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Posted on 09-07-05 08:35 AM Link | Quote
A while ago I tried to install Gentoo and didn't have much luck. I didn't manage to get it running, and corrupted my HD in the process, destroying many files. (You would think a program that basically formats a partition would warn you if another partition exists on it, in case you mis-typed, but noooooo. ) So tonight I'm going to back up all my files to a second HD, physically disconnect it so as to prevent any damage to the files, and try installing again. Anyone have any pointers, advice, free money, etc?
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Posted on 09-07-05 08:47 AM Link | Quote
Use Windows.
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Posted on 09-07-05 08:51 AM Link | Quote
I don't really get how you didn't realize there'd be problems with what you were doing.
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Posted on 09-07-05 12:03 PM Link | Quote
What, that I didn't back up last time? I would have, but for one I didn't have enough space on any drive and to use CDs would have cost hundreds (60 GB on 700MB CDs = about 90 discs, and yes, I should get a DVD drive), and for two I wasn't expecting to have to do everything manually. Mandrake had a nice graphical installer, but I just wasn't really pleased with it in general.

Anyway I've backed up everything, but I'm going to postpone the actual installation until I get an ink cartridge so I can print the handbook, which I hope will be tomorrow. Beats having to open the on-disc one every now and then. (I'd print it at the library, but it's 145 pages; that'd cost almost 40 bucks. )
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Posted on 09-07-05 04:29 PM Link | Quote
Any time that you're doing something like installing a new OS, you really should always make a backup of all of your files. If you can't back up to discs, you could back your files up on an Internet server, I think there may be free or at least low cost places that would let you do this.

Well, and about the handbook, why not print it so that it's 2 or 4 pages per print page? I've done this with most things that I print out and it works very well for cutting down ink and paper costs.
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Posted on 09-07-05 06:45 PM Link | Quote
Well I do like to be able to read things I print.
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Posted on 09-07-05 09:28 PM Link | Quote
Hmm... do you have any vision issues? I can read the print just fine.
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Posted on 09-08-05 12:21 AM Link | Quote
It's not always a vision issue, but sometimes about the resolution of the printer Mine's too crappy to do four-on-one, I know that.

By the way, COMMON SENSE. You should have known what partition Windows was on, otherwise you wouldn't have had any trouble.
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Posted on 09-08-05 10:22 AM Link | Quote
Ah, but Common Sense takes +4 damage from Typo.

My printer is far too crappy to do 4-on-1 or even double-sided (since it loves to pick up two sheets at a time, which would throw off the ordering). I printed most of it in plain single-sided mode. Need to buy paper to finish the rest.
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Posted on 09-09-05 06:46 AM Link | Quote
To use Gentoo, you must REALLY know your hardware. For a beginner, I'd start with Ubuntu or Fedora. You might even try Knoppix or Gnoppix.
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Posted on 09-09-05 06:52 AM Link | Quote
Well I bought and put together the whole system myself, so I know it pretty well... Will that do?

Besides, I already printed out the 145-page "handbook". (How big are these peoples' hands? )


(edited by HyperHacker on 09-08-05 09:53 PM)
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Posted on 09-09-05 08:50 PM Link | Quote
Really, if you are a Linux newbie, you should not be using Gentoo. Apparently, it's for hardcore Linux nerds users, so it's not advisable to use when starting out. Like Cornellius said ubuntu, fedora, or even one of those live CDs you can get, would be much easier to learn from.
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Posted on 09-10-05 08:55 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cornellius
To use Gentoo, you must REALLY know your hardware. For a beginner, I'd start with Ubuntu or Fedora. You might even try Knoppix or Gnoppix.

I prefur Kubuntu over Ubuntu, but whatever floats your boat. I use Debian, but a new person should use Kubuntu, SUSE, Linspire, or something like that.
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Posted on 09-15-05 06:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by dan
Really, if you are a Linux newbie, you should not be using Gentoo. Apparently, it's for hardcore Linux nerds users, so it's not advisable to use when starting out. Like Cornellius said ubuntu, fedora, or even one of those live CDs you can get, would be much easier to learn from.


I don't know that it's necessarily "for hardcore Linux users". I use GNOME all the time at school, and I'm relatively new to the whole Linux thing.
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Posted on 09-15-05 09:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Felix
Originally posted by dan
Really, if you are a Linux newbie, you should not be using Gentoo. Apparently, it's for hardcore Linux nerds users, so it's not advisable to use when starting out. Like Cornellius said ubuntu, fedora, or even one of those live CDs you can get, would be much easier to learn from.


I don't know that it's necessarily "for hardcore Linux users". I use GNOME all the time at school, and I'm relatively new to the whole Linux thing.
The thing is at school, someone has set up all the Linux stuff for you, so all you have to do is login and use the semester. dan is referring more to setup and maintence of the OS, which is complicated depending on which Linux flavor that is used.
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Posted on 09-16-05 03:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by dan
Really, if you are a Linux newbie, you should not be using Gentoo. Apparently, it's for hardcore Linux nerds users, so it's not advisable to use when starting out. Like Cornellius said ubuntu, fedora, or even one of those live CDs you can get, would be much easier to learn from.
I would say to try Slackware if you want something good, it's not as easy to install as Fedora core or Red hat but it's not as insane as Gentoo is. I didn't find Slackware hard to install, but then i'm not a Linux newbie either... I know how to use the Linux CLI pretty well.

Althought I yet have to try Ubuntu or Gentoo.


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Posted on 09-18-05 12:48 AM Link | Quote
I guess I'm in a similar situation as you are. I started using Mandriva yesterday, after having tried to install/get into a few others before to see which one I preferred. I found Mandriva installed easily, and in the end, I thought "sod it" and went for this one again.

Gentoo, whilst I could install it, I couldn't seem to get GRUB working or something. It took absolutely bloody ages, and I couldn't connect it to the internet during, making it ridiculous. I gave up.

Ubuntu was too easy, on the other hand. Everything worked, and it was just odd. I didn't like it. SuSE refused to install on my SATA, so I gave up on it. I think I didn't do something I needed to there, but it just didn't detect it.

Erm, what else...? I tried a few others, but can't even remember their names. I think everyone finds different distros to their liking, but I think it's certainly worth trying out a few before you start using one for anything, so you get a bit of experience.

I'm running it dual-boot with Windows, and as soon as I get wireless running, I'll be moving into my own computer full time, and not have to use my mum's. yay.

Hyperhacker, I would suggest Mandriva, as it seems so easy to install, graphically, and without typing errors causing nastiness. I feel it feels different enough to Windows to make you feel like it's a change, and different, and like it's a bit of a challenge, but it's not so hard that you give up before you've even started. I found Ubuntu was just a windows clone, and I wasn't learning anything, but anyway.

One thing I will say, make sure you have an internet connection set up on the computer. It makes things so much easier to install, simply using the package manager of the distro, rather than downloading on another computer or on Windows, copying it over, working out how to ungzip, untarball, install it...
*isn't struggling to install a media player >.>;;*

gzip -dv file
tar -xvf file

is what I've used, by the way.
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Posted on 09-19-05 09:37 AM Link | Quote
Is Mandriva anything like Mandrake? I tried that but didn't really like it.
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Posted on 09-21-05 12:55 AM Link | Quote
Mandriva is the most version of Mandrake. I think there was a merger or something.
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Posted on 09-21-05 02:36 AM Link | Quote
Ah, well I might try it again. Though it's a big download, and I generally use up all my bandwidth downloading animé.
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