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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 984/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Possessed, I was saying I agree with what was debated. Like Ziff said, there were plenty of other options, America just had to flex it's muscles without thinking. They could have done a naval blockade to starve the Japanese, which was successful in previous warfare, but they refused to try settling things peacefully. They were scared of losing men in battle so they took the easy way out. It doesn't matter if the whole of Japanese army is killed and towns full of innocent people were destroyed. Yeah. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 4730/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| The bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima is something I think about a lot. Sure it saved a bunch of lives, but those lives were the lives of soliders. People who willingly sign up for the sole reason to kill and to be killed, for whichever country they serve. An insane amount of women, children, and men not in any military died in those two bombings. And those who didn't die suffered an even worse fate, to slowly wither away in pain and agony from radiation poisoning. I'm familiar with the term "collateral damage". I use it all the time when talking about the war in Iraq. But even I wont use it here because it's beyond ludicrous to even try. I never heard of the original conditional surrender either, but does that really matter? Even IF they didn't offer it, it still wouldn't have been right. No matter which way you slice it, I can't see any logical justification for using them in the first place. It was grossly horrendous. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4649/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| The people who I know feel the worst about it are the scientists. I have a book on Oppenheimer and the others. Two of the minor scientists took their lives after seeing what they made. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4731/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Ziff And who could blame them, really? |
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Danielle Local Moderator Level: 76 Posts: 985/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I don't think they designed it thinking it would be used. They were effective threats, until it was taken too far. The scientists fought it being used, but what could they do, honestly. Weren't they blamed for the destruction because they built the weapons? |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 10586/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Danielle No shit. USA's goverment: We might lose many men so let |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 2969/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Trapster |
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Sukasa Boomboom Error 349857348734534: The system experienced an error. Level: 57  Posts: 1325/1981 EXP: 1446921 For next: 39007 Since: 02-06-05 From: *Shrug* Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I see the Atomic bomb as simply a force of destruciton. Sure, nuclear power is clean, semi-safe, and doesn't pollute too much, but when used to harm innocent civilians who's l\only crime was to be japanese, then there is a problem. Frankly, having Nukes is only going to cause problems, not solve them. Irradiation leaves behind nasty side effects too. | |||
neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 3574/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Trapster |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4661/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| It wasn't even that. It was the feverent will of the Japanese citizenry that led them to dropping the most terrible weapons ever devised on the Japanese. Mind you, the Japanese were probably more brutal than anyone else in WW2. Hell, they were simply evil. But it still doesn't justify using nuclear weapons... |
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Possessed Metal axe Level: 17  Posts: 124/161 EXP: 22987 For next: 1756 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 100 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| Of course it does. Does anyone remember the draft? Any one here, male of course, over the age of 18 would probably be over in the trenches fighting these Japanese. Or in an open topped boat heading to a beach already littered with the blood and bodies of other American soldiers. I'll say it right out, even if I am the only one who believes it, it was no mistake. Some here have said it was flexing US muscles. No flexing US muscles would have been the testing, this was a full out one hit KO aimed directly at Japan. It was a decision not easily made. But any one who has done research on it can tell you that it was the best US based tactical option currently available. And that is my opinion... yeah |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4663/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Hiroshima was enough. Nagasaki was over-kill. I don't need to remember the draft, I (had) my great-great uncle who could tell me what great hosts the Japanese in Hong Kong were. |
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Possessed Metal axe Level: 17 Posts: 125/161 EXP: 22987 For next: 1756 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 100 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| Thank you, atleast you half way agree with what I was saying...or a third. Hope you great great uncle is doing okay though. You know like no post war stress. It was a while ago but that kind of stuff doesn't go away. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4664/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I'm never able to justify violence. Hiroshima was enough from a militaristic stand-point, but the Japanese not only offered a conditional surrender, they also were casting out diplomatic lines to EVERYONE. He died in the mid-90s. |
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Possessed Metal axe Level: 17 Posts: 126/161 EXP: 22987 For next: 1756 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 100 days Last activity: 94 days |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 10596/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Ziff Yeah, I know that no one can win in a war but we can |
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Place Level: 12 Posts: 41/75 EXP: 7186 For next: 735 Since: 07-03-05 From: New Song Street Since last post: 58 days Last activity: 58 days |
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| I think you just need to remember that Possessed chose his moniker very accurately to represent his lust for violence and destruction and, hence being relieved of responsibility of any rational mental faculties (though attempting to convey that he is fully in charge of them, given how such forward interests are looked down on in our society), he is not really worth paying attention to. For reasons of relevance. (edited by Place on 07-19-05 08:51 PM) (edited by Place on 07-19-05 08:52 PM) |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 288/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Possessed The atomic bomb got dropped because the U.S. government wouldn't accept anything less than unconditional surrender from the Japanese. I find that disgusting, personally. |
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Cornellius Buster Beetle Level: 33  Posts: 305/460 EXP: 224182 For next: 4997 Since: 06-04-04 From: Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 10 hours |
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| I've read somewhere that Einstein, when on his dead bed, asking to stop the use of nuclear at all cost, and that he regrets his invention, before he went away | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4698/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Cornellius "I wish I could burn the hand that wrote that letter" |
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