4442/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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| Haha, destickied. I wonder why. Now I'm sure someone will be wondering how/why the fuck I"m editing a post, and it's because I fucking feel like it, >=P So anyway, does anyone else find it funny that the hot once-stickied thread was made by a banned user? XD Oh, and... am I permabanned or not, my title doesn't say  I look back at my old posts via memory... Come on, I had a fricking size 20 font [burry screen and the fact that 20 != 20 point font in HTML, jerks]... plus I couldn't type a capital letter for the life of me... then agian, the real reason I was here was to ask about the SMB3D, with the same question that's been asked over and over again, haha.. I also agree on the strictness. It's gotten far too tight lately. I'll refrain from using the ErkDog thread as an example [although really, where did I outright flame him worse than TG and Erk flamed me? I dont' remember calling Erk a fuckface, thank you]... but the Kario thread, yes, it was, once again, a legitimate thread that got bombed to death by two admins-- TWO -- and then he got permabanned for it. Why? Since I haven't read it recently [a few days ago at the latest] I'll just try... He was defending himself. If people call you shit, you, unable to take physical action against them, will probably use curse words and other such things as your defense against them. If you're going to make that thread, a better question would be: "Why the hell didn't they get banned?" It's like threads here are marked as "Flame OK" for everyone but the creator of it, which I find stupid. Acmlm said he felt like Kario shouldn't be perma-banned for making that thread. Everyone attacked him, and it was kinda funny, but looking back Acmlm's right. Some admins (not attacking anyone directly) had said Acmlm should tell them what to do.. then they said Acmlm should unban himself. That just proves my point again-- everyone attacked him. It may have been funny at the time, but... [sighs] ... Also, isn't it funny how some staff say that giving lamers attention is just what they want, and yet by looking in the display case that's all we find? Practice what you preach, thanks. That just encourages them to do more. I also realized: We close threads about advertising, and yet Erk does it all over the place, constantly claming his site is better than anything else without proof, and also just offers a URL in a thread-- Look in Help/Suggestions, I believe, it's one Erk made without any replies. The only thing in it is a link to projects.netho... Continuing, I'd like to congradulate Hiryuu on becoming a full mod, even though he told me it'd likely happen and I told him in IM. Congrats on accomplishing something I'll never accomplish, haha... Anyway, I decided to come up with some basic rules for admins, should the board take the path I suggested and redo everything [staff, anyway] 1. Local Mod promotion: General poll with the staff. Acmlm's input is much welcomed, but not absolutely required A large majority of the active staff should agree, possibly 75%. 2. Full Mod promotion: Another general poll, but requiring a larger majority, and with luck Acmlm's vote, with him being able to override it; it is his board, after all. 3. Admin promotion: This should be brought up with the staff to just get an idea, and if it's accepted there go on to Acmlm-- no promotion without his approval. It's his board, and that basically puts a user one step under him. --- I'd like to thank you all for contributing to this thread. I never thought it'd get this far with so many people... I though it would just be a regular thread like the old one, but then Acmlm posted, and it kind of snowballed... So really, thanks to Ace, and then thanks to everyone for their input; I really hope he considers this, because if we're right and he follows this [with his own ideas too..] this may just help out, if even slightly. I'd also like to quote Kitten Yiffer, in a diffrent thread about this on a diffrent board... "I'm more worried about Ace than the board, really..." Okay, I admit, it's not the exact quote, but it's about the same. Same idea, diffrent and shortended wording. But ... is it too late, or can this place be turned around?... Edit! Wow, this post is huge, and already I'm making an update. Someone suggested moving this to the public forums, and ... well, I don't know. It is my thread really, although it wouldn't have gotten where it was if it wasn't for people like you. If you feel this should really be moved, go ahead, although I would prefer it to be in this 'secret' place. If you know an oldbie whos input you think would work well here, tell them. I'd like to keep it down to people who have been at the old board for a while before it crashed. So yes, even Kario, XD... Mabye I'll PM him and get his ideas. I don't care if the user's banned or not, if they were here and not an AE-lamer, I welcome their opinion.. Intresting how neither Yiffy Kitten nor Erkdog have posted in this.. Well, okay, Erk did but it didn't say much other than some crap on milestone posting, heh. (edited by Xkeeper on 05-12-04 09:15 PM) (edited by Xkeeper on 05-13-04 09:37 AM) |
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 290/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 602/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 808/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Alright, i want to move this thread to general chat so everyone can see this. Hmmm..I'll just copy what I said at Proto: X, could you give me the link to this thread that you were talking about in your first post, please? Well, it started to go down hill for me...hmmm...at the start of this year, actually. I mean, the New Year spree was great, a change in pace and a great way to let off steam (I was orginally sad when I started that spree and somehow it turned into, well, most of you saw it) and just be crazy for once. Acmlm's board has lost that. Especially when they closed down the Lost Threads. Sure, it was spammy for a bit, but not all the time. And what's funny now, is that they want to close the LT again, but now the CD is more spammy than the LT. Beh, anyway....sorry to be jumping around eveywhere, but... When the board went down, I saw that as a sign. I wanted it back so much, but I knew that something was up. Especially since NO ONE has stated what actually went wrong and why the board vanished liked that. Once the "new" board was up, starting from square one, I knew that was the final blow for me. What it looked liked (and from some of the threads that I saw) to me, was that Acmlm himself was trying to bring the board back into it's prime. But he got the opposite of that. Honestly, I don't think Milly really wanted to get rid of the ACS from the get go, you know. He should have said that it stays, end of topic. It's his board, or so it seems from the banner at the top, but he doesn't seem to take the actions that is needed to be that leader. Sure, maybe he is busy with an offline life (which I have been more and more as well) and with the downfall of the board, he's more conerned with his life than an MB. Hmmmm..I mean, where the heck is the damn back-up anyway? Lack of motivation to say the least. Hmmmm.... .... That was earlier today. You know what I say now? Lets have fun again.... |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1743/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Well, I don't see the point in the ACS really... however... I do agree entirely that Ace does not act like he owns the board even though he does. On IRC, he once told me that he didn't think Kario should be banned. I told him that I disagreed, but then I also told him that what I thought didn't matter. It was his board, and he makes the rules. However, he seems to back off too much, and let everything be in the hands of everyone else. If it's his board, he should step up to the plate and take a swing now and then, so to speak. |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98 Posts: 809/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| ...and we should be his support. He's has done a lot for the board, but if we don't make this place enjoyable, then why should he even bother? | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1746/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Well, I try to do my part in making it enjoyable.  I don't try to be a jackass, at least.But even if this place isn't enjoyable, that doesn't excuse Ace for sitting around watching the place go to hell, does it? How about everyone tries to make it more enjoyable, since that is apparently the issue, and then Ace tries to step up and be a leader again instead of the owner who sits around and watches everything?  |
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| This board has gone to hell. Over 3 years ago, when this board was just being made, it was brown and ugly at the moment I first saw it, because of the Daily Cycle scheme. A few days later I signed up as member #108, back then still FinalFantasyLeroy. Ever since then I stuck to this board, until recently, when I finally decided to take my leave instead of staying here and in general just getting more pissed and annoyed every time. I for one have always felt I had a negative impression and reputation here. Ever since I was blamed for hacking FFLegend long ago (at a time when I was still a newbie who barely knew how to make hyperlinks, I didn't even know what 'hacking' was), I've always been avoided, ignored, degraded, lied to and in general not taken seriously. Oh yeah, the FFLegend hacking was a frame, nothing more. Emuz, Blades and a lot of others knew about it. Blades for one always stayed out of it and shut up, as for Emuz, in spite of the fact he knew it was nothing but a filthy frame, he participated with the FFLegend regulars (Doomgaze, Schala and SilenceMessiah mostly at that time) to try to kick me out of this place here as well. And he did eventually, when I was flaming with Doomgaze, he permabanned me for flaming. That's a long story, I've ran fully through it on this board multiple times already, either way, ever since then, people have been taking me for a fool, which I'm not too fond of at all. This board has only gotten downhill, and more downhill. It was fun years ago; a lot of the features Acmlm added were still unique at that time, the board didn't have this boring, plain look and that was the base of a lot of members to sign up. I loved the member base years ago, I knew most people, talked to a lot of them, and in overal, the board was still more fun. As many others have said, this place is going to hell, though I've seen some varied points. My main reasons for starting to dislike this place are majorly the favoritism that's airing here, the "I am holier than thou" attitude of certain staff members, and in overal what people started posting for, which is just to get some high post count or stupid ACS ranking thing. Personally, for one reason I'm getting totally bored of all forums in general. I've been browsing forums, starting at FFLegend, for nearly 5 years now, and I see an ongoing cycle... The overal interrest in threads is dissapearing because threads aren't exciting anymore. Think about it, how many times do you see a thread about something you haven't seen before? How many more times ARE we going to have threads like "Post your desktop!", "Favorites", and the load of other threads that just majorly keep re-appearing, popping up? This board does that a lot if you ask me. Before I was banned, I rarely found a thread in my formerly most favorite type of forum, the General Discussion one, anymore which I found interresting enough to post in. Then for the big fish, favoritism. Yes, we know it has always been hanging around at this board as a huge plague. A lot of people, including me, opened their mouths about it several times, but we were never taken serious, in some cases even considered fools, and sometimes even banned. I've always noticed at this board, that people that just post horribly much, are emediately put in the spotlights, and are considered cool. To name a few examples: Kitten Yiffer and Anya. We both know they post a lot, and a lot of people seem to look up to them, but for what? No offense Kitten Yiffer, you post a horrible ammount of posts, I'm fine with that, but personally, I think your posts are really lacking content, or a friggin' point at times. In fact, sometimes I think you're replying to something without even having read the thread itself. The same I have with Anya, maybe it's just me, but I notice that she too has been posting more for quantity, than for quality. In fact, she's even a full moderator now, but for what? She was very active here before (annoyingly active, I might add.), and all of a sudden she was a staff member. I mean, what the hell? Especially when the ACS came, this place went majorly downhill post quality wise if you ask me. A lot of people were just screwing up threads with their goddamn urge to get a high ACS ranking, and thus most of their posts were quick, stupid posts usually lacking points, clues and arguements. Who fucking cares about post count, or how much your post?! Then there were some other attention hogs. To name an extreme one: Manda. Manda was a bitch, she seemed to caused trouble and flame wars every time she opened her mouth on this forum, it was always trouble with her, but just because some staff members used to like her, in spite of the fact so many people were complaining about her, nothing happened and she got the opportunity to start even more shit. How long did it take for Manda to finally be banned in spite of the many complaints? It was very long. That's a thing that always pissed me off at this forum, 'some' members could get away with a lot more stuff than others, regardless of what. Mainly staff members. Again, I'm going to use Manda as an example. I remember sometime last year, she was using a title saying "I'm a fuck tiger, rawr" or something in that direction. I was using a sarcastic title containing the word "bitch" (which wasn't even directed to anyone in particular, just a general quote) and it was removed by an admin. The same for flaming, which happens a lot here. Heck, how many times have I been banned for flaming on this board while a shitload of others did the exact same and got away with it every time? There's just a very hostile air circulating at this forum, people are constantly on eachother's throats, and you're pretty much screwed at this place already if you make one little mistake, especially with the staff. People are always bitching here instead of actually doing something about it. Then there's staff. What do I see as an ideal staff member? Well, let's say you have a Final Fantasy forum, the ideal staff member for that forum would, in my eyes, be someone that knows a shitload about Final Fantasy, is active in the forum and perticipates in the threads in it (with constructive and helpful posts, instead of ACS/post count raising crap lacking points or anything like it) and someone with some fuckign temper, not someone that aggressively jumps on someone's throat whenever someone makes a little mistake, instead of correcting it. To be blunt, I don't recognise a lot of good staffers here at all. And to be even blunter (if that's a word), I could name a handful of people in staff here that have an extreme "I am holier than thou"-attitude just because they're staff. Let's walk down the list of staff according to the memberlist, and for a few of them, I'll say what I think of them, and explain myself; nothing personal. Toxic I don't know the guy, he has over 1000 posts, yet I never really even noticed him here. So I'm not going to say a lot about this guy. Though I find it very suspicious he is suddenly being promoted right after ErkDog's promotion, because Toxic is from what I know a staff member at ErkDog's board. Because I never really noticed him, and this in my eyes doesn't really offer anything more than most members on this board, I don't see why he's a moderator. Hyperhacker Pretty much the same on this guy. I never really noticed him until he was promoted, so, like I mentioned above, I don't really find him offering more than most other regular members, and thus don't see why he's a moderator. neotransotaku, BMFG324234whatever, Adamant Same. Trunxy/Dogan Pretty much the same again. Though, I recall him being even spammisch when he jsut got here way back, and then he was suddenly an Anime mod. I can easily name a handful of people at this board that surely own his ass when it comes to Anime knowledge. Heck, a lot of people know a lot about Anime. In Trunxy's case, I have yet to see which makes him better than those other people because he's a mod. Hiryuu Dont' get me wrong in this one. Hiryuu (TJ) is in fact a very good friend of mine and I talk to him a lot over AIM. Though his sudden modship suprised me, and I smell a little hypocritism on this one; after all, a shitload of discussions TJ and I have is pretty much bitching about this board, and now he's suddenly a full mod. Um, okay. Aas for most other full mods, I see they are full mods because they are active on this board, which is good, I guess. Now, for the big fishes... Yiffy Kitten I've never personally had a problem with Yiffy Kitten. But I just don't like him. He's a bad example, he has bad temper and, not to forget, he's a provoking bastard. Yiffy Kitten does a lot of things that normal members would be directly banned for. How many times has Yiffy Kitten flamed members, posted provoking/pesky threads aimed at specific members and in overal just made an ass out of himself? Too many times, period. Acmlm A kickass and very creative programmer, and yes, in a few ways even my inspiration of getting into programming so I became who I am today when it comes to making websites and programming. Acmlm is nice, too nice. Acmlm doesn't dare to open his mouth about anything, and that's costing him his very own board in the end. A board needs a good staff base to keep track of things and to keep things in control. However, to be blunt. even a staff base needs a leader to keep track of them. Staff is not ALWAYS right, and that specific leader is the one to notice and take care of that. I'd hate to have staff members running around at my board, doing whatever the fuck they want, which is happening here. No, there needs to be someone that watches over those staff members, and corrects them if necesary, and that specific person for this board, Acmlm, isn't there. And I have to say, if it's one thing I'd absolutely hate on my own forum, it's losing interrest in it, and I feel very sorry for it for Acmlm. Though, on the other side, I think it's his own fault. Some of his staff beasts have run 'amok', and he wasn't there to lock them back up at times when he should. ErkDog What to say about this guy, to be honest, I hate him. ErkDog always thinks he's right, has VERY bad control of his temper and think he's the center of the universe. ErkDog is what I call reckless, he does things whatever he likes sometimes without even discussing it with other staff, in the end just making an ass out of himself. I peeked on ErkDog's board a few times, and all I have to say is that he acts like a fucking Hitler there, but that's asside of the point. ErkDog was first a local moderator. But for what? He volunteered to host the board's IRC channel some while ago, at a point when he wasn't even a registered board member for long already. OK, he hosts the IRC channel, but why mod him? What does hosting an IRC channel have to do with the board itself, other than the channel is just the board's IRC channel? ErkDog might host the IRC channel, but that does not mean he owns #acmlm, which he pretends to frequently enough if you ask me. And now, the same pretty much happened. Instead, it's the board that he hosts now, and he is made administrator, and again, I say "For what?". ErkDog has run amok with his new admin position, really. In spite of the fact I've been banned for weeks now, I've been watching this board. Erkdog is a Tazmanian devil, whenever he sees someone doing something which is, in his eyes, spam or wrong, he turns into the devouring Tazmanian devil tornado. He loses his temper too quickly and in overal makes an ass out of himself when that happens. Out of all the people on this board, ErkDog has to be one of the, if not most, unqualified to be a good example to other members; he does whatever he likes, and thinks that what he finds wrong, is generally wrong. Subjective things are still subjective. Oh yeah, and he likes Dragonball Z and guns, is it just me or is that a bad combination? With his temper, he's going to shoot someone some of these days, but that's asside of the point. Valcion Known this guy for years now too, and he went backwards. All he seems to be doing nowadays is bitch about things and people, and this very board in general. Valcion, you should know better, if you really dislike it so much here, then just leave, really, it's for your own good. Valcion is far from making a respected administrator which other people can see as an example. Anya Anya as administrator? Why? From what I've seen, she got promoted and praised into heaven, but for what? All I see her doing is posting incredibly much, and to be blunt, I think they're usually lacking quality, a lot. Anya just posts a lot, nothing else, and that is, in my eyes, far from a reason of being an administrator, or a local mod for that matter. Emuz I've always silently hoped a huge bigfoot or truck would crash into Emuz's bathroom while he's jerking off at a picture of Janet Jacksons tit. No, seriously. I hate Emuz. Remember my good old FFLegend story where I was framed? Emuz was part of the frame. Just because he was a friend of Doomgaze and the others that framed me long ago, in spite of the fact that what they were doing was wrong, he backed them up. I was lied to, degraded, flamed and just kicked out in the most fucked up way here by Emuz back then, and ever since then I've had a huge hatred for him. But, that's asside of the point I'm trying to make. Why he's still an administrator, I don't understand. Good, he may have made some features in the very first version of Acmlm's board, but they proved to be faulthy, like the 'Search'-page. I only see Emuz appearing here when he sees a chance in trying to scrape up some money for work which isn't even his anymore, or to get pissed and flame the fuck out of someone. In overal just a horrible administrator, and a person for that amtter, but that's just me. ||Bass Never see him around anymore, and don't care. What still pisses me off most about him are all the "Let's keep Manda at this board!" propagandas, in spite of the fact 9 out of the 10 people hated Manda, and Manda was a cancer to the board. Period. So much for my ranting about the staff. Yeah, it seems I dislike most of the staff members here, but I feel like I've said some things that needed to be said. What is a shame about most of the staff is that they think that, just because they are staff, they are more important people. Well, tough luck dipshits, you are still people, and just because you are staff here does not make you any more impportany. Fine, every active boards needs staff, but no board needs corrupt, 'high and mighty' and/or staff that does things which normal members would seriously be kicked out for. But it's not just the staff that radiates this hostility, a lot of normal members as well. Some people here are just disrespectful, impudent and only seem to be here to insult, make fun of and degrade people. To name a few: Havoks and XKeeper. Ever been to #acmlm? Havoks always knows better, and will always try to insult or degrade you, or at least perform a bit of sarcasm. In spite of the fact I never did anything wrong to him, Havoks treats me like a bag of shit. Not that I care much, but why? Oh yeah, did I mention yet that Havoks, when he was hosting my board years ago, gave away my passwords to PHPMYAdmin and my board control panel to a bunch of people? I hope some of these days, Havoks runs into a person in real life that won't take shit like that as much as I do, either way, Havoks should be glad he lives on the other side of the world, I'd literally kick him straight into the hospital if I'd meet him for all he did to me. Xkeeper is not as worse, but does the same; constantly provoking and pissing people off. Though he seems to have gotten his punishment now, though I like it when he's pissed at ErkDog. Hehehe, I'm such a hypocrite. =) It is the hostile radiation of this board, the behavior of specific members and especially the behavior of some staff that finally mad me decide to pack my bags and leave this board. That's pretty much all I wanted to say, might update it or add something when I think of it or when I remember I forgot something. ~Tuvai (edited by Gradius on 05-13-04 03:16 AM) |
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macks Level: 45 Posts: 190/900 EXP: 659955 For next: 209 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 22 hours |
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| I think we need a total de-staffing, except for Acmlm. He then decides one more admin, they together choose the next person and so on. That way Acmlm has the first say, but the other newly chosen staff can also help decide. And also, much stricter rules. I'm very surprised at what people get away with these days. And wasn't the first thing we said when we moved to Erk's server that he wasn't going to be an admin? |
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Elric Chasupa  Currently Playing: You Like A Lute. Level: 40 Posts: 136/687 EXP: 440016 For next: 1293 Since: 03-15-04 From: Melniboné Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by GradiusI can vouch for BMF54123. He's a part of the original running crew waaay back when we were on ezBoard. It used to be Acmlm, Fissur, Happypeepeehead, BMF54123, ScoutBoy, Warrior Siren, Citizen Bleys/Bastard Son, Phoenix, DarKnight13 (a.k.a. Shroomy), Nameles, Chickencha, Yiffy Kitten, myself, and a handful of others I'm forgetting. And most of those people date back to before ezBoard, to the EmuWorld forums, and ZD's forums, back when Zophar was still around, and ZD was good. So, anyway, BMF54123 and Acmlm have been friends for quite a long time. |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119 Posts: 606/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Gradius Point taken Leroy, and yea I do bitch about the board constantly, just like everyone else bitches about it seems. Most times though, it's because it's the only thing everyone ever does...it's a 'thing' almost. Already explained myself over AIM anyways so, I won't go into it. Thing is...I would -hope- that people would get a clue...even on being appointed full mod...if there's no point to doing it...and I recieve crap over a few months...well...what point would there being staff to begin with? I'd rather be a normal user with the less responsibility, like quite a few other people who used to be staff have done...and I haven't singled out that possibility in the slightest. But at least this way, I can at least attempt to help the situation from what it's at now...there are people here that generally want good from this forum...even from it's current 'hopeless' state...shit, I would be the one to tell you how many times Ace's is doomed...but saying shit about that apparently doesn't work. It's called application...and people/staff getting off their butts and doing something about it. The downhill thing can -easily- continue...that'd be the easy write-off...I mean hell...if this board went under tomorrow...I doubt that I would be personally affected by it a lot as I've been well aware that it's been in the 'Danger' status for a while now; if anything I still have other boards and a handful of intelligent and fun people to talk to on the IM service...but until that point, hypocrisy be damned because you're right about me bitching...but that's in the effect that is what a normal user can do in this case...any normal user cannot fix overall board problems regardless...and has to deal with staff, most times being intimidated and never wanting to come forward to an admin because they fear that if they say something out of line or something that doesn't appeal to an admin or staff...that they'll get banned. Fuck that...I'd rather be honest...and if by some sheer chance I get banned over it...then I wouldn't feel sorry in the least because I was true to myself. I'm honest now because there's hope that we want to tear ourselves out of this 'drama' that we seem to keep talking about but never doing anything about like it's better this way and we want to just coast through this never fixing anything. I would strongly urge Ace have some kind of plan for this, but only, and I do mean -only-, if he wants to. He's the sole person that can swap this from right and wrong...because it is his community...it is his jurisdiction...there isn't a damn thing I can do, even if I was an admin, unless he personally does something about it; gives the staff something to go by or has something he wants to do about this. Basically, I think we would try to encourage Ace so that he can encourage staff to act in a way he sees fit...instead of idly going by and seeing the shit play out, day to day, like a horror story that eventually will close up to it's climax and then abruptly end. That's one of the reasons I wanted to be staff, to avoid that, or in attempt to help the situation veer from that course. An impossibility? Sure...why not...there's nothing I can one-man about it just by being staff...hell I could be some n00b who's never accessed this board before and have about as much power drive to be completely honest...but I would hope to high heaven that myself and the people that I'm on staff with now would be able to do what they can instead of being overly depressed about this. If anything, I'm on for the interest and encouragement trip. If that doesn't work out...or nothing comes of it...then why am I staffed? |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 807/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Angel Hardhat Beetle Level: 37  Posts: 248/573 EXP: 335160 For next: 3093 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 11 hours |
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| Alot of lamers get to run around, who I honestly think should be banned. So yes the board has gone to the shits. | |||
MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 218/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| *looks around* Weren't the lamers you speak of already banned? Otherwise name some names please. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1756/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins He shouldn't list them publically. If anything, he should send it in a PM to an admin. But if he were listing them publically, that would cause not only humiliation for said lamers, but also a lot of fighting. Besides, I know for a fact he'd put me on his lamer list. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1014/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by ElricGod, I was just reading around BP last night, looking at the old shit... WS the spaz, Bleys being lit on fire time and time again, the randomness that was HPPH, Fissur's seriousness and yet pull for humor, Acmlm's CAREFREE/LIGHTHEARTED attitude, my n00bishness and then my "fitting in" I suppose (hey, it was over 4 years ago...). Carrot dick jokes, Phoenix's jokes about Bleys, her convos with Kirby about rolling down hills into fences, and sooo much other shit... What happened to those good old days, man? We were innocent and funny, and spam was like... not a post that said "Hi" but 4 of them in a row by the same member (spam flooding). Leroy: Maybe sometimes I am an ass, but I'm really confused myself as to what to do here. I don't want the idiots here because I still think that's the reason why we don't have Doomgaze, wite, and others here anymore. As for the display case threads, I considered them display case "Material" because they were threads where many people got together and actually HAD FUN without caring about stupid shit. Maybe that's what we need? I don't know. I don't think the "Recent events" - IE: banning of certian users who were undoubtedly stupid - were of harm to the board. I mean, we banned VdibV or whatever his name was (I just called him 754) at BP ages ago because he was a stupid fuck. There's a difference between posting "spam" by the harshest definition, and between posting sheer and utter fuckign STUPIDITY. I mean, in a thread like "I got my new car!" and the first post has a link to a picture, posting something like "u got ne pics?" is just stupid - and that's pretty much what the users we banned did. I want to have fun. Acmlm isn't around, and I'm the most active admin. I'm confused between doing what I think he would want, what I think is right, or what I think is fun. They're 3 very conflicting views, so if I post one, and then another 5 mins later, you might think "What the fuck is wrong with Yiffy Kitten?" But still, please, staff is staff. Erk not only hosts the board, he is the only one other than Acmlm who can edit the board, IP ban, etc. Since Acmlm isn't around, and Erk can do this stuff (and does), I think there's no doubt that he deserves the right to be an admin. |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 269/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Yeah, MathOnNapkins, when people are mentioned, names should fall. It's more than dumb to say something like "one staff member is a moron!111oneon" than to mention the name and mistakes he/she made or the wrong way the person is leading his or her forum. Everyone who has a problem w/ someone from the staff should be able to critisize honestly in a calm way (!), thus no flaming and no direct insult. Or simply drop a PM to an admin you trust, including evidence (e. g. a link to the proper thread) or simply asking the addressed non-liked staff member himself normally. Okay, I'm no staff and I also think we cannot announce something like "Okay, let's demote all staff except most of the admins and put up a new staff!!!", since this also could be seen as a hidden promotion for someone to become an admin (This thread is an exception, since most of the posts were serious ones, but in the past there were threads like that). As for the board: Yes, I'm also more lurking than posting; very often I'm simply annoyed in threads which seem to be like a kind of "image-wars". Someone posts a picture, the next answers something like ("TIS IS TEH W00T!"), an exception might be the videogame-characters in Craziness Domain. On the other hand I also could simply leave the board; but as I know from another board I'm registered for nearly three years on it, that every board has up- and downtimes when there are more interesting and mature users/topics or it is just the opposite. So I hope that is only a short phase which won't last any longer. The new board still is young, many people want to gain their custom titles back, including me (or were simply given them, whyever  ), so I can understand the high posting average partly, but to go like "custom title or posts for whatever price, even if I go spamming !!!!!!!!!!" is simply dumb.This does not apply to everyone, of course, but people like Kario (okay, he's permabanned) abused this in a wrong way. I would suggest to make a temporary more "strict" phase where people abusing too often get banned. If a board with lower rules runs fine, it's good, like about two years ago, in 2002 at least I noticed this after registration here. But if this does not help, then the rules should be used stricter, simply. When the troll/lamer wave stopped, they could be lowered again Although I'm not the most active _posting_ member, I won't leave the board just now. We have to manage that phase somehow together. Throw out the lamers and get a normal level back, that should be the aim in the board imho. |
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Waddler-D Deddorokku Level: 33  Posts: 71/442 EXP: 227132 For next: 2047 Since: 03-15-04 From: Orange Ocean, Popstar Since last post: 168 days Last activity: 123 days |
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| Yeah, that's a good idea. Stricter rules against the trolling stuff, there's nothing more than I hate is flaming is trolling is only worse in my standards. You can still say something without uncovering the melting pot and throwing the contents inside as something faces, whether or not it hurts the victim. Still, it just doesn't promote good well-being. I've done more lurking and posting, and the only way I have been contacting people is through PM's as of late. I just feel that there's not much to say around here, whether it would be enlightening or interesting. Nothing concerns me more than that "Image-wars" though. I don't see the point of it, all it did was made me wonder, "What the hell's going on, why are people posting pictures of just plain randomness?" What made me wonder more was why the thread was still going... Figuring what others said, only just a few, about this fact... I decided not to say anything as it wouldn't really DO anything and considering that everybody was having a blast... Though I certainly agree that a temporary stricter rule system should to be placed on the table... |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 1762/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Waddler-D My only question here would be: why temporary? If you are going to change the rules, why change them for a short time only? We just need to establish some rules for the gray areas in the FAQ. But seriously, if you make stricter rules for only a short time, that just sends a weird message out that the staff changes the rules whenever it's convenient for them. We should have one set of rules established that we should stick by, no? EDIT: why's this unstickied, btw? (edited by Kefka on 05-13-04 09:33 AM) |
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Waddler-D Deddorokku Level: 33 Posts: 72/442 EXP: 227132 For next: 2047 Since: 03-15-04 From: Orange Ocean, Popstar Since last post: 168 days Last activity: 123 days |
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| Kefka: You got a good idea there... I'm not asking for the rules to be changed for more strictness. The rules that are given are just fine right now. I'm just asking that the rules be enforced just a little bit more. I have seen quite a bit of flaming to regular members lately, and from what I have seen, they either got a warning or got off too easily. Though, I'm not saying that anything about the people in the past who did flame should be banned now, but there should be a stricter watch. Though, it's just a suggestion but ideas and criticism can be pointed out without getting pissed off about it. Sometimes, emotions around here seem to run high, but it really shouldn't. It's a message board, not some place to dump your aggravation. |
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