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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 433/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I'm surprised that no-one has had anything to say on Hurricane Katrina at all on this board. Right now, New Orleans is marked in the bullseye for this strong Category 4 hurricane. There is a nightmare worst-case scenario out, because of New Orleans being below sea level. If a very powerful hurricane hits New Orleans head-on or just to the west, the city could be turned into a poisonous lake, with dangerous creatures stuck floating in the water (such as fire ants that clump into balls in-water unclumping onto and stinging anything they touch--including humans) and poison being present because it would leak from the factories, cars, etc. in the city. Here is the National Hurricane Service page on Hurricane Katrina: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/060711.shtml?5day With 90 degree SST's and precious little shear ahead of it, Katrina could be a monstrous Category 5 when it makes landfall. It's sustained winds right now at 145 mph (about 232 kph). (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:35 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:35 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:40 AM) |
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Snika Boo Level: 44  Posts: 491/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Oh no! Save the Mardi Gras beads! Stalk up on Cajun food and other sterotypes! Evacuate to France! Edit: I looked and saw that this thread was a serious one. I really hope that everyone is ok. (edited by Snika on 08-28-05 02:43 AM) |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 434/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Snika The threat is real and serious: http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/hurricane1.html "Basically, the part of New Orleans that most Americans--most people around the world--think is New Orleans, would disappear." Here's another article: http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-10-15/commentary.html And another: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BJK/is_15_11/ai_68642805 And from Louisiana State University: http://hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/april21_advocate.htm (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:44 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:45 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:45 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:47 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:48 AM) |
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Snika Boo Level: 44 Posts: 492/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| It would just go underwater? Would any other states be effected? Wait... Your in Cordova though. (edited by Snika on 08-28-05 02:49 AM) |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 435/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Snika It would be underwater, yes, and no, not really, none of the other states would go underwater. Of course they'd affected by the high winds and heavy rains of the storm. |
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Snika Boo Level: 44 Posts: 493/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| That must suck! Isn't there anything we can do? | |||
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 436/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Snika Not really, except try to evacuate. We can't control the weather yet (and whether that would be desirable is another matter). Unfortunately, people have been too lax in evacuating thus far; now it's sorta too late to evacuate the whole city. One could only hope that Katrina wobbles to the east on her way there (or somehow weaken--though except for eyewall replacement cycles, which don't last long enough and never permanently cripple the storms and actually can help to strengthen them after they're done, this doesn't seem very likely at all), because if she makes landfall east of New Orleans, the city would not be affected nearly as much by storm surge.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewall_replacement_cycle (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:54 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:55 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 02:55 AM) |
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Snika Boo Level: 44 Posts: 494/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| I'll alert the president! | |||
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 437/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Snika Well, he's already declared a state of emergency for the state: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/12494800.htm |
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Snika Boo Level: 44 Posts: 495/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Oh, thats a good thing that the president declared a state of emergency. It cracks me up that he was vacationing when he got the memo. |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 438/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Snika Well, I'm just not sure what the difference would be if he declared it now or declared after the storm hit, except to prepeare the rescuers. Some estimates of the death toll I've seen run into the thousands.... (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 03:06 AM) |
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Snika Boo Level: 44 Posts: 496/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Well, if I lived in New Orleans, I'd try my best to get the hell out of there. I bet you that airports and highways are backed up though from evacuators. |
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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 2005/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Dear lord back and forth pointless posting. Anyway, yeah that looks.. like a bad situation for New Orleans.  I can't imagine it "sinking" but who knows, I'm no expert with hurricanes. |
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Bella Ludwig Von Koopa You're Gonna Love Me Level: 76  Posts: 1976/2962 EXP: 3891483 For next: 114577 Since: 03-29-04 From: Groovy Way Since last post: 8 min. Last activity: 6 min. |
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New Orleans sinking?  doesn't seem very likelyI didn't even know there was a hurricane heading there until this morning since I haven't really checked the news when I log on. |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 439/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Bella It is quite unbelievable, isn't it? Nevertheless, there is scientific justification for it being likely. First, the swamps that normally would protect New Orleans from storm surges are being largely cleared away, making New Orleans more vulnerable. New Orleans is below sea level surrounded by three bodies of water: Lake Pontchartrain, the Mississippi River, and the Gulf of Mexico. Now, from what I understand, there are concerete walls place on these bodies of water to protect them from overflowing. Nevertheless, a poweful hurricane could put this arrangement under stress; if it hits New Orleans head-on or just to the west, then the onshore winds could cause storm surges of greater than 10 feet to spill over those walls. The strong winds could also cause damage to the walls allowing water to come pouring out undaunted and into the city. Heavy rains (and Katrina is moving somewhat slowly) could also cause the water to overflow. New Orleans could end up being underneath more than 20 feet of water, which I would define as being sunk. Please read the articles I posted for a better description of the possible situation. Of course, there are factors the scientists may be missing, and hopefully Katrina veers to the east where there wouldn't be onshore winds but offshore ones (reducing the storm surges to virtually 0). I personally hope that either or both of these factors are true, because that would save thousands of lives. EDIT: Here's an article on storm surge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_surge EDIT 2: Here's a link to a map describing what could happen in New Orleans: http://www5.wright-weather.com/bb/attachment.php?s=&postid=452136 Since it's a big picture, I linked to it instead of displaying it here. (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 04:30 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 04:33 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 04:44 AM) (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 05:08 AM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 11247/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Oops...I guess. It really doesn´t sound good. I hope it returns to the open sea before it hits land. Sinking? No, we don´t need another Atlantis. Good luck, I guess. |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 442/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Maximum sustained winds with Hurricane Katrina are now 175 mph (about 280 km/h)! I think only Camille (1969) was ever stronger than this in the Atlantic. This thing is essentially a big F3 tornado! 000 WTNT32 KNHC 281443 TCPAT2 BULLETIN HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER 23 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 10 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005 ...POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC HURRICANE KATRINA...EVEN STRONGER...HEADED FOR THE NORTHERN GULF COAST... A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST FROM MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA EASTWARD TO THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER...INCLUDING THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN. A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING AND A HURRICANE WATCH ARE IN EFFECT FROM EAST OF THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER TO DESTIN FLORIDA...AND FROM WEST OF MORGAN CITY TO INTRACOASTAL CITY LOUISIANA. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS ALSO IN EFFECT FROM DESTIN FLORIDA EASTWARD TO INDIAN PASS FLORIDA...AND FROM INTRACOASTAL CITY LOUISIANA WESTWARD TO CAMERON LOUISIANA. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE. AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KATRINA WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 26.0 NORTH... LONGITUDE 88.1 WEST OR ABOUT 225 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. KATRINA IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 12 MPH...AND A TURN TOWARD THE NORTHWEST AND NORTH-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS. REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 175 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. KATRINA IS A POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. SOME FLUCTUATIONS IN STRENGTH ARE LIKELY DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 105 MILES FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 205 MILES. THE AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE RECENTLY MEASURED A MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 907 MB...26.78 INCHES. COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 18 TO 22 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...LOCALLY AS HIGH AS 28 FEET ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR AND TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE CENTER MAKES LANDFALL. RAINFALL TOTALS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 15 INCHES...ARE POSSIBLE ALONG THE PATH OF KATRINA ACROSS THE GULF COAST AND THE TENNESSEE VALLEY. RAINFALL TOTALS OF 4 TO 8 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES REGION TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. ISOLATED TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE BEGINNING THIS EVENING OVER SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF LOUISIANA...MISSISSIPPI...AND ALABAMA...AND OVER THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE. REPEATING THE 10 AM CDT POSITION...26.0 N... 88.1 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 12 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS... 175 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 907 MB. AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT 1 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 4 PM CDT. FORECASTER PASCH $$ (edited by beneficii on 08-28-05 10:58 AM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 11255/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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One hell of a hurricane.  I know that people will get hurt and I hope that doesn´t includes members of this board.  |
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Zweih Level: 7  Posts: 10/24 EXP: 959 For next: 489 Since: 08-27-05 Since last post: 9 days Last activity: 8 days |
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| Woah. This thing is immensly strong. I suspect more the roofs ripped off in this hurricane. A giant F3 tornado seems pretty acurate at this point. I hope the people of New Orleans make it out in time. | |||
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Danielle Local Moderator Level: 76 Posts: 2008/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I have heard that even with dozens of feet of water flooding the city, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to pump it out as soon as the hurricane is out of there. So while it may be underwater for a good amount of time, it should by no means be as permanent as saying "New Orleans would disappear." However, the dangers previously listed with having a city flooded like a lake are very realistic... just hope for the best. |
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