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What is your view about ROM Hacking?| I just need an honest opinion on how do you feel about the state that ROM Hacking is in. | Yeah Googie, ROM Hacking is dead. |
4.9%, 2 votes | Yeah Goog, the scene is dying. |
7.3%, 3 votes | Nah, ROM Hacking is in a slow state right now Googie, So don't worry. |
48.8%, 20 votes | Your crazy Googie, ROM Hacking'll never die! |
7.3%, 3 votes | You need an ice cold Heineken right now Googie. |
14.6%, 6 votes | I can't belive it's not butter! |
17.1%, 7 votes | Multi-voting is disabled.
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Googie Surarok Level: 39  Posts: 489/624 EXP: 380784 For next: 23987 Since: 03-15-04 From: Corona Queens New York Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I've been talking to people on AIM lately on this topic, an the majority of people say that ROM hacking is dead. Well, let the debate begin... |
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AP Panser Level: 22  Posts: 9/333 EXP: 56817 For next: 1533 Since: 08-07-05 Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I chose the "don't worry Googie" option. I don't think ROM hacking will die very soon. Maybe in 10 years or so. There are still many hacks made nowadays. Edit: I don't even think ROM hacking itself is dying right now. (edited by AP on 08-10-05 09:15 PM) |
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Setzer Popo Level: 36  Posts: 395/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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| Rom hacking isn't dying. But I can't believe it's not butter was too good an option to pass up. I seriously can't believe thats not butter. it's so butter-like. I used to think it was butter. Then I found out it wasn't. Totally caught me off guard. | |||
fabio Chuck Level: 45  Posts: 639/1479 EXP: 629903 For next: 30261 Since: 07-02-05 From: Somewhere in Texas Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I choose "don't worry Googie" because why are people still signing up here? That's because of rom hacking and everyone who signs up probably is wanting to hack a rom or at least learn or something like that. If rom hacking was dead, wel this board would be pretty much be dead. | |||
Chris Boo Level: 46  Posts: 712/922 EXP: 663200 For next: 48574 Since: 04-20-04 Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by fabioUh... You're wrong...  People don't sign up here just for rom hacking. And no, this board woulden't be dead if there wasn't a such thing either. People sign up because of how interesting this place looks (and any other reasons there may be.) He/she would like to have an chance at having fun posting around here as others like you and me do.(edited by Chris on 08-10-05 09:29 PM) |
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DukeNukem007 Shyguy Level: 13 Posts: 51/90 EXP: 9247 For next: 1020 Since: 07-08-05 From: Quahog, RI Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Nonsense... 10+ years sounds about right. There are still many graphics and especially translation hacks left to be done... |
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BGNG Snifit Level: 22  Posts: 227/276 EXP: 56579 For next: 1771 Since: 06-03-05 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Not to mention that games are still being made..... | |||
Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 516/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| Apparenly you guys must not be noticing that this forum alone gets like 20 posts a day. That's not counting the SMW forum and other web forums on other sites on the subject. Like 3 of the top 10 topics in this forum are hack releases. If that's what you call a slow period, you have unreasonable expectations. It seems like there's a post on here about a new hack in progress and a new hack release at least once a week. Considering the length of time it takes to make a hack, that's damn good. EDIT: I mean serously -- did you guys somehow miss this thread?  (edited by Disch on 08-10-05 09:59 PM) |
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AP Panser Level: 22 Posts: 10/333 EXP: 56817 For next: 1533 Since: 08-07-05 Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Disch Actually, I agree. ROM hacking isn't really slow right now. I just chose the don't worry (slow pace) option because I was thinking that was the one most close to my opinion. Googie, the people you talked on AIM probably don't visit this forum a lot to notice that ROM hacking is still active. I think ROM hacking won't die in a long time. Interesting discussion to put up, though. |
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Heian-794 Red Super Koopa Level: 44 Posts: 837/896 EXP: 611014 For next: 271 Since: 06-01-04 From: Kyoto, Japan Since last post: 21 days Last activity: 10 days |
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| I haven't been involved in ROM hacking for all that long, but with things like Temporal Flux and DahrkDaiz' productions coming out all the time, the hacking scene looks better than ever. Maybe the difference is that our expectations are now so high. Years ago, people would have gotten a kick out of something like Mario having a yellow propeller beanie on his head. These days you need more to impress people. |
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Ice Ranger Leever Level: 23  Posts: 182/183 EXP: 60462 For next: 7261 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 82 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| The expectations are higher now. Wheelchair, Nude, Bald, Starwars Mario Bros. 1 hacks don't cut it anymore. ASM hacks becoming extremely noticable (especially Mario Adventure) caused a new wave for hacks to be released slower to include such hacks (it took time to learn ASM for NES and SNES so that's another reason for the slow down). I'm still learning ASM even. SNES ASM hacks are being developed now. If anything, eventually, rom hacking will stop. Enough information about coding will be found out to reverse engineer games (much like Zelda Classic... or even better) and that will be the new way to "edit" games. Heh, but that's a long, long way off. Rom hacking will be around for quite awhile before anything like that ever happens. Even palette (I guess header might be a better term) are fun to play in my opinion. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 2117/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| The one thing that truly bothers me is that that is going to be an eventual breakdown of actual hardware. It will happen inevitably. No matter how good our emulators get the console will feel "righter" and better. I want to be able to play hacks on consoles, and they wear out with time. It would be nice if Nintendo started releasing old hardware again, perhaps in an updated casing or whatever. I heard Revolution might have emulation for older system, and the emulation should be near perfect, considering they designed the systems, and yet I feel something would be missing. My Snes is starting to die, like the NES did a few years ago. Ebay can supply me with a new one.. but for how long? |
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Dragonsbrethren Octorok Level: 10 Posts: 30/31 EXP: 4111 For next: 303 Since: 04-14-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 82 days Last activity: 82 days |
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| Whoops, I selected it was dead... Anyway, it won't die anytime soon, it's the same as how people still modify old PC games, people will always like these games and want to remake them in their own image. |
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Ok Impala! Buzzy Beetle Level: 31 Posts: 364/383 EXP: 183070 For next: 2293 Since: 03-16-04 From: The Netherlands Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 23 hours |
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| Ok! I believe it's more active than it has been in a long time. Take a look at all those Zelda - A Link to the Past hacks, Chrono Trigger hacks, Super Metroid Hacks, Super Mario Bros. 3 hacks, my own Super Mario Kart hack...should I continue?  |
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fabio Chuck Level: 45 Posts: 647/1479 EXP: 629903 For next: 30261 Since: 07-02-05 From: Somewhere in Texas Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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Originally posted by Ok Impala! Don't forget the Super Mario hacks. There's a bunch of those hacks somewhere in the forum. |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 518/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins I sincerely doubt they'll get anywhere near the level of accuracy in modern NES emulators. From their past examples, Nintendo seems to slap together emulators which are just accurate enough to their target game(s) running. |
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BGNG Snifit Level: 22 Posts: 229/276 EXP: 56579 For next: 1771 Since: 06-03-05 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| As far as ROM hacking is concerned, though, I'm on the same page as Ice Ranger: Wimpy graphics hacks aren't really making the cut these days. I took it upon myself to crack an undocumented compression algorithm in order to make a level editor for a game. The algorithm was MIO0; the game was F-Zero X, which is for Nintendo 64. Why are there so few hacks for N64 games? Is MIPS R4300i Assembly too hard to grasp? Probably... But here's the real reason: You can't hack an N64 game with a sprite editor. Tile Molester can't turn Mario into Homestar Runner. The evolution from rasters to vectors has left the generic hacking scene in the wake of technology and is pushing it to become a thing of the past. Verticies and compression are making it harder to make modifications for games. In short, only those who have significant experience in the field and know what they're doing have much of a chance for hacking newer games. In fact, it's like the hacking scene is resetting itself. I remember a time where it took a "crew" of hackers to remove the "Omigosh this is an illegal copy!" notice from Earthbound Zero. And that was, what, only seven years ago? Well, the same kind of thing is happening again. It takes a loser like me to crack MIO0, and now Super Mario 64 is being smashed to tiny little pieces by everyone and his uncle. Except only VL-Tone is supplying 3D renderings of his findings; the rest are in emulators. So that all boils down to VL-Tone and his 3D programming and The Crimson Chin with his MIO0 codec. So in all of this forum, there are two people substantially contributing to the N64 scene; while others are contributing to the Super Mario 64 movement. To conclude: ROM hacking is NOT in any danger of dying. However, people who are making no headway in the newer games will just kinda bubble down to the bottom of the ladder where they'll release a Super Mario Bros. hack a few days after a Revolution emulator comes out. (edited by BGNG on 08-11-05 11:42 AM) |
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Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55  Posts: 1268/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Without heaving read any of this thread: I don't think Romhacking is going to 'die' very soon. Look at all the new hacks coming out, and now we're even into N64 hacking and such. I mean, take a look at these pages for a sec. | |||
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BGNG Snifit Level: 22 Posts: 230/276 EXP: 56579 For next: 1771 Since: 06-03-05 Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| That was pretty funny. (-: | |||
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Draconis Kenjishiya Shyguy Level: 16  Posts: 54/83 EXP: 18137 For next: 2119 Since: 04-06-04 From: That place where the stuff happens Since last post: 10 days Last activity: 69 days |
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| Romhacking? Dead? Unlikely. I still find it as interesting as I did in 2001. Especially since back then, all I could do was SMW, and now I've got Yoshi's Island and Super Metroid, easily two of my most favorite games that I've deisnged levels for on paper during my wee child days, to mess around with. We've got a long way to go before people say, "Romhacking? ...mmeh..." |
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