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Heran_Bago

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Posted on 10-21-05 10:48 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gavin
Originally posted by Heran_Bago
I made a hack of Knuckles Chaotix.
I'm the only fucking person to make a hack of a game for so obscure a system.
I'm one of the only people to touch audio in a GBA game.

Newtrogic High Zone got 0 replies.
Everyone bashed the shit out of Sonic Advance 3: Extreem Manseckz.

But eveyone's really looking forward to that kid's simple graphic hacks.

The state of ROM hacking outside the Sonic hacking community gets incredebly pathetic.



wow, get the fuck over yourself already. fantastic you hacked the music, give yourself a fucking cookie. while I respect the technical prowess, what you turned the game into was a big fat steaming pile of shit. why does it matter that it was "really really hard" for you to turn it into a big steaming pile of shit. it still sucks . Not to mention you took this whole attitude of "everybody worship me becuz I hacked this first", which is ridiculous. Furthermore, I seriously doubt you're the only person to have hacked GBA audio. And for the record, nobody cares about your 8-year old humor and "lolz! he said penis!" or the fact that you intentionally misspell "sex". Another little FYI: leetspeak doesn't make you cool, it just makes you an asshole that everybody laughs at. Even if it's done in an ironic or conedecending manner.

I wouldn't be so angry if you weren't such a whiney, self-important bitch. but you are, so I am. so go fuck yourself.


Congrats! You missed the entire point of the post and rather than adding to the thread, you took away from it.
I never said the content of the hack was good. I never said it was a good hack, or that I was THE only person to make a hack of that calibur. I never said it was really hard to make. I never told everyone to worship me. DId I say someone cared about the humor? No. I didn't.

You, Gavin, are bad at reading; you read things that aren't there. I thought one of the reasons governments make people go to school is to learn how to read. God damn, I hate when people prove me wrong by being idiots.
The thing I will give you credit for is being a whiney, self-important bitch. I definitly am. Take the point of my post, for example, which you failed to read. A lot more detail and new work was put into my hack of Knuckles Chaotix than Transparent Mario. Few people even grasp the 32X-specific MARS color format.
I got 0 compliments. 0 replies.
But with the whole 10 minutes of recoloring put into Transparent Mario, a whole page of joy ensues.

I'm not mad about the ROM hacker in question. I'm not mad about my own hacks. It's the lack of desency in this community. Disch, Sukasa, face it. These are the kind of things that this community values. Real work, innovation, skill, difficulty, don't mean anything any more. That's what ROM editors do for you.


And Gavin, about your last comment, I can't take any insult serious from someone with such a stupid name. Practice your reding comprehension more.
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Posted on 10-21-05 10:59 AM Link | Quote
Whoa, you mean I can play the same old SMB except everything is just colored outlines? Sign me up! I did see the transparent Megaman hack, and just replied for the sake of being nice, but then I noticed the Transparent Mario being stickied. I expected someone with balls like you to step up and confront us with this. Seriously, all his hacks are just graphic hacks. Not even good ones. While all the worthwhile hacks are ignored, this innovative masterpiece of a romhack gets all the praise it deserves for the hard, strenuous work that was put into it.

You're no asshole, Disch. You're just dead honest.
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Posted on 10-21-05 11:06 AM Link | Quote
...so his comments are automatically invalid because... of his name. Uh-huh. Your post still boils down to "I didn't get any comments on my hack, and this pile of shit gets stickied?" Complaining about not getting Intarweb fellatio. Let's go to the tape.

Actually, I would have to agree that it would be very nice to see hacks of this calibur, not content, more often. I have seen only one other GBA hack that touches audio. It's also very rare to see a GBA hack at all. It would make my day to see someone take Sonic Advance 3 and make a completely new level.

Actually, you... ah, didn't say much of ANYTHING in that thread, besides "you guyyyyys, get off my back for this hack's immature humor!" More recent history?

I made a hack of Knuckles Chaotix.
I'm the only fucking person to make a hack of a game for so obscure a system.
I'm one of the only people to touch audio in a GBA game.

Newtrogic High Zone got 0 replies.
Everyone bashed the shit out of Sonic Advance 3: Extreem Manseckz.

But eveyone's really looking forward to that kid's simple graphic hacks.

The state of ROM hacking outside the Sonic hacking community gets incredebly pathetic.


In short: I'm doing all this shit, and no one's appreciating it.

In short(er): WAAAAAAAAH!
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Posted on 10-21-05 11:26 AM Link | Quote
In shortest, LOL NESTICLE LOL
Gavin

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Posted on 10-21-05 12:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Heran_Bago
Originally posted by Gavin
Originally posted by Heran_Bago
I made a hack of Knuckles Chaotix.
I'm the only fucking person to make a hack of a game for so obscure a system.
I'm one of the only people to touch audio in a GBA game.

Newtrogic High Zone got 0 replies.
Everyone bashed the shit out of Sonic Advance 3: Extreem Manseckz.

But eveyone's really looking forward to that kid's simple graphic hacks.

The state of ROM hacking outside the Sonic hacking community gets incredebly pathetic.



wow, get the fuck over yourself already. fantastic you hacked the music, give yourself a fucking cookie. while I respect the technical prowess, what you turned the game into was a big fat steaming pile of shit. why does it matter that it was "really really hard" for you to turn it into a big steaming pile of shit. it still sucks . Not to mention you took this whole attitude of "everybody worship me becuz I hacked this first", which is ridiculous. Furthermore, I seriously doubt you're the only person to have hacked GBA audio. And for the record, nobody cares about your 8-year old humor and "lolz! he said penis!" or the fact that you intentionally misspell "sex". Another little FYI: leetspeak doesn't make you cool, it just makes you an asshole that everybody laughs at. Even if it's done in an ironic or conedecending manner.

I wouldn't be so angry if you weren't such a whiney, self-important bitch. but you are, so I am. so go fuck yourself.


Congrats! You missed the entire point of the post and rather than adding to the thread, you took away from it.
I never said the content of the hack was good. I never said it was a good hack, or that I was THE only person to make a hack of that calibur. I never said it was really hard to make. I never told everyone to worship me. DId I say someone cared about the humor? No. I didn't.


Posting your own invalid experience adds nothing to this thread. This is supposed to be about quality being overlooked, not "mansecks" not getting any replies. I would put your hack in an insant into the "done in 5 minutes fucktarded" column. The great romhacks that I have played have generally taken a year and up to create. So don't cry to me about how long your hack took. Even then, only someone with a serious mental deficit would spend that long of a time on such an asinine hack. Furthermore, you are not the only perseon to make a hack of that calibur. (and that counts for either way you take it: as in one of the biggest wastes of time for a hack, or as in it's apparent "greatness")

Originally posted by Heran_Bago

You, Gavin, are bad at reading; you read things that aren't there. I thought one of the reasons governments make people go to school is to learn how to read. God damn, I hate when people prove me wrong by being idiots.
The thing I will give you credit for is being a whiney, self-important bitch. I definitly am. Take the point of my post, for example, which you failed to read. A lot more detail and new work was put into my hack of Knuckles Chaotix than Transparent Mario. Few people even grasp the 32X-specific MARS color format.
I got 0 compliments. 0 replies.
But with the whole 10 minutes of recoloring put into Transparent Mario, a whole page of joy ensues.


Okay, you obviously fail to understand what I'm saying. So please, read this closely and possibly have an adult help you parse along: nobody responded to your hack, as was pointed out by several intelligent comprending folk at ZMD, because it fucking sucks.

"The whole point of it is that it's stupid. It's SO stupid, that it's laughable.
I guess that was a little high-brow for Zophar's and it's furrious emulator keepers."

You don't understand.. it's not that "nobody gets your humor" it's that the joke isn't funny. So don't come to this board and pretend that you put out a quality piece of work and are the subject of a "bad community". You got flamed for a reason. You honestly seem to think that the extent of the romhacking community's skills can be found on the average thread on this board or the ZD hack archives or something . And as I said, leetspeak and LOL OMG XD!!@!11 aren't funny, not even in an ironic or condescending or "so stupid it's funny" way. It's just retarded unless you're 7 or 8 years old.

Originally posted by Heran_Bago

I'm not mad about the ROM hacker in question. I'm not mad about my own hacks. It's the lack of desency in this community. Disch, Sukasa, face it. These are the kind of things that this community values. Real work, innovation, skill, difficulty, don't mean anything any more. That's what ROM editors do for you.

Originally posted by Heran_Bago

And Gavin, about your last comment, I can't take any insult serious from someone with such a stupid name. Practice your reding comprehension more.





How about you learn to spell "reading" correctly before you chide me about my education level and my ability to comprehend written word . That must make you feel like a total asshole!

And for the record, I totally love my name. Sucks that you don't. Good thing I don't care. You're obviously grasping for straws and have nothing better to say.

(Edit: I just read DrJay's post and read the thread he linked to. In summation: ROFL!! XD)


(edited by Gavin on 10-21-05 03:43 AM)
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Posted on 10-21-05 12:48 PM Link | Quote
Can we drop the whole Heran_Bago thing? he sucks, we know. nobody thinks he doesn't suck except himself. he's a whiny attention whore. and we know. He can't spell, we know that too. Heran Bago, maybe nobody replied to that Chaotix thread because. uh. I don't know, maybe nobody cares. This thread has gone from "Dude, this transparant mario hack is ass." to "Heran Bago, you suck." And while I don't disagree with either points. Shouldn't we be flaming mario?

[edit: I missed a point. "And Gavin, about your last comment, I can't take any insult serious from someone with such a stupid name. Practice your reding comprehension more." Dude, your name is fucking Heran Bago.]


(edited by Setzer on 10-21-05 03:51 AM)
Gavin

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Posted on 10-21-05 01:05 PM Link | Quote
yah, good point. I went into retard mode for a second. I do that every now and then. But to contribute to the main point, Disch is correct. I know I sound like everyone who jumped on top of the "omg you're right this hack sucks" bandwagon or the "I never thought the hack was good!" list, but I was amazed that so many people responded to the thread.

I would also like to quote Vystrix_Nexoth's post because, per usual, he mad an excellent point that I think everyone should make sure to read again.

Originally posted by Vystrix Nexoth
Naturally we'd want to be patient with newbies who are actually trying, but as Disch has pointed out, apparently we're supposed to be nice to every newbie, trying or not. Obviously that's not the best approach. So many beginners want to create a masterpiece before mastering the basics; if you're too impatient and it shows, we more experienced ones can-- and will-- take great pleasure in mocking you. If you learn your lesson from that and start to really try harder to show us that you are not deserving of such mockery, then great, you can look back on it later and laugh. If it triggers a long, melodramatic "Goodbye, cruel hacking scene" thread, then I dare say you wouldn't have been fit even had you not been mocked.

The trouble is, it's hard to tell the difference between someone who's just new and excited to be doing it, and someone who just doesn't have the patience to get the hang of notes, composition, rhythm, etc before composing a symphony.

So don't say "look what I can do", say "how can I make it better?". Then we experienced ones will pull our punches. A bit.
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Posted on 10-21-05 01:11 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Disch
Now that I've started this thread, it seems several people have suddenly come forward and said things in the hacks' threads. I don't know if that's coincidence.... or if you guys just need someone to take that step before you're willing to say something... or what =P

As far as I'm concerned, don't get it wrong... You're not a "leader" or anything, I just happened to agree with you, that's it. I just couldn't be bothered making a new thread for something like that, or even reply to the Mario transparent thread... Else I'd have to do it with most threads here, no offense... But I have better things to do than post negative comments everywhere, so I just keep them for myself.
I also thought I'd show you my support because I expected you to get flamed, so don't get cocky now...
blackhole89

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Posted on 10-21-05 02:17 PM Link | Quote
Just tell me... who the hell stickied that crap?

($10 says it was not a "native" ROM hacking mod. They are getting their fingers into topics they understand nothing of too much lately.)
Ok Impala!

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Posted on 10-21-05 02:59 PM Link | Quote
Ok!

I'll add my 50 cents.

I see many posts here of people that are frustrated about the fact that their thread about their (often great) hacks didn't get much attention while the transparant Mario one did. Although I get where the frustration comes from, I think you should just accept that that's the way how it works. Do ever the best games really win the award for "best game of the year"? In ROM hacking it's no difference.

Some hacks just get on the wave of a hype and get much more attention than other hacks, take Mario Adventure for example or anything else DD releases.

I for myself can't be frustrated at all if the thread about Epic Racers doesn't get much attention (it does get attention though). After all, I'm making this hack with Stifu since I like creating games not to show off to the rest of the world how good I am.

Some of you seem to have an ego problem. Get over it, support the hacks you like, give some advice to make them better. Don't start falling all over somebody who made a transparant hack in few hours but get's lots of praise. His luck. Actually, I for myself liked the looks of that transparant Mario too.

This is just my opinion, feel free to express yours.
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Posted on 10-21-05 05:50 PM Link | Quote
Wait, people here are mad because their hacks don't get as much attention on a message board as other [inferior] hacks? I didn't know we had so many self-important hackers in these parts.
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Posted on 10-21-05 06:03 PM Link | Quote
No.

It's a matter of principles. Few people like over-inflated egos, and you certainly must have one to do a simple, pointless edit (even if it looks good... looks alone don't make up a hack) and go like "Oooh. I'm greeaaat. I don't need your critique. I am an awesome hacker.".
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Posted on 10-21-05 06:20 PM Link | Quote
But was a topic like this really neccesary? The whole setup and message screams pretentiousness to me, even if the complaints are valid.
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Posted on 10-21-05 06:26 PM Link | Quote
"My name is unnecessary drama! Nice to meet you!"

Happy to see most of you buggers are qutie willing to argue over paltry things like this as opposed to oh, I don't know... getting along? We've all got better things to be doing with our time, I'm sure.

Seriously... what the hell HAPPENED. Disch voices an opinion and suddenly everyone goes batshit over that guys tranparent mario hack. It's like he turned on the hate-mode switch without meaning to.

I know I'm not that much better than anyone else but I don't understand you guys sometimes. It boggles the fucking mind that we will all behave this way, or go into this sheep-mentality sort of mode/what have you. (note: I know I come off as a prick here, but these are the best words I can come up with trying to understand this crap).
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Posted on 10-21-05 06:41 PM Link | Quote
That's because he does a 5 minute effort and those people who make a huge effort to make a good hack (I'm looking at impala and stifu) are basically ignored. I can't really see how that is fair. just how is 5-minute-effort > huge-long-effort?
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Posted on 10-21-05 06:44 PM Link | Quote
"That's because he does a 5 minute effort and those people who make a huge effort to make a good hack (I'm looking at impala and stifu) are basically ignored. I can't really see how that is fair. just how is 5-minute-effort > huge-long-effort?"

Yeah, because the quality of the product is completely dependent on how much attention it gets from a singular community. Oh wait, I forgot, the only people who care about that are the attention-whores. Ih that sense, this thread has been more than helpful.
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Posted on 10-21-05 06:51 PM Link | Quote
Newflash: Life isn't fair.

You don't hear me bitching about how little attention my hacks get. It's the nature of the beast, lads. Deal with it. It is very rare that a hack is showered with replies/attention where, whether it deserves it or not.

*taps keyboard wondering what to say*

Well... I just threw sand in my own face and violated what I was admonishing you lot for. Bit-Blade sucks for teh win.
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I seriously think that if you really do put a ton of effort into your hack and you have something extremely fun to play and well put together, it will definitely get noticed. I mean, all the really great hackers around here: BMF, peter_ac, DD, JJ, etc do get enough attention around here, and just because one pretty effortless hack got some attention is nothing to go completely crazy over. I certainly don't think it deserves as much attention as it's getting, but I think the stickyness of the thread might be attracting people to it, and the fact the DD decided to do this might make people trust his judgement.

My final point being...

Great hacks most of the time will get their well deserved attention.

I seriously don't know why a lot of people have enjoyed SMB Transparent, but when something much better comes along it will definitely blow it out of the water.


(edited by Golden Yoshi on 10-21-05 10:14 AM)
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I.......DID..........THOSE...........HACKS..............FOR................FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why can't anyone see that!
Honestly, I suggested peter_ac's hacks should have gotten stickied. I played tons of hacks WAYYYYYYYYYY better then mine but don't blame me if those hacks didn't get stickied.
If you don't like my hacks then fine with me! Don't pay attention to it if you don't like it.
Even I don't know how it got so much attention. Just leave it go!!!!!!!!!!!!! JEEZ!!



(edited by Shane -26- on 10-21-05 11:37 AM)
(edited by Shane -26- on 10-21-05 02:34 PM)
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Posted on 10-22-05 01:12 AM Link | Quote
Well at least he understands the true purpose of ROM hacking. If you think your creation is good, who cares what everyone else says?
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