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Apocalypse Red Cheep-cheep Level: 24  Posts: 101/203 EXP: 69055 For next: 9070 Since: 04-11-04 From: Australia Since last post: 482 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I'm just going to put this back on topic. The war in Iraq in my view is a war against the leader Saddam who, last time I knew, was captured and I believe the war should have ended at that. What do they want now? Also Australia shouldnt be in the war because we are only there to support America, all we have recieved from Iraq are threats that if we continue to back America something will happen to us. We get no recognition for our help in the war, most of America had no idea we were helping in the war. |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36  Posts: 336/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| The war should've ended with the capture of Hussein, but it didn't. There are still rebels and insurgents just trying to kill us off. There are many more responsibilities now, such as destroying the rebels, scouring the place for weapons of mass destruction, helping a new government, and then pulling our boys out. I don't like the war, but, so what? It happened, and you really cannot do anything about it. The war was a good action, to get rid of Hussein and look for weapons, but a waste of human lives, the death toll was at 700 the last time I heard... |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 741/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| 700 where? On the U.S. side, or Iraqis? Right now, they are just playing peacekeeper there until a new government can be put in place. tinzeee, you CAN just go in and take the power away from the dictator. That's what we did.  LostAuzzie, a lot of nations are helping the U.S. out. If I remember correctly, I believe Japan and other nations are also sending us aid. In these days, pretty much every nation has threats against it. And if something does happen, i'm sure America will repay them for thier help. I'm sure you'll agree with me that Austraila is not a wuss country. You guys can handle it.  |
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tinzeee Permaban Repeated warnings and bannings about stupidity Level: 38  Posts: 595/618 EXP: 369695 For next: 752 Since: 04-02-04 From: Australia - Sydney Since last post: 553 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Well if it was 700 then it would be soilders from each country. And when i comes to countries death tolls they always exagurate... i am pritty sure that it was less |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 49/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Jarukoth: So if we pull out our troops, we are then a country of wusses? (edited by Arwon on 04-27-04 06:56 AM) |
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tinzeee Permaban Repeated warnings and bannings about stupidity Level: 38 Posts: 597/618 EXP: 369695 For next: 752 Since: 04-02-04 From: Australia - Sydney Since last post: 553 days Last activity: 339 days |
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I would rather pull out soilders and be called wusses then to stay and have the soilders killed  |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 50/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| If our support and friendship is that conditional, that if we don't do exactly as is wanted, we get criticised and berated, labelled cowads and appeasers and, indeed, wusses... what is that support and friendship actually worth? (edited by Arwon on 04-27-04 07:01 AM) |
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tinzeee Permaban Repeated warnings and bannings about stupidity Level: 38 Posts: 598/618 EXP: 369695 For next: 752 Since: 04-02-04 From: Australia - Sydney Since last post: 553 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Well maybe if your after an allie or someone to support you then you would go to war with them... this i am guessing is why australia went to war... to look for some support with america. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 51/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Yes, but if we're that dependant on following the US into a war we have no business in, to curry favour and get support, then what is the "friendship" and "alliance", really? Friends don't berate friends for being cowards and appeasers and wusses. (edited by Arwon on 04-27-04 10:54 AM) (edited by Arwon on 04-27-04 11:00 AM) |
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Jarukoth IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79 Posts: 746/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Arwon Okay, apparently what I said was blown completely out of proportion. What I meant was that every country has threats, and if attacked, Austraila would be strong enough to take it if it happened. That's all. |
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Cthulhu Rex Level: 36 Posts: 340/541 EXP: 302159 For next: 5951 Since: 04-04-04 From: R'lyeh Since last post: 123 days Last activity: 61 days |
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| Yeah, I meant 700 from all Coalition countries. Sucks ass, eh? | |||
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 52/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Jarukoth: Apoligies. Kinda just reacting to the "Spain are cowards and appeasers" vibe I've been getting on other boards, seeing it everywhere now, and relating it to Australia of course... Back on subject... When in doubt, turn to the Onion: Iraqis Arming Selves for Independence |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 756/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahhAs if it hasn't already? I think Legion's point is the way I feel too. Nobody is going to ever agree if it was right or not in our generation, just like nobody in Vietnam's generation could agree if it was right or not. Our generation thinks it was pointless to meddle in someone else's business because of our fear of communism. The next generation will probably think it was pointless to go in and meddle in the affairs of the middle east. We should have never gone into Kuwait to stop Saddam, and we shouldn't side with Isreal. Let them fight their own wars. Why do we need to get involved with civil wars because we think one side is right? Nobody got involved in ours... |
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Clockworkz Birdo  "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64  Posts: 730/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I say, bomb them all and let god sort 'em out. =P | |||
hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 138/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Yiffy KittenOriginally posted by hhallahhAs if it hasn't already? No, it hasn't. |
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Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22  Posts: 32/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| I don't think that in ten years people are going to feel about the war in Iraq the same way that most people feel about the Vietnam War today. Ithink this way because, unlike communist Russia, terrorism will always be a very real threat. | |||
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 762/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahhhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/27/iraq.main/index.htmlOriginally posted by Yiffy KittenNo, it hasn't.Originally posted by hhallahhAs if it hasn't already? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/27/iran.nuclear/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/iraq.bulgaria/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/iraq.italian/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/23/iraq.karbala/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/23/iraq.main/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/21/iraq.main/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html I'd like to know your definition of quagmire... |
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Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22 Posts: 34/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 142/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| 700 people die in a year, that does not a quagmire make. 100 people died in this month! Oh my! Should I quote some Vietnam figures, to get a comparison to a real quagmire? People call it a quagmire at the moment because.. things are relatively bad at the moment, yes. If 20 troops die a month, and then suddenly 100 do, you may be tempted to cry out, "quagmire!" But shouldn't we wait until it actually looks like our objectives are at a serious threat for failing? A quagmire (from "quake" + "mire") is, literally, shaky, miry ground; as a political term used to describe a foreign military campaign in which there is either no forseeable possibility of victory or the objectives are unclearly defined, and at the same time no clear exit strategy has been formulated in the absence of victory. The military campaign is likened to a kind of swamp or marsh in which the warring nation is unable to remove itself. Typically, a quagmire occurs when a major power attempts with little success to subdue a foreign guerrilla insurgency. Often matters of national pride or belief in military invincibility are the cause of the lack of an exit strategy. The classic examples of quagmires were the American involvement in the Vietnam War and the Soviet war in Afghanistan. It is often humorously suggested that the best way to resolve the military impasse associated with a quagmire is to simply "declare victory and go home." ~wikipedia.org While the U.S. strategy (or lack thereof) is sketchy, the thread of some kind of popular uprising that would seriously jeapordize our goals at the moment is pure conjecture. |
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Eyebarb Permabanned for spamming Stupidity a major factor as well Level: 22 Posts: 39/172 EXP: 53204 For next: 5146 Since: 04-25-04 From: Smalltown, USA Since last post: 530 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Well technically it wasn't a quagmire because we successfully removed Saddam. Right? |
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