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Tzepish Level: 6  Posts: 6/24 EXP: 857 For next: 50 Since: 09-10-05 From: Bothell, WA Since last post: 23 days Last activity: 5 hours |
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| As for the cooperation debate, since I feel I should probably toss my two coins in, obviously a game will be better if a team of people work together on it, each contributing their expertise and ideas. Obviously it can be very difficult to get a team like that, especially in the chaos of this "internet" thing. Great hacks have been produced both ways. The original poster, though, meant cooperation in the sharing of knowledge and resources. Hacking documents and tools are wonderful things. What I'd like to see less of (and I'm sure the OP agrees), is this: newhacker: hi, i'm new to hacking. what's a table file? l33th4x0r: It's your mother. Don't expect any help from us if you don't even know what a table file is. I can understand the frustration in answering the same questions over and over again, but that's what newbie guides are for - for us to link newbies to. |
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blackhole89 LOLSEALS Moderator of ROM hacking EmuNET IRC network admin Head GM of TwilightRO Level: 47  Posts: 910/971 EXP: 739208 For next: 26995 Since: 03-15-04 From: Dresden/Germany Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Problem is that 90% of the "how do I do this and that" threads could have been obviously easily answered if the person in question had read the stickies before. People who are plain too dumb/selfish to do so don't deserve our attention and time. (Now didn't that sound elitist?  ) |
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Tzepish Level: 6 Posts: 7/24 EXP: 857 For next: 50 Since: 09-10-05 From: Bothell, WA Since last post: 23 days Last activity: 5 hours |
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Well, it may have also been a simple mistake of the newbie's part. It takes just as much effort to refer a newbie to a newbie guide and warn them to read the stickies next time than it does to berate them. I'll admit, though, that berating them can be more humorous. |
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TheGreatWhiteDope Koopa Banned Level: 16  Posts: 68/108 EXP: 19462 For next: 794 Since: 01-05-05 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 4 days |
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Originally posted by KasperOriginally posted by AP *My world IS done* I was waiting for Shadic and you'd be surprised how much work I can do with my Acmlm Board....  |
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Kasper Koopa Level: 17  Posts: 107/108 EXP: 21219 For next: 3524 Since: 11-10-04 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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Originally posted by TheGreatWhiteDopeOriginally posted by KasperOriginally posted by AP Oh, so you DID finish your world. The last post on that thread was 09-11-05 06:19 PM as of me writing this post, I thought there would be more up to date progress in that thread, oh well  And fancy mods doesn't attract me to an Acmlmboard, it is the content.  |
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AP Panser Level: 22  Posts: 263/333 EXP: 56817 For next: 1533 Since: 08-07-05 Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by KasperOriginally posted by TheGreatWhiteDopeOriginally posted by KasperOriginally posted by AP It's called "silent progress", according to the secret thread at his board that talks about the progress of the SMB hack. (edited by AP on 09-18-05 04:49 PM) |
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DarkPhoenix Octorok Level: 9 Posts: 25/31 EXP: 2669 For next: 493 Since: 03-08-05 Since last post: 23 days Last activity: 16 hours |
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| So, complaints about newbies, complaints about poor quality hacks, complaints about not enough collaboration, complaints about not enough questions answered as well as they could be. Let's start smaller, and perhaps be a little less antagonistic. Another way of looking at all of the relevant aforementioned issues is to find a better way to compile and present the information that we have to offer, that we do wish to share. Maybe rather than trying to encourage group hacks (which isn't to imply that it is or isn't a good idea), we should focus on making it so that any hack, group or individual, can spend less time reinventing the wheel. Wasn't that one purpose of this board in the first place? Is it doing its job? Maybe we need something with a different structure than a forum, in addition to the forum, at least for sharing and compiling information that we are sure of, such as offsets, fixes, or even techniques. A forum pushes old threads to the back, leaving useful information buried in history. Let's keep in mind that a large part of rom hacking, however you define it, is research, in some sense or another. Let's not leave the research that we are willing to share scattered across the internet, or lost in the depths of forums. If we can at least collect the information we have and make it easy to browse through, even if it's not too organized, it will at least provide a better place to point already answered questions. It would provide a more permanent place for useful information than stickies. Maybe not everyone will contribute, but some will, and that's better than nothing. Just a suggestion. On a similar note, maybe to help the newbies, as well as protect our own sanity, we need something greater and separate for them than what we already have. Maybe we at least need a Newbie Board, rather than a few passing newbie threads, or perhaps something even more structured. If it's a board, it would at least keep the newbie questions separate, and provide for less verbal abuse, as only those interested in answering would have to look at them. If not a board, then something like what I mentioned above, where we can directly contribute like we can in this forum, but without losing it in the depths of the board over time. Good games will come out of creating less work for the individual, and allowing the focus to be shifted to content. How do we do this? It's the same question that the programming industry, and in particular, the game industry is facing. Things like the eXtreme Programming methodology and Eclipse.org have come out of this. For us, we have group hacks and we have specialized editors to help us with simple tasks. Not everyone is fond of these solutions. Rather than beat eachother up over them, why don't we come up with some other approaches. I say we find a way to make the information we have more accessable, as we're essentially sharing the same code, be it already compiled. Does anyone else have any ideas? |
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Bit-Blade Pixel Artist Level: 34  Posts: 405/445 EXP: 229264 For next: 24387 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I think you're shooting a little broad there, buddy. I wasn't addressing the complete list of "what's wrong with romhacking today". This is just a singular issue I have. This one forum may be one of the biggest romhacking communities around, but it is hardly the only one, nor has this forums purpose ever been to gather and organize relevant romhacking information. It's just a place to showcase hacks, ask questions, and bring up discussions concerning the subject. Oh yes, one more thing. Tzepish, if you're going to talk about me please call me by name. It feels a little... dehumanizing to refer to me as the Original Poster. As if I were just some nameless statistic. (edited by Bit-Blade on 09-20-05 03:02 AM) (edited by Bit-Blade on 09-20-05 03:06 AM) |
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Tzepish Level: 6 Posts: 8/24 EXP: 857 For next: 50 Since: 09-10-05 From: Bothell, WA Since last post: 23 days Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Sorry about that, Bit-Blade, I didn't mean it to sound that way. I'm used to other boards using the term "OP" or "Original Poster", so it was simply habit. |
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