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Which is more believable Science or Religion?| It's a simple question, Which should we be believing in most Science or Religion? Which is more believable? | Science |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 372/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Um, excuse me but how exactly does science "bomb" the church? Every thing that science has thrown at it has been easily disprooven. The bible has never been prooven wrong in ANY matter. I'm thinking that the info you've gotten has just been more atheist propaganda and misnomers. | |||
Steak Zora Level: 35  Posts: 291/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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Originally posted by Definitely NOT Legion Specifically, science is based off of skepticism...somebody makes a claim, a good scientist (given the time to conduct experiments) will attempt to find a counterexample or something to discredit said claim. That failing, the scientific community accepts it as a whole. It's the whole going in, and wanting to figure out what the hey happens with blah, conduct experiments about blah, and then drawing conclusions from the results of many controlled experiments...not going in with a conclusion, and trying to make the evidence fit. |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 110/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by geeogree It looks like you're confusing the common use of the word "theory" with its scientific definition. In the common vernacular, a theory is a hypothesis or a guess. In science, it is a model that explains observations and can be used to make reliable predictions. For example, atomic theory tells us how the structure of atoms affects their chemical properties. Heliocentric theory, which describes the motion of the earth around the sun, is the ultimate basis for the calculations and models used to determine future sunrise and sunset times for a given day and location. Theories can never be absolutely proven in a philosophical sense, but neither can anything else arrived at by inductive reasoning (i.e. collecting data and forming a conclusion based on said data). However, inductive conclusions can prove their own reliability over time and be considered to provide an accurate representation of various behavior. For instance, the earth could mysteriously stop in its tracks one day and throw heliocentric theory out the window. We can't gaze into the future, so we can never know for sure that this will never happen. However, we can see that the predicted sunrise and sunset times match up well with the actual observed times, which indicates that heliocentric theory provides a sound and reliable model. |
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Banedon Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 55 Posts: 406/1408 EXP: 1291380 For next: 22809 Since: 03-15-04 From: Michigan Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 90 days |
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| Science, because it is based on actual observations, while religion is just made up. | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 373/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Banedon Observations?  Keep in mind that a few hundred years ago, we KNEW that the Earth was flat. For all I care, science is made up. |
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Steak Zora Level: 35 Posts: 293/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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Originally posted by Definitely NOT LegionOriginally posted by Banedon Mind you, you're talking about the best observations people had at the time. Then people starting sailing long, long distances...and noted how the land slipped *below* the horizon, not endlessly getting smaller. |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 360/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Mind you that one point in time, science and religion taught the same things. Mind you that at one time, science was considered propostorus. Mind you that at one time (and some-what now, too), religion was considered propostorus. They both co-exist, in my eye. |
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Steak Zora Level: 35 Posts: 294/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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| Co-existing? Not really. The Greek of classical-age Athens felt threatened by natural science, as it lead to the possibility that the gods did not exist or had effectively no influence. The view of Socrates in Aristophanes' play The Clouds, as being a man who promoted natural science, was one of the key points that lead up to the execution of Socrates. If Socrates and classical Athens could have one without the other, then they do not need the other to exist. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 374/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| "Mind you, you're talking about the best observations people had at the time." Yeah, and who's to say that doesn't apply now? Are you saying that scientifically speaking, we've peaked? I'm sure there are TONS of things that we have proven today that will be disproven in the future and people will look back at us and laugh at our stupidity. |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 427/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Silvershield Well put. I would also like to reinterate, as others have said, that Religion has countered every stance against it. As technology advances, if anything, it is proving the Christian idea of Creation instead of disproving it. The latest research about how planets form is remarkably similar to how it is depicted in the bible. Don't believe me? Read a book called "The Genesis Question" by Dr. Hugh Ross. Ross is a scientist who set out to disprove the "Genesis Theory" (aka the Christian idea of Creation), and couldn't. It should prove very interesting. (edited by Jarukoth on 04-11-04 05:55 PM) |
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Steak Zora Level: 35 Posts: 295/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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| I never implied we've peaked. Personally, I'd be surprised if we have. As far as a flat earth is concerned, there are still people today who insist the earth is flat, as described in Genesis. The original question is "which is more believable." Now, since you don't agree with me that science is the more believable, do you care to explain whether you say they are equal, or if religion is more believable...and why? |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 64/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Definitely NOT Legion Pi = 3? Earth has 4 corners? Hm. (edited by hhallahh on 04-11-04 05:57 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 375/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by hhallahhOriginally posted by Definitely NOT Legion This is what I'm talking about. Do a simple google search, and you'll find your answers to that. That's the problem with people who try to dispute religion. They only listen to what they want to hear, and don't even attempt to do research that would counter their ideas. EVERY single question that people ask about religion has a clear cut answer. It's a shame that people don't want answers, they just want to ask questions. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 402/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| both, at a fundamental level, are the same... the things science uses to explain things aren't tangible (i.e. when object A runs into object B and moves it, a force was appied from A to B), just like some religions saying there is an individual that governs everything... in the end, science is more believable because in the sense that the explanations it gives do not seem subjective, or influenced in any way... |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 65/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I did a google search, but I found multiple answers: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/494.asp http://www.yfiles.com/pi.html http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/pi.htm Please tell me the correct one, O Holy Man. I mean, only one right answer, right? And everyone who doesn't have it... is going to hell! And, well.. there weren't any really good answers to the flat earth bible thing. I liked this, though: http://www.nzarh.org.nz/atheist/articles/scibib.htm Originally posted by Jarukoth |
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Steak Zora Level: 35 Posts: 298/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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 Or, if you'd like, go ask "Dr. Dino" about these things, if you'd like. While you're there, you'll find that this man got his PhD at a place called "Patriot University," which, research on that shows it to be a split-level house in Utah. Something people in academia refer to as a "Diploma Mill," for they just crank 'em out. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 376/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| You don't have to believe it if you don't want to but you'll never be able to explain where everything came from had it not been from a higher power. Something or someone HAD to create the universe. It couldn't have come from nothing. No matter how far back you trace it, the only explanation is that someone had to start it. And that, is science working against you. It's funny that most people will believe theories and hypothesis that have only been around for a hundred years or so, but they turn their face from a word that has been written for thousands of years and the story hasn't changed from it's base form since it was first written.... not only is it written, but there's proof of almost every story that lies within it. You don't have to feel sorry for us. We're just fine. Fear is the atheists ultimate downfall. And I hope that one day, you'll lose your fear and open up your eyes. I'm sure you will someday so I'm not too worried about it. Everyone has their time. |
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Usam Red Paragoomba Level: 13 Posts: 39/54 EXP: 9699 For next: 568 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 544 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by Definitely NOT Legion Hinduism has been around for even longer, does this make it more right? Becasue it's been around for a longer time then the Old Testament? As for me, Science. It may not solve everything, but why should I believe in what the Bible says? To me, it doesn't state the facts as they were any better then any other story. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 66/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yea, what the hell.. I don't know where the universe comes from, true... "someone or something", perhaps. Hence why I'm agnostic. But there's no logical reason to jump from "I dunno why" to "It's a scary Cloud Man's fault". And like Usam said, Hindu texts have been around thousands of years as well that are still followed... I think the original chapters of the Bible may be older, but how can you say the story hasn't "changed from its base form"? Maybe there aren't any fundamental changes people threw in (that I know of), but the Old Testament was created over a period of ~1500 years, continually being revised (the Yahwhic, Elohic, etc. sources) and the New Testament was only really codified several hundred years A.D. by a bunch of priests who got to decide what's in and what's out. That's why you don't see the Apocrypha, or the Gospel of Thomas, etc... usually. If the Orthodox Bible differs from the Catholic / Protestant ones, does that mean the "story has been changed"? There are different versions of the Bible. The Mormon Bible is "a different version of the Bible". The Qu'Ran is a "different version of the Bible", etc. (edited by hhallahh on 04-11-04 06:42 PM) |
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SnowTomato Goomba Level: 9  Posts: 7/21 EXP: 2296 For next: 866 Since: 04-11-04 From: NYC Since last post: 508 days Last activity: 339 days |
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Originally posted by Definitely NOT Legion You mean kind of like how we look at ancient Greek mythology and their religion and are dumbfounded at how people actually beleived it at one point? It all depends on the individual and what that person beleives and is particular to. I don't beleive that the bible was meant to be taken literally. I've combined science with religion to try to make sense out of it. Like.. "And then there was light".. all of a sudden, the big bang.. a huge burst of light. And things like that I've applied to the bible. Whether I beleive it is another issue.. but it's beginning to make sense. |
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